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Israelis Are Not Jews and American Leaders Are Not Christian

A very interesting speech by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrWguVsEih0&context=C45b2721A...

Dr. Paul is 100% correct on foreign policy. We just need to leave other countries alone.

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I say who is Jewish, not

I say who is Jewish, not Ahmadinejad.

Ruling class is more like pirate mobster shape shifters

The greed and morality of pirates

The loyalty of a mob family

Will become whatever the latest political fad is, hijacking any movement against it

We can't have foriegn leaders running around telling

the truth like this. We must bomb them into submission now.

Maybe not. :)

im confused...

What does sympathy for the Iranian regime and Ahmadinejad have anything to do with non-interventionism? I certainly have no problem with the Iranian people, nor do I believe the United States should be meddling in the affairs of other nations.

However, I have repeatedly seen posts on DP (like this one) that sympathize with a corrupt, fascist, pseudo-religious regime that engages in some of the most horrific human rights violations in the world. Suppression of democracy, persecution of religious and political minorities, summary executions (of children sometimes!), torture, false imprisonment, etc characterize the iranian government's treatment of its own citizens. As a libertarian I oppose this sort of rule whether its here in the United States or anywhere else in the world. Ahmadinejad and his ilk are not only responsible for oppression of the Iranian people but also lend aid to the Syrian tyrants in their war against their own people.

For those of you who read the DP regularly and see these sort of posts; they are NOT representative of the views of the Iranian people. Most Iranians long for a change in their government and are highly critical of Ahmadinejad and his cohorts.

I often wonder if these sort of posts posts are made by Iranian agents who want us to believe that their heinous, primitive, unelected government somehow represents the people of Iran.

Bottom line - I wish the United States would leave other nations alone; even ones like Iran that are cursed with terrible rulers. That being said, it sickens me to see you quote Ahmadinejad and treat his statements as factual or noteworthy in any way.

Excellent description

of the current United States gov't.
"a corrupt, fascist, pseudo-religious regime that engages in some of the most horrific human rights violations in the world. Suppression of democracy, persecution of religious and political minorities, summary executions (of children sometimes!), torture, false imprisonment, etc "

Let's the the plank out of our own eye, and leave the countries that Israel wants to attack alone.

In fairness

I think Paulbot was drawing a correlation. Nevertheless, a very apt description indeed.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Even a cursory glance at Anna4RonPaul's posting history

should quickly dispel any notions of Iranian agency, the very suggestion smacks of paranoia. Moreover, I think you have confused empathy with the Iranian people as sympathy for the Iranian government.

Ahmadinejad is merely the front man for a theocratic regime, he has very little real power. The man who holds the reigns of power in Iran is the aptly titled Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.

With full knowledge of the true structure of Iranian leadership, western leaders in their thirst for war have elevated Ahmadinejad to the status of a modern day Hitler, often misquoting his actual remarks and frequently removing others from their context. While the veracity of Ahmadinejads hyperbolic rhetoric may be in question, his noteworthiness as a figure on the world stage is not. In our quest for understanding of current events, paying close attention to men like Ahmadinejad is essential, should we choose to dismiss him entirely, we do so at our own peril.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Not much to argue with there,

providing of course it's an accurate translation. His 2011 address at the U.N. was very interesting as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EBgqgIWuoc&feature=fvsr

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

The video was uploaded June 15 2007.

It was translated by MEMRI, The Middle East Media Research Institute. This is a Jewish organisation that is likely an arm of the Israeli intelligence community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Inst...

It would appear that the primary purpose of the video is contained in the translation of the last minute or so in relation to the Iranian nuclear programme. The first four minutes is used to set the character of Ahmadinejad as a crazy extremist who believes outlandish lies about the West and its intentions. The target audience is the average Fox News viewer.

The nuclear programme is described as being "industrial" but there is one part of the translation that places the word "enrichment" in parenthesis and therefore leaves one with the impression that the Iranians are defiantly enriching uranium with the implied purpose of developing a nuclear weapon.

This is how by small increments certain ideas are implanted in the public consciousness. Of course one would have to listen to the speech with the ears of a normal citizen of the West. i.e One who has been thoroughly conditioned to see Ahmadinejad as crazy and then all of his assertions about the Western powers would seem to be confirmation of this fact. That he is perfectly accurate in his descriptions for anyone who is familiar with the Western global strategy would be lost on the normal citizen. It is not aimed at someone who is awake.

My conclusion therefore is that this is a propaganda piece that was part of the general conditioning of the Western mind to see the Iranian leadership as unhinged and determined to continue their programme of nuclear enrichment towards acquisition of a nuclear weapon. This would then be used by the Iranians to wipe out Israel and to raise a mushroom cloud over some American city (a very versatile and powerful nuclear device). This is what has been reiterated by every Presidential candidate except Dr. Paul and this video could be used by someone like Santorum to prove the opposite of what the OP believes it shows.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Just goes to show you

I must be a kook to believe that stuff. I so wanted to be normal just once!

Thank you for posting

good speech - he tells how it is...

Why would you post that cr*p here?

And what does it have to do with electing Ron Paul?

I'd say you're an op. EXPOSED.

You obviously did not take the time to watch the video

It has to do with Ron Paul's foreign policy and the current situation with Iran.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

that was

interesting

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“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien