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9/11: A Conspiracy Theory*

James Corbett has really outdone himself with this one.... PRICELESS...!!!

http://youtu.be/yuC_4mGTs98

Found at:
http://moridinskeep.blogs...

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* Note:

This thread was originally titled, 'OMG - See The PTB Get Their *ss Handed to Them' but the editors here at the Daily Paul felt such a headline wouldn't be quite appropriate for the front page of this very dignified website. Additionally, the embedded YouTube video has been replaced to point back to the original James Corbett version - with over 1.25 million views - rather than the one found on the Mordin's Keep blog, which has a (relatively) paltry 57,000 views.

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Why doesn't Ron agree with you?

My main issue right now is that I feel like most of the truthers have the same lack of logic that most of the neocons and socialists we are usually talking about on this page have.
The neocons and socialists just can't seem to grasp how their candidates are lying to them, or how they are giving misinformation, or fallacy in their arguments.
We understand it because the libertarian stance is based on logic.
They don't understand it because their platforms are based on lies designed to keep the powerful in power.
Ron doesn't believe 9/11 was a conspiracy.
The current torch holder of our movement used his logical thinking brain and concluded that the US's crappy foreign policy is most likely the cause.
However, you all think Ron is either wrong or lying.
If he's lying, I don't want that kind of candidate.
If he's wrong, then he's only wrong because 9/11 is the dumbest most illogical plan the government ever came up with.
At least 95% of the "evidence" I've seen for 9/11 being an inside job is either misinformation, bad reporting, fallacy, or just a product of "Loose Change" trying to sell copies.
The other 5%, well, after 10 years of constantly finding holes in this conpsiracy, I'm just tired of giving any more time into easily disprovable "evidence".
Sorry if this comes as an insult, but you truthers just don't see the lack of logic in your arguments, just like the socialists and neocons are failing to see the lack of logic in theirs.
I see it, Ron see's it, and I really wonder why you guys think the DailyPaul, a sight dedicated to furthering the movement of which Ron is currently the leader, would be a logical place to continue trying to push those illogical beliefs on everyone.
Ron is not a liar.
Ron is a very logical man.
9/11 is the logical result of blowback, not some completely incongruent government plan.
If you think otherwise, then maybe you should rethink if Ron is really the right candidate for you.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

First of all, Loose Change

First of all, Loose Change has been made available by its creators to view for free (streaming and download) on countless websites. You know of any profiteers that release their expensively produced content for free? Uh, huh.

Dr. Paul is prudent in his stance on 911, by only advocating for a new investigation, and pointing to the expansive and growing list of questions from the victims' families themselves, among many other eye-witnesses, scientists and experts. He is not lying, nor is he wrong. Get it?! It would be political suicide for him to come out as a full-blown "truther". Academics, scientists, business magnates, etc., get fired for such an overt stance. Author's and historians lose publishing deals and commissions for it, despite their impressive resumes and exhaustive credibility. Military officers and intelligence agents are disciplined, and even 'silenced' for having the courage to blow the whistle. Dr. Paul is probably the greatest champion of the cause of Liberty in the modern era, and I bet he knows how important he is. He can only continue his work (injecting the idea of freedom into the mainstream and pop-culture), gain popularity (4,000 in MI, 5,200 in WI, 6,000+ in Chico, 7,800 in LA!), and fan the brushfire to finally consume the elite cartels that seek to Lord us into submission IF he is careful about his message. I applaud his conscientiousness and boundless courage. RP's already derided as a nutty conspiracy theorist for his stance on the Fed (and isn't it nice that he's being vindicated these days with the vast awakening of the masses to the TRUE conspiracy of central banking frauds? :). To my knowledge, RP has NEVER said that he is convinced of the official 911 fairy tale, er, i mean story. I suspect, that he calls for a new investigation because he is, like many individuals capable of critical thinking, of the rational, research-backed conviction that a rogue element within (or subsuming) the US gov't did in fact, at minimum, allow the attacks to happen. After all, and RP knows this better than many of his younger supporters, it wouldn't be the first time in history such a crime of such scale was carried out against the people of a first world Western nation.

