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9/11: A Conspiracy Theory*

James Corbett has really outdone himself with this one.... PRICELESS...!!!

http://youtu.be/yuC_4mGTs98

Found at:
http://moridinskeep.blogs...

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* Note:

This thread was originally titled, 'OMG - See The PTB Get Their *ss Handed to Them' but the editors here at the Daily Paul felt such a headline wouldn't be quite appropriate for the front page of this very dignified website. Additionally, the embedded YouTube video has been replaced to point back to the original James Corbett version - with over 1.25 million views - rather than the one found on the Mordin's Keep blog, which has a (relatively) paltry 57,000 views.

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This was a good....

This was a good and reasonable reply. I wish many others on here would not be so rude and condescending. My concern about this is the timing, the tone of the video("You are all stupid if you believe the official story!"), and how the video will turn away potential supporters who are not truthers, and no matter what the evidence says, will never be one. Many are true small government patriots who DO want a transparent government. We would still like their support, right?

The Sun, the Moon and The Truth

Joe, thanks for your thoughtful response. With respect to Ron Paul’s thrust for small limited government, how do we achieve that? Do we gloss over or ignore incidences like the USS Liberty and 9/11 which give the neocons the ammunition to go to war? I am posting an article that appeared on the daily paul two years ago. As more people are awakening to the holes in the ‘official’ 9/11 report and the existence of false flag attacks, consider all that has been on the table in the last few years, ie TSA, NDAA, SOPA, ACTA, PIPA, now CISPA, the new cybersecurity bill which will censor the internet. Since the effort to strip us of our Constitutional rights and freedoms is moving at an exponential rate and considering the urgency of our need to counter the disinformation campaign by TPTB, is now the time to be reticent? The daily paul is lauded as an educational website. If we censor it, don’t we fall into the hands of the freedom-robbing perpetrators? Your point about the timing is well taken, but there is also the urgency based on what is occurring. I pose these questions for your thoughtful reflection. We can debate about the appropriateness of this and that until hell freezes over, but in the end I weep for those who lost their lives and feel we do them an injustice by not exposing the truth as painful as it is. Peace to you.

BBC Video: Dead In the Water The Attack on the USS Liberty
www.dailypaul.com/129400/bbc-video-dead-in-the-water-the

“Three things will not long remain hidden, the Sun, the Moon and the Truth.”
-Buddha

Well they sure as heck "will never be one"

if people like you insist that they continue to be fed lies.

How long do you intend to tell them the sweet little lies to keep them in their slumber, and then expect them to wake up?
Here's a clue.
As long as you keep lying to them, they'll NEVER wake up.

But then, maybe that's the whole idea, huh?

Well, what`s next on the agenda?

Are we going to start going door to door promoting Ron Paul while handing out "9/11 was a Conspiracy" literature? Potential supporters would definitely join us then, right?

With respect to you. Alot of

With respect to you. Alot of people I know don't care about politics
And 911 was just an intersting subject they didnt know about and found intersting and then shocking. That type of conversation led to police state talk and then to the idea of history repeating itself(hitler did the same thing against the reishtag buiilding for political purposes)

So from a historical perspective a person can follow a map of where that will lead us.

There is a lady by the name of Naomi Wolf who wrote a book about how we are following bad hisory to the LETTER. And so close its shocking. I can't convince you but if you read the book you'll see what I'm saying.

Any way discernment is the word and knowing WHO to tell WHAT can be very powerful. Once people know how 911 is used they can see how Ron Paul is the Antagonist to everything that sprouts from the 911 lie and why the powers that be are treating him so unfairly, that it is unbeleivable.

I believe this is one of the reasons that Ron Paul has such unwavering support. Weve seen so much deception and there is actually someone who understands and is doing something about it?

We don't want the conspiracy nut talking point attached to him because we understand the psychology and the media. But if it can become a hook to bring in someone who doesnt know they need to support Ron Paul, I won't hesitate on the right person. Intellectual Revolution

And I understand the point you made completly So Yes, your right, that's a bad idea but im sure you could use 911 to shock someone into thinking outside the box who is already locked into another candidate and twist them to Ron Paul much easier with something as simple as showing a clip of building 7 falling on your phone to start a different conversation.

If they had their way

This would be next,Door knocking for 911. thank you for having the intelligence and dedication to support the idea this is the wrong time for this. The voting trend on this thread is quite comical and immature. This displays the lack of integrity within the truther movement. This alone speaks for it's self in volumes.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Yes definitely.

Supporters WOULD join us.
Just like they joined us in 2008 and before.

And what's more, we would not be complicit in overtly keeping them ignorant, as if we had the right to keep them uninformed about a life-and-death issue that you seem to think they should know nothing about.

You need to change your name to JoeTheNeocon.

Seriously?

Do you really believe that? BTW, name calling is a neocon tactic. So, please refrain from that.

It's a proven fact.

Indisputable.
At least half this movement is truthers. Probably more than that. How do you think they got here?
People informed them.

Of course, if you prefer to go along with the premise that accepting every lie that the gov't and media have brainwashed people with should never be challenged and corrected, then that's your business.

Take a look at the vote-up count on this thread. It's wildly popular here.
And there are just the few predictable gatekeepers trying to put the cold water on it, just like always. They're easy to spot. Just look for the posts with the red negatives piling up on them.

Truth?,What about integrity?

You preach the truth yet you would distort the truth about the voting trend on this thread? The truth displayed here is a difference of integrity. Folks that feel as I do have had the integrity to not use the voting feature as a tool of persecution against your right of opinion. They have more integrity than your movement displays,Your movement lacks integrity and persecutes every opinion that even hints of opposition to your agenda. I have had the true integrity to not downvote one reply,how about you? There is the hypocrisy of your definition of "Truth". This lack of integrity has absolutely displayed it's self in this fact and cannot be denied. There's a little "Truth" for you that can be proved.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Actually, it's you who's distorting things.

You have no data or facts to support your contentions. You just demand compliance to your whims, based on fear-mongering that "bad things will happen if we think that".

And the voting feature reflects what the people on this site think of your speech oppression.
I find no correlation between the voting feature and "integrity". People vote as they see fit. Your position is not popular, and they're telling you. Sometimes my position isn't popular, and they tell me with downvotes.
If you have a problem with the voting system, then take it up with Michael and Jon.

Wrong

You have absolutely every right to your opinion,my integrity believes this. Your integrity insists on harming others with your "Free speech",this I have a problem with. Please do not try and say that there was not a voting campaign on this thread. It is just way too obvious and anyone with half a brain can see it and to deny it shows lack of integrity. Truth is the 911 incident destroyed my life when it happened, I lost everything I owned at the time. It was a direct result of the event happening. I have many questions I would like to have answered also. But it would not be right for me to impose my feelings on to Ron's platform. Ron Paul first, My questions second. This is true integrity.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Who's being harmed

by my free speech?

Where did you get the idea that anybody's comments here are "Ron's Platform"?

I have seen this ploy used over and over again to stifle this topic.
Our words are our own. They are not Ron's.
This is a blog. This is not Ron's official website, nor has it ever been Ron's official website. It is a fan site.
A ploy to muzzle any discussion that is not specifically approved is simply not appropriate for a fan site, and has gone on way too long already.
It was a bad idea to begin with, and it's a bad idea now.

Association

It is wrong and unfortunate but just how it works out in the wash. Ron Paul supporter's beliefs = Ron Paul's beliefs. It should not be this way but it is. Fact is this topic was indeed attached to Ron's platform by the general public and the MSM several months ago with intent to harm. He was very lucky to have skirted it. The only reason he was able to skirt it was because the truther movement had the good sense to exercise a little prudence and patience. I will be the first to thank them and yourself for this unselfish and very prudent choice of action. Fact is this will harm Ron if it explodes again. His supporters and himself are being watched right now for ANY reason to discredit him in this race. This is exactly the fodder they need to seal his fate. Why would we hand them the wrench they need to to throw into the works? If your movement destroys Ron's chances then you have harmed Ron,Ron's supporters,this whole country and future generations with your selfish actions because they have been denied the chance to have Ron Paul as president. I plead my position not for myself but for my grandchildren.

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If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

What if I said

that the only reason we haven't already won was because we didn't talk enough about truth.
Could you prove that wrong?
No, you couldn't. And I couldn't prove it was right.

And you can't prove that we will be better off if we don't talk about it.

It's all conjecture.
The difference is that my conjecture doesn't attempt to silence anybody else and your conjecture does.

