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FREE Irwin Schiff!

Let's start a movement.
T-Shirts, brochures, bumber stickers etc.
This man should not be in prison.
Perhaps he should be running for president - again.

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Sam Beckett on the side of tyranny

Sam, you need to know first and foremost that the taking of the fruits of ones labor one time is theft and if it is perpetual than it is slavery.

Like all the brain dead sheeple you have swallowed the crap that there is a law that authorizes slavery. You obviously have not read the book The Law by Bastiat.

Calling heroes like Irwin Schiff whiners degrades you tyrant status as you do their bidding.

You go on with your arrogant self and find me the law that imposes an obligation on me to give up the fruits of my labor to your master.

Mike Benoit, author of Tyranny Busters, The Sham and Shame of the Federal Income tax.

Also, you have no clue about "the law"

Explain to me how you become liable for the tax if "it's the law"

The 16th amendment is a moot point. All it did was to confirm Congress' taxing power concerning income tax as an indirect excise tax! That's it. How does that make it what you apparently think it is which is "a tax on anyone who makes money anywhere here in the US". You are way off base.

If you actually read the law, you will notice it doesn't say what you think it says...

Income Tax is an INDIRECT tax. It is NOT a direct tax as others here have suggested. 2 US Supreme Court Cases in 1916 settled this very question. They are:

BRUSHABER v. UNION PACIFIC R. CO., 240 U.S. 1 (1916)

AND

STANTON v. BALTIC MINING CO, 240 U.S. 103 (1916)

The Court said specifically in the Stanton case the following:

" it manifestly disregards the fact that by the previous ruling it was settled that the provisions of the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation, but simply prohibited the previous complete and plenary power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged, "

I do not know why others on this board have posted false information as to the nature of the tax. The question they should be asking is, "if the income tax is an indirect tax, how and why am I paying it?" And this is because income taxation on "an Average human being, living and working in the private sector, earning his own living, which includes making his own money, in any one of the 50 States of this Union", DOSE NOT SHOW UP as liable for the tax in the law! That's because the law is written to SHOW that it is indeed an indirect tax related to mostly foreign commerce! That's it.

And that brings us to another topic of what the LAW actually says. Most tax professionals do NOT read the law to determine who is liable for the tax. Most tax professionals read IRS publications and just ASSUME anyone who makes money now owes an Income Tax.

IRS Publications are sort of like "New Letters" put out by the IRS to the tax industry, including mostly ALL CPA's and Tax "Professionals". The IRS has a manual available on their website which any one can go read. Here's what THEIR OWN manual says about their own publications:

4.10.7.2.8 (01-01-2006)
IRS Publications

"IRS Publications explain the law in plain language for taxpayers and their advisors. They typically highlight changes in the law, provide examples illustrating Service positions, and include worksheets. Publications are nonbinding on the Service and do not necessarily cover all positions for a given issue. While a good source of general information, publications should not be cited to sustain a position."

So there you have it. Publications are NOT to be cited to sustain positions about the LAW even though that is what all tax professionals do anyway.

So hopefully this has gotten you on the proper path to actually understanding what the "Income Tax" actually is and especially what it ISN'T!

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!

Income Tax Shattering the Myths by Dave Champion!!!!

Income Tax Shattering the Myths by Dave Champion!!!! YOU MUST READ THIS BOOK.

www.incometaxtruth.com

I say this time and time again... MOST people have nothing to do with the Income Tax just like most people have nothing to do with the Liquor Tax!

I'll SCREAM THIS FROM THE ROOF TOPS.

The Income Tax is an excise tax. In fact, the phrase income tax is a poor name to describe the tax. It gives the WRONG impression about what the tax is actually on.

Granted, Irwin went about it the wrong way, but never the less, he was never the subject of the tax! And the Government knows it. An innocent man is in prison for no other reason than political reasons!

LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TAX! LIVE THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TAX!

And to one of the other posters, Yes, you do have jury trials in income tax cases. It's just jurors have no idea about what the law actually says about who is liable and when.

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!

The problem is this: I don't think you get a jury trial....

...in federal income tax cases.

In which case the people never have a chance to find you not guilty which costs the government a ton and if enough cases go that way it can lead to changes in laws.

Please correct me if I'm wrong about this.

If so, I can't wait for the day I am on a jury for an income tax evasion trial.

On principle the person gets a not guilty verdict from me - no matter what.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

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"On principle the person gets a not guilty verdict from me ...

... no matter what."

Count me in, too.

Well, DUH : that's the person own's EARNED money at stake, there.

Can't people JUST GET THAT SIMPLE CONCEPT ?

I like the idea I'd happen to see my reflection from the mirror some time, and NOT tell myself I just looked at A THIEF.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Remember Edward and Elaine Brown?

It would be nice to get all of these folks out of this mess they are in..I like Kent Hovind too. Its really sad.

Yes...

Free Irwin Schiff! And others like him. Tax time always brings to my mind thoughts of Ed and Elaine Brown. ~Sad~

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Tiime to free him..

I still have copies of his "Schiff reports" and books.
Brave man. He took it on the chin, but he needs to be set free.

"No army can stop an idea whose time has come"

Yes, free Irwin!

and while were at it, free Pete Hendrickson, author of Cracking the code; the amazing truth about the income tax who is a guest of the federal guvnmint in a prison in Milan, MI for exposing the fraud that is the misapplication of the federal income tax. No evidence what so ever was ever presented at his trial just a kept jury who would convict the proverbial ham sandwich given the opportunity and a corrupt sorry excuse for a judge! 36 months for laying bare the lie that is the income tax.

Pete Hendrickson - Another Innocent Incarcerated

Indeed! Pete is a fine man with a good mind and an inviolate spirit. He is another man denied a real court because he is right and innocent of the charges brought against him. Only the actually guilty and properly charged are allowed a defense. The innocent do not get real trials, that is constitutionally protected and guaranteed due process of LAW. The innocent are made unwilling actors in a staged production show. My prayers and best wishes go out to Pete and to all of the rest whether still incarcerated or whether still struggling to conform and transition back into the community after having lost their freedom, to such degree that freedom actually exists, and having lost everything they ever worked for before their charging instruments arrived. Thank you for mentioning Pete. There are SO MANY more.

This is a great idea. Irwin

This is a great idea. Irwin Schiff should be free, spending time with his family. Think of all the good he would do in the world - maybe that is why they want to keep him locked down. It is unbearable to consider how upside down things are when good people are made out to be criminals for nothing or victimless crimes and rot in jail while the real criminals in government and Wall Street remain free, living the fine life at the public's expense. Who are the real criminals? The ones who's actions lead to the death, maiming and displacement of millions of people, the ones who bilk the public and investors out of billions of dollars, or the person who doesn't believe in taxes and harms no one?

Irwin Isn't Rotting....

Thank you, Victoria, for your input, your reasoned thoughts. People like Irwin do not rot in prison. The captured innocents in prison do the time proudly standing strong - even stronger in prison than they did in the so-called free world of living.

True, he is missing his family. He is missing the precious development of his children and grandchildren. Irwin loves his family very much. They are his greatest source of pride and the potential for their future opportunities is his greatest source of resolve and purpose. This being true, he sees his punishment for standing strong on his cause for an industrialized producing nation as his support of them.

He knows he is not a criminal. His captors know he is not a criminal. His custodians know he is not a criminal. (Several of the officers and administrators at the Federal Prison Camp in Phoenix where I was imprisoned confided in me that they knew I was a political prisoner and that they were silently hoping we would eventually win our cases.) Irwin should be set free because it is the rightest thing to do now. He should be allowed the opportunity to hold the people he loves with his arms as well as with his heart and with his good work.

I enjoy seeing his sons and reading their writings

Their insights are also thought provoking.

Free includes debt-free!

A great recent Schiff clip

I just heard a really good debate between Peter Schiff and anarcho-capitalist Stefan Molyneux, on Peter's radio show. For once, Peter meets a guy who likes government even less than he does. Fun and interesting.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Irwin's Sons

Peter and Andrew are brilliant! I absolutely agree! Their books and speech will, too, encourage many minds to charter a new course in a reality based economics. These two young men represent my strongest proof that Irwin Schiff cannot be broken - for a chain of thinkers are already in place.

Irwin Schiff is in prison for a good reason.

He's an honest man who doesn't believe in paying extortion to thieves and murderers. Naturally, the thieves and murderers can't let him get away with that. Sets a bad example for all their other slaves.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Roger that...

Totally agree.... the plantation needs to be maintained by the slave OWNERS

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!

Cyril's picture

+1. That pretty much sums it up

Just a bit of broader context, though:

The truly formidable thing that never ceased to keep me in awe:

this unbelievable submission and short memory from entire nations' People to this disgusting theft.

That very same kind of theft that the French and American revolutions precisely wanted to abolish once for all, after the Kings and other tyrans, along with their servile corrupt nobility minions!

I mean, come on!

How was it even possible the Republics' people could EVER accept all over again the same thing!

Oh wait... STOOPID ME:

make first believe the idiotic crowds that the welfare state is good enough of an excuse for that...

Ok, so I'm not in awe anymore then: just the usual, carelessness before the Evil forces and short memory, repeating over and over again. And the imbeciles and vulgar always speaking louder than the wise.

In short:

MANKIND HISTORY.

Like someone I forgot said:

"I actually prefer evil people to idiots, for the evil people do take some rest, some times."

SO TRUE.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Government stupid strikes again.

He doesn't capitulate to extortion, so the taxes of two others are needed to pay for his incarceration. (As a PR ploy to scare the like-minded.)

Free includes debt-free!

Not stupid. Pure evil.

Since government produces nothing, a little more oppression of those who do, likewise costs them nothing. They aren't paying to keep Schiff in prison. We are.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Well I sure don't want to be paying his room and board.

But I do wish him good health.

Free includes debt-free!

Bump for Freedom of Irwin Schiff!!!!!

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"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant

Cyril's picture

My thoughts go to men like him of all times who didn't fear

... to break the law that they sincerely found INJUST.

If one asks me : yes, I am thus A COWARD, there, by paying income taxes for 17 years. My sole excuse : I wouldn't be able to sustain my family, alone and from prison.

:(

So...

To bring some warmth and lighter mood, I'm going to quote a French satirist I like, alluding to THEFT against the People by The State (my own translation) :

"Well, of the course you've got to steal from the poors !

Sure, granted, they don't have much money, ever, or if at all.

But again, they are already so numerous to steal from, and the sweet spot is :

when you are The State, you can always make many more of them poors, when you need !"

Alphonse Allais, 19th century French writer and humorist (sarcasm specialty)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Your Thoughts...

Dear Lysiandad,
You are no coward - for you are here, and, you are standing tall for your personal causes. Irwin and the others who asked the questions and pressed for truthful answers would not want you to put yourself in harm's way. He always said that. Please stay safe.
May I share with you a quote that I had displayed on my bulletin board in my prison cell for 5 years? It helped me very much and it may help you to understand the passion and determination that Irwin and many of us others share:

"Open wide the prison gates and we must enter them as the bridegroom enters the bridal chambers. Peace, justice, and freedom are to be won only inside prison walls and sometimes on Gallows, never in council chambers, courts, or in the schoolroom." - Gandhi

Cyril's picture

LOL, have no worries, you just can't be more LAW ABIDING than me

(... well, so far anyway... But who knows with the new tyrans we have now...)

Yeah, law abiding:

coz you don't know MY WIFE !

;)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Peter, Tell Pops To Hang In There...When Ron Becomes POTUS

Pops gets out...

Lets do it for all the injustice done to the great patriots incarcerated for liberty..

Yup, can't imagine

anyone would be a better choice for PRESIDENT Paul's 1st act of pardon, than Peter's father, Irwin.

And bet ya he WOULDN'T wait till the end of his first term to pardon him, either, unlike the Wall St. Bankster puppet Bill Clinton who pardoned Rich, right at the end of his term to 'avoid any political fallout.'

Nope, Dr. Paul would pardon Irwin, post-haste, as it would be the RIGHT thing to do!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Yeah, if enough people wear

Yeah, if enough people wear t-shirts, the court will let him go free.... how about spending soem time running for local, state or federal office and then change things from within?

I know you guys mean well, but seriously, the court is NOT gonna free Irwin. I heard the trial, and he was not railroaded. His legal argument was wrong and so was his procedural, but EVEN if he was right, no court will say he was right, so it was an exercise in futility..

In fact, no court is gonna agree with any of the arguments against the IRS and taxes, and thus reverse the whole system for 99 years..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Bash me if you want Middleton - THE IDEA is to EDUCATE. GET IT?

I didn't see YOU saying ANYTHING about freeing this man.

All you can do is BASH ME for POSTING IT in the first place.

So sorry to OFFEND you.

Why don't you head on over to the Huff Post where you might find things more to your liking?

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

T-Shirts won't do any good....

They want him in there for one thing:

To prove they can BREAK him, and get him to serve them.