Even his enemies know without a doubt RP has integrity, and they're afraid of that, because his complicit silence cannot be bought. Snakepit22, if you look deeper into the events leading up to the 'blowback', and the relationships involved, you will learn stark truths, innumerable points intrinsically connected that once seen as both the whole forest and each tree form the constellation of evils that prey on mankind and our earth. Keep digging, and meanwhile, keep spreading the message of individual freedom and supporting the good doctor.
"Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."

I admire your carefully thought out message. Well done.

Tis a mighty task to intertwine all you cover in such a succinct post.

Doctor Ron Paul has fine support with you helping others envision his message. Thank you.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Second of all...

...Loose Change was edited and re-released several times because it kept getting proven false. Plus, they used soundbites and unauthorized statments from "experts" and scientists who only gave partial testemony on various things, but the Loose Change folks edited it and took it out of context to make it seem like the experts believed that it was a conspiracy.
For instance, and expert who explains about how thermite can be used in explosives doesn't necessarily believe that finding it in the WTC wreckage. But if you get him on tape talking about thermite, and then someone else talking about how some was found in the rubble, then you all think that means that two different experts believe 9/11 was a conspiracy. Even though neither of them do, they are both just telling you answer to your questions, even though they don't believe the conspiracy, and they are just being truthful about their knowledge of thermite.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

did you read my entire

did you read my entire comment above? or only the first sentence about loose change? go back and take a look at the rest of my thoughts...

i don't have time for

i don't have time for debunking debunked minutae of various nonsensical elements in explanations from this theory or that about 911. I take RP's approach: gimme an honest, transparent, NEW investigation, and let's see what we learn. I'm sure it'll be eye-popping.

to briefly respond to your reply, Snakepit22, if Loose Change is such error-filled crap and inconsequential, then why have certain key witnesses (and their families!) in the film, and subsequent revisions of the film, disappeared and/or died? there's no need to silence blathering charlatans, they discredit themselves... unless they 'know too much.'

one more thing: building 7. explain this. NIST tried 7 times because each previous incarnation of their report on WTC 7 was exposed as insignificant, incomplete, and incorrect. when NIST's 7th report came out, they said 'fires' caused this skyscraper to crumble at free fall through the path of greatest resistence too. then they said at the end, NO MORE REPORTS, this is the last one. never mind that the previous six all differ greatly from each other as well as our seventh report. we're competent. this report is irrefutable. so, no more, k?

HA. you wanna give it a go? i'll listen, but I think you'll have trouble explaining why a BBC reporter that very fateful day reported that WTC 7 had collapsed within an hour PRIOR to its actual collapse... not to mention, WTC 7 can be clearly seen still standing in the background behind this reporter on TV... GO.

Wow, you seem to believe you

Wow, you seem to believe you know Ron Paul's mind better than anybody else. It makes you sound kinda nutty. Ron has never spoken harshly against 9/11 truth. Your characterization of his position sounds more like Sean Hannity's position. You talk a lot about logic, but demonstrate none of it in your post. It's all opinion and unsubstantiated claims. When asked if 9/11 should have a new investigation, Dr. Paul said he had too many other things on his plate to pursue it. That's a far cry from him definitively saying 9/11 wasn't an inside job, and anybody who believes that is kinda nuts, which you state is more less his position. If you want to convince people that your opinion is more accurate than theirs, you have to back it up. Saying "I'm right because my position is more logical than yours", isn't even an argument without proof. The evidence suggests we've been lied to, and the media cover-up of that evidence makes it pretty clear the establishment knows their story wouldn't hold water in the face of this evidence. Why would a logical person put any faith in a story that can't be substantiated, while at the same time saying any other idea is crazy? Sounds more like brainwashing to me. You might actually study logic before you start claiming you use it.

Hold up there champ.