You have zero grounds and zero data to back up your demands.
Therefore, they are baseless and intrusive.

I could say that you are harming Ron's chances by suppressing the truth, with all the same "dire consequences" that you listed.
And I would have every bit the same substantiation for it.
Which is NONE.

NEWS FLASH.....I know a lot

NEWS FLASH.....I know a lot of people who would vote for Ron PAUL if he would pursue BO's ineligibility...so what....he won't...that doesn't mean we shouldn't support him.....WAKE UP PEOPLE.....Dr. Paul says 911 needs to be investigated more thoroughly but if it happens like our FRAUD GOVERNMENT says it did then "blowback" is as good a reason as any....it's just that there is TOO much proof that points to something totally different!

Take this off the front site.

Take this off the front site. I've been supporting Ron Paul since before his 2008 campaign. This is embarrassing not only to the DailyPaul, but more importantly to Ron Paul himself.

Embarrassing. Take this off the site and ban the moderator who posted this.

What

boggles my mind about this whole deal is how anyone could be against an independent investigation...one of the most horrific murders of American citizens in our history. If there is the slightest shred of doubt about the integrity of the first investigation-everyone should be open to an independent investigation. Forget about the people running around telling everyone the gov was responsible, or they know who did it...the point is that there are many legitimate unanswered questions (particularly from many of the families who lost their loved one's that day who believe they've been lied to)...we shouldn't be afraid to open up a truly independent investigation and let it run its course - no matter where it leads to. Because i'm saying this doesn't mean i believe the government did it, or that I know who did it....it just means questions have been left unanswered - and there are about 2000 technical professional's (engineers) who have have signed a petition because of the fact that the official story doesn't ad up when you strip it down to the facts....the laws of physics don't lie. So, why is everyone scared of an independent investigation???? If your mom, brother, sister or anyone else you know and cared for had died had died on 911....wouldn't you want a thorough investigation? We owe it to the families who lost loved one's, and the death of those individuals. A world where Solyndra gets a couple hundred million dollars, and the worst terrorist attack in american history gets swept under the rug with minimal funding....doesn't seem quite right.

All that said, you might be right that this site isn't the best of places to make the argument - supposed to be trying to get RP elected...most people view this stuff as cooky and would be turned off to see this on the site.

I don`t think anybody here is

I don`t think anybody that is against this video being here is afraid of an independant investigation. 9/11 truth is not a good way of attracting the masses to our cause of liberty.

Yeah

read my last paragraph.

You are embarrassing

You are embarrassing yourself....Ron Paul is NOT afraid of the truth and the answer is NO!

The problem with the video is

The problem with the video is that it doesn't matter how good it is (its great) - or how sensible (very)... The people we are trying desperately to reach RIGHT NOW (maybe thousands of folks from CA) will see the headline and think 'oh geez! I heard Ron Paul was a Truther.' They don't have to (and probably won't) watch the video. The headline and the meme are enough.

The topic has nothing to do with Ron Paul. Truther's love Ron Paul because they are wise to not trust any other politician. Some racists love Ron because they misunderstand his views on race issues. Some drug addicts love Ron because he would decriminalize drugs at the Federal level. Hell, the folks that believe we never went to the Moon probably love Paul too... but it doesn't mean the DP and Ron Paul should be used as vehicles for those beliefs.

It isn't about the video being embarrassing... it doesn't have to mean we disagree on the subject... it is just politically unwise. It does the movement no good - and can only do harm to the campaign at this critical moment.

Exactly!

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The topic today is a video. I think it would humor newcomers.

It shows government's ineptitude in dealing with a major disaster.

Free includes debt-free!

funny

that was a funny vid for sure !
who are those people around 3:15-3:20 ?
and whats the O getting younger in his videos ? thats a new one for me.
more details for the thing between 1:55-1:57 ?

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Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

Perfect

That doesn't just hit the nail on the head...it NUKES it!

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Looks like dailypaul is giving up on Ron

Hello. Long time lurker, first time poster.

I was going to spend $700 dollars to take the wife to the Ron Paul luncheon next week wednesday in Dallas. Not anymore. This is the last straw and enough proof for me that we are finished.

I'm not going to donate anymore if the rest of you are going to work this hard to sabotage Ron's campaign.

I'm a diehard supporