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Sharia Law in the UK? Too Much Muslim Immigration?

What are your thoughts about this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKEd6rzbeg

I am thinking that the Mexican illegals (Catholic mostly) are not so bad after all.

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So what you are telling me is

So what you are telling me is that people of Alabama have become poorer. The prices of goods and services have gone up (or will go up.) There will be fewer goods and services produced in the state. That can only mean that fewer goods and services will be consumed in the state. That is the definition of poorer. Competition for jobs has been partially monopolized. A special interest cartel of residents has succeeded in outlawing their competition, driving up the price of labor and increasing the prices of many goods and services. Sure, the few people who get hired as a result of these changes will benefit, but they along with everyone else will suffer the consequences of higher prices. It is a sad time for Alabama.

Well, if we try to look at it from that persepctive,

then why don't we convince Latin American countries to send us 100,000 of their people so we can suppress wages and thereby suppress prices. Tens of millions of Americans would be put out of work until the market can adjust, and even then, there would be a much higher level of native unemployment than immigrant unemployment, but at least things would be cheaper. It's true, that the price of poultry and fruit most likely has risen slightly or will rise, but, you're ignoring the fact that the native workers that now work for more money than the illegals have more purchasing power than the illegals did and can create more demand for goods and services, thereby creating more jobs and driving the prices of other goods and services down. Not to mention the fact that they're not sending a lot of their money back to a foreign country, but rather spending 100% of it in Alabama. Plus, most of the jobs that transferred over to American hands were minimum wage jobs or just slightly over minimum wage jobs, so it's not like the employers were going from paying below minimum wage to union salaries.

Tens of millions would be put

Tens of millions would be put out of work if 100,000 immigrants arrive? I am sure you didn't mean to write that. I don't think there is convincing evidence to support your claims. You are just making up numbers. The facts and opinions of experts who have studied the issue tell a different story.

A fact-check article (http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/does-immigration-cost-jobs/) contains the following quote:
"In the ongoing debate on immigration, there is broad agreement among academic economists that it has a small but positive impact on the wages of native-born workers overall: although new immigrant workers add to the labor supply, they also consume goods and services, which creates more jobs …"

Here is a podcast from Econtalk on the subject of immigration which deals with many of your claims and provides counter-arguments. By the way, I highly recommend Econtalk. I listen almost every week and many aspects of economics and particularly free market economics are discussed in an entertaining format. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ_1ckwrwHE

I meant to write 100,000,000.

If increased immigration helps the economy, then we should not only open our borders to anyone and everyone who wants to come here, but, we should try and get people in the third world to move here as fast as they can and bring the cousins with them.

Apparently we have 5 bleeding-hearts

somewhere around here who lack a good sense of humor.

Sharia law is a taboo word.

It evoke emotions of fear and hatred in the fearful and hateful.

But who has dared to see what it means in fact and through history?

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http://www.dailypaul.com/159529/the-commercial-heritage-and-...

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historical perspective required--

few British today would believe that several generations ago their ancestors truly believed that anyone who was not a Christian would 'go to hell'--

and, therefore, invested heavily in the Church of England's ventures in foreign 'missions'.

This young woman does not understand the changing of cultures. Because most British today are very secular. 100 years ago a British minister of religion could have said such a thing to a 'heathen' and gotten away with it. Yet, she is 'shocked' and saddened.

She needs to read her history.

Most 'white' British have chosen not to have as many children as the Muslims do.

So, who is surprised when the Muslims outnumber the 'native' British?

It's very simple, really. It's not about hate, as she might imagine. But *we* who watch this are supposed to be appalled with her about Muslims.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Really?

"It's very simple, really. It's not about hate, as she might imagine. But *we* who watch this are supposed to be appalled with her about Muslims."

Really?

So, are you trying to tell me that you are not going to be appalled when a muslim girl in school will call your daughter a slut or bitch because she is not wearing a headscarf or showing off too much skin?

um . . .

my children didn't attend public school (we homescooled them), and yes we have daughters. Our daughters do dress modestly by American standards.
And the Muslims that we have met are kind, civil people.

This woman in the video was responding to the woman who approached her in a strident, forceful way--

the Muslim woman was participating in a legal protest.

I am not afraid of Muslims or Islam. I see that you are, and I am sorry.

Non-Muslims have said unkind things to my daughters in places away from school; in fact, there was at least on 'popular' girl in our church who bullied (even physically) one of my daughters relentlessly. Another bullied her socially and was verbally abusive to her. Shame for your argument she/they was/were "Christian", not Muslim--!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

What about the people that beat a muslim women to death in LA?

What about the people that beat a muslim women to death in LA with a tire iron?

Sheez.

Sticks and stone will break my bones but words will never hurt me.

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What about it? Do you know

What about it? Do you know who beat her?

Found it.

"On Wednesday, in the quiet San Diego suburb of El Cajon, California, the teenage daughter of Shaima Alawadi returned home to find her mother drowning in a pool of blood. There were signs of forced entry at the back of the house. Someone had broken in and beaten her mother nearly to death with a tire iron.

Next to her body was a note: “Go back to your own country, you terrorist.”

A similar note had been found tacked to the family’s door a few weeks earlier, but Shaima had dismissed it as a kid’s prank."

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/03/25/on-the-death-o...

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You must be really naive.

You must be really naive. Someone kills this woman because she is Muslim and says "oh btw it is a hate crime". There is no proof that she was killed because of her religion.

She was very likely the victim of a honor killing committed by someone related to her, just like that Muslim father in Canada who drowned his 3 daughters because they had become too westernized. How would a stranger know that she was at home at that time?