Let me break down the logic argument for you.
If you are trying to prove guilt in a court of law, you can't simply say "Bob obviously didn't do it, so Joe obviously did".
That is illogical. Bert, or Sally, or Fred could have done it.
That is what you guys are doing.
You are trying to poke holes in the idea that Bob did it, and you are automatically jumping to the conclusion that Joe did it.
In a logical argument, and in a court of law, disproving the guilt of someone, doesn't prove the guilt of someone else.
That is where ya'lls lack of logic is occurring. You are continuing to question 9/11, which is fine, but when you don't get the answer which clearly implicates bin Laden, you automatically claim that it implicates Bush, or "the establishment".
In this case, there is plenty of motive for the 9/11 attacks which logically support the idea that ticked off middle easterners did it.
From your view, there is plenty of motive that the government did it.
What we now need is evidence.
Even if all the evidence showing the terrorists did it is faulty, you still have a rather large lack of evidence that the government did it as well.
According you your "logic", the government had a motive, and there are plenty of questions about how it actually happened. So to you, that means the government definately did it.
From my perspective, the terrorists had a motive and there are plenty of questions about how it actually happened, nothing is different.
So until those "questions" start being answered with actual physical evidence that ties the Government to the crime, then there is no more a case against the government than there is against the terrorists.
Every question you have about 9/11 needs and answer, but you just assume the answer which will eventually come out will implicate the government. You don't even consider that your questions may one day be answered and that those answers would support the idea that ticked of terrorists did it.
ex. 1 How did building 7 collapse? You don't know, so you assume the government did it.
ex. 2 Where is the wreckage of the plane in PA and in the Pentagon? You don't know, so you assume the government did it.
ex. 3 How did fire bring down the twin towers? You don't know so the government must have done it.
ex. 4 What were those lights over Phoenix 15 years ago? Nobody knows, so it must have been aliens.
ex. 5 How did the universe begin? Nobody knows, so God must exist.
Maybe you still don't see the lack of logic in these statements, and maybe you want to say "well those aren't my 9/11 arguments", but like I said before, 95% of 9/11 arguments have that same format. A question is asked, and if nobody has the answer right away, that must automatically mean the government did it.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

You lost me at "you

You lost me at "you automatically claim that it implicates Bush or the establishment". You proceed to present a viewpoint you claim I and all others who question 9/11 have. You assume we all think the government did it. This is collectivist thinking that assumes all 9/11 truthers believe exactly the same thing and are unable to change their minds. You lose on logic here. 9/11 truth is growing, which indicates it's made up of people who can change their minds. Most 9/11 truthers have a list of suspects and about a thousand questions that the government and media refuse to answer. They don't claim to know the truth. Between the whistleblowers, money wired to Mohammed Atta, put options on airline stocks, terror warnings ignored, NORAD stand down, not releasing video of the Pentagon, hijackers alive and well, thermite dust, wacky physics, building 7, molten metal burning for months, no black boxes, etc, there's enough evidence to suggest a broad conspiracy to omit a large amount of information from the official story. Most 9/11 truthers don't say what you claim they say. Some do, but most of us just want this information presented in a non-biased fashion to the general public so they can think about it for themselves. You generalize all 9/11 truthers. It's the same thing Anti-Paul people do with Paul supporters, and it's inaccurate. I have my theory, my neighbor has another. They all spell cover-up, which implies media and government complicity at some level. Beyond that, it's hard to say anything with any certainty which is why this subject won't go away anytime soon. The hijackers may have been motivated by occupation, and the defense industry (which was waning at the time) decided to orchestrate a suicide attack to provide impetus for immediate defense spending increases. Too many people profited directly and indirectly, and they just happen to be suspects in this crime until it is solved. Ron Paul's public position doesn't conflict with 9/11 truth because 9/11 truth has proposed many possibilities based on the large body of evidence. The government has given us 1 possibility with very little evidence to back it up. Lots of theories, but very few solid leads.

His technique

was "marginalize by ridicule" and "marginalize by straw man and equate with absurdity".

The enemy uses these techniques.

-who stands to gain from the

-who stands to gain from the attack, qui bono (i love when folks say "the muslims hate us for our freedom, they attacked us because we're free!" i hasten to point out the freedom robbing consequences of the patriot act, all these wars, the deliberately engineered financial crisis, currency and market manipulation, DHS, TSA, etc, etc, etc... to me it looks like every response our 'gov't' took to combat/retaliate against the attacks have resulted in the elimination of freedom, the american dream, superpower status, etc. looks like the terrorists WON! now, stay with me on this: let's ask ourselves WHO served to initiate/enact all these 'responses' to the attacks? now, ask who in fact are the terrorists? ...either the elected and appointed officers who put these 'responses' in place and are carrying them out are the most horribly, grotesquely idiotic, ineffectual, negligent SOBs EVER! and should all be thrown out! ..................................................................................OR...?

.....it's designed. to be. just. this. way.

-what are the incontorvertibly proven lies have we been told by govt throughout history (both recent and far)?

-what are the lies to which govt/power elite themselves have admitted telling?

-what is the Bush family's relationship is with the bin laden family?

-what organisations (business, banking, policy, AND secret) do they belong to, and what are the overtly claimed ideologies/agendas of these organisations?

-what is the history of the region of modern day Iraq? of Afghanistan? and how do their histories pertain to control over money?, natural resources?, global control of mankind?, and what groups/lineages contested over control of these lands and these integral facets of society?

-why and how have the same few families ruled mankind for millenia?

I agree with you 100%. With

I agree with you 100%. With major tragedies there will always be holes in the story which will inevitably be filled with hypothetical beliefs/theories. Whom ever makes the claim needs to defend the claim. Pointing out inconsistencies in a story and expressing skepticism is not the same as making a claim such as: "George Bush and the Reptilian's did it."

"A true competitor wants their opponent at their best." Lao Tzu

Logic?

One man's logic is another man's illogic.

Logic.

The First Most Basic Rule Of The American Revolution

The First Most Basic Rule Of The American Revolution, Of The Constitution:

"Don't trust the government"

Ron Paul doesn't trust the government.

Mistrust is in step with the Revolution of old and The Constitution.

He claims not to be an absolutist? Which would mean, that he has not ruled out the possibility.

Logic : - )

Inside job

Anyone to think that guys with box cutters did this is a complete idot!!

I did a month or so of research, I watched videos upon videos and now anyone that I come in contact with I share the knowlege and information that I have , JUST as you should to!!!

3,000 Americans were murderd, Anyone care?

I know your not really

I know your not really calling people idiots, its an expression. But that kind of conjecture was really for us, as we were realizing the fraud. That expression helped to boost us into the reality that the proffesionals who were supposed to be doing the investigating or even Engineers or maybe even pilots ETC.. were the idiots, if they believed the lie. But for the average person it takes like u said some time since they were presented with beleifs and not evidence. Anyone on the dailypaul I'd say with some exception are not idiots. And I know that's not your point, but people read into meanings they choose, and take things personal. These are some serious issues we are dealing with Ive found the best way is to give support and just use rationality. I think the same way as you, but I assume they will take everything I say in the absolute worst way. I know you didn't think about all that when you were making your quick post. I'm just putting in my two cents. oh that was a good point at the end but for some reason people still miss that...

I care.

But the genius of the TRUTH is that it is too hard to accept for the majority of people. IF the conspiracy is true...the ramifications are enormous.

No more warm fuzzies about GW, the War On Terror, If you aren't with us you're against us, the Axis of Evil, etc.

Facing the music means accepting that those elected to protect us...well, you finish that sentence.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

That's EXACTLY what it means.

And if you have been watching what's been going on for the last 10 years, which I'm sure you have been because you are here on DP, you can see that the gov't is in the process "finishing that sentence" right now.
There's hundreds of things since 2001 you could point to as evidence, including NDAA assassination of Americans.

This is why it is so important that people awaken.
There is no time for molly-coddling the slow-learners anymore.

r'Evolution Aims Right ...

...'and I do mean right.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPOebwXI0gA&feature=related

Get the picture. It's about early blur.

exactly.

exactly.

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Hey LibBerte

Great clip!

"What we've got here is a failure to communicate." "Some men, you just can't reach."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3WcuvL737A

IDK what people are getting all bent out of shape over.
All Corbett is doing is reciting the "official story" (story being the key word) as it was told to us. (minus the parts that were changed several times)

If that "story" sounds nonsensical the way it was recited, it should. Because it IS nonsense.

Anyone who has done any amount of study realizes that they got away with Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, Waco, OKC, Ruby Ridge, WTC 1993, and 9/11. (just to name a few) I would venture to guess that those folks make up the most loyal and passionate group of support, because they know what is at stake.

We have an insane cabal that has hijacked our Govt., and is driving it off a cliff. I feel my desire to try and affect positive change in this country slipping away, and don't think I could fault anyone for bailing out before impact.

If I didn't have so much (ignorant) family here, I would probably be making plans myself. Save me some property Lib....;) (just in case)
Hope all is well.

Truther or not...

This is a great video. Funny, to the point, and encourages people to speak their mind. Ultimately this isnt an issue about 9/11 as much as it is the ability in a free country to SPEAK. Freedom of speech doesnt protect popular speech, but unpopular speech. We all know this. If you are a true lover of liberty, you should encourage controversial speech. Disagree if you like...but asking people to shut up, or not post videos, or for the Dailypaul to pull the video, is the antithesis of everything this movement stands for. The Ron Paul movement gained most of its strength in early 2007 due to the Alex Jones/Truther crowd and thats a fact. It has grown FAR beyond that, but a great amount of Paul supporters are very interested in this issue. If you dont like it, state your case. But dont ask for the restriction of freedom of expression- THAT is what will make Ron Paul look bad.

well said... and damn right..

well said... and damn right..

Think for yourself......Question authority...

Great job DailyPaul !!!!

Can I assume that you have thrown in the towell on the campaign and have now reverted back to original programming?

Can we get a Zionist topic on the front page next?

What about a birther topic?

Truth is a powerful weapon.

Truth is a powerful weapon. I think the type of people who use their minds to think are attracted to Ron Paul and those same thinking people are not afraid to address controversial issues. People have argued that we have all the 'truthers' in our camp and should avoid such issues on this site. I wholeheartedly disagree. Every day more people wake up to the 9/11 truth movement, and every day more people wake up to Ron Paul's message. There's a correlation there even if you refuse to see it. Both messages are from passionate people who believe in their convictions, and both groups are ignored by the media. Promoting 911 truth can only bring more people to the liberty message, and promoting the liberty message has certainly brought more people to the truth movement. Sure, we'll lose the votes of the ignorant who stereotype everything by association, but we'll gain thinking people who are looking for answers to questions that nobody else will discuss. Once we have all the thinking people on our side, the unthinking herd will fall in line because their beliefs are totally dependent on social acceptance.

That was awesome! My mind is

That was awesome! My mind is officialy blown...

That's why

the anti-truthers on this thread are going apoplectic trying to suppress it.

supporters of freedom aren't

supporters of freedom aren't all tolerant and open-minded?!?!?! *gasp* noooooooooooooooo

Reason Supporting Truth.

thanks, your post gave us more confidence. +1.

The architects...

...are all free as birds - enjoying their retirements.

"The New Pearl Harbor" is a great book of facts, figures and timelines (not opinions) so you can form your own conclusions.

We were duped - is my belief.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America's Defense on 9/11

I get the sense in reading the comments that too many have not yet done their research on 9/11. Notwithstanding the pros and cons of posting the Corbett video, I urge everyone to do their research now while the internet is not yet fully censored. John Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities’ School of Law and former Attorney General of NJ was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. His book, “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11,” lays out the case that the official commission report is almost entirely untrue.
The 9/11 Commission Rejects Own Report As Based on Government Lies
www.911blogger.com/node/21396

While I understand the concern some have that the 9/11 issue may be the wrong kind of distraction on this website, Dr.Paul has publicly stated that he would support a new investigation into 9/11. I don’t see how that conflicts with his blowback stance. False flags aren’t new phenomena (google USS Liberty and Mossad). Their existence doesn’t diminish the idea that blowback results in terrorism. It is important we seek the truth because so much of our foreign policy has evolved from the fear 9/11 engendered enabled by willing politicos in DC, the neocons who “hijacked the GOP” (in RP’s words). I prefer that truth be revealed so as to educate the unenlightened, and the more people we educate, the better the prospects will be in the end for liberty and justice. Dr. Paul’s supporting a new investigation doesn’t brand him as a ‘truther’ but one of the few courageous politicos in DC who seeks transparency and accountability. Rather than be ashamed or try to hide it, I applaud him along with Judge Napolitano and Geraldo Rivera, the only two in the media (as well as Jesse Ventura) who have questioned the rationality of accepting an already discredited commission report.