If you really like the Muslim culture and religion so much, can you tell me in which Muslim country would you be comfortable living and raising a family?

Read the whole article. This is not an isolated incident.

Your are so full of crap. Plonk

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Hey Genius, here is the

Hey Genius, here is the article that confirms what I said yesterday. http://news.yahoo.com/murder-iraqi-american-woman-may-not-ha....

I also forgot to mention that

I also forgot to mention that I had already read the article on Yahoo and the chief police officer mentioned that they had never had such issues before despite having an Iraqi community of 20,000 people.

Why don't you answer my

Why don't you answer my question? In which Muslim country would you be comfortable living and raising a family?

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My son...

Spent much of his youth being raised in Saudi Arabia. He loved it, and he actually would like to move back.

From the stories I have heard, it was a much safer, and nurturing environment than most US locations.

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member of 19 hours--

I don't usually care about how long a person is a member, but this is quite obvious.

You have not participated in other discussions. United Arab Emirates. We tried to get a job there once, and we had close American friends who lived there and loved it.

So--

you seem very bitter towards a religion. There are crazed people who kill their children too much of the time; not all are Muslims.

I hope you can work out your collectivist anger. It's all right to be angry towards anyone who is violent towards anyone else, but to state that one religion has a monopoly on it is not being reasonable.

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pathetic

Malaysia for one. You ARE the reason people think libertarians are racist. You know that right?

For a liberal egalitarian to think

I'm racist is something I consider a badge of honor. I have my doubts and suspicions about any libertarian or Conservative who isn't considered racist by Progressive egalitarians.

Yes, but

Christians don't try to establish Sharia law. A truly Christian country would be where everyone is free.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

Christian laws

Christians DO frequently pass Christian laws. Please do explain how they make us "free." Examples:

Victimless "crime" laws, outlawing "sinful behavior." (These differ from the worst aspects of Sharia law -- how?)
Blue laws
Marriage laws limiting number & gender of spouses.
Public "indecency" laws.

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The true Christian country.

Since there has never been any "true" Christian country that is still a hypothetical.

The history of "Christendom", mainly Christian Europe and their colonies, was not a very good advertisement of Christian freedom. There is no doubt that the teachings of Jesus Christ lead to freedom but not as a political construct. Jesus said "My Kingdom is not of this world."

His mission and teaching are spiritual and are aimed directly at individual liberation from the tyranny of sin and the carnal mind by His Spirit. The practice of the Christian faith through the leading of the Holy Spirit brings one to the purpose of one's life, the complete change into the New Man. His purpose has been distorted and harnessed to the ambitions of men for their own political purposes as was inevitable since the spiritual power has been lacking. Pentecost is a leavened feast.

Islam is an analogue of Christendom which is why many Christians fear it. It was raised up by God because Christendom had sunk into idolatry and was swept away in many parts of the world. Those that remained often became more pious. In other words it was a judgement of God upon the Church. The Reformation was similarly a judgement on the Roman church that led to a small opening of the collective Christian mind but it later fell back into apostasy as it did not possess the spiritual power to carry on. This also happened inevitably to the Great Awakening, the Pentecostal revivals and the Latter Rain movement. This is where it rests today, in apostasy.

In order to understand what is really going on, i.e. the meaning of life on Earth, the history of the world must be viewed from the vantage point of God's Plan of the Ages which at present is to bring forth a royal priesthood, a holy nation for Himself through whom He will restore His entire creation. Every single event in our lives is ordered by God for His purposes and that is what the Christian believer is called upon to discern in their own life as they submit to the will of God. This applies at this time only to individuals but the time is at hand when the nations will become the objects of His purpose and then we shall indeed see the formation of the true Christian country, the Kingdom of God.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

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Of course...

Because Christians are so tolerant of things like gay marriage, prostitution, drug use, gluttony, fornication, etc etc etc...

I could go on for days about the things that are not crimes and are victimless that Christians would outlaw, and have outlawed as sinful.

Sharia law is no different than fundamentalist Christian. And you are free to believe and practice as you like, just stay out of the law books (that is to both Sharia and Christian alike) and we will get along just fine.

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To call all of those things "victimless crimes" is just sad.

How could you possibly think there is no victim in drug abuse?

While it could be argued

that the family of an addict are victims, I think that what wolfe was getting at (and I may be wrong since only s/he knows what s/he meant) is that addicts aren't causing another physical harm or otherwise using force simply for being addicts. They're harming themselves, sure, but that's their right and their choice.

Take me for example. I smoke Marijuana every once in a while. Am I really hurting anybody by doing that? Heck, even if I did heroin (which I would NEVER do), I wouldn't be harming anyone but myself.

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Yep...

That is part of what I am talking about... It was actually funny for two reasons...

The first, I said drug use, not abuse... :) And it was funny how from his perspective all drug use equates to drug abuse. Which is like saying all drinking is alcoholism.

And of course, second, which is the point that you just made. What I choose to do to my own body, is what I do to my own body. The family can't claim to be victims unless they are stolen from, hurt, etc, which then you have the victim based crime to deal with and don't need to care that the person was loaded.

Those two things combined, I thought, made his comment illustrate my point perfectly about the Christian world view... :)

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And the family is much more

And the family is much more likely to be hurt when drug use is illegal due to incarceration and high drug prices. It is amazing to me that people talk about the victims of drug "abuse" and most of the damage is done by the laws they advocate.

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bingo...

This was a great clip on the subject...

http://www.dailypaul.com/224660/thank-you-war-on-drugsmexica...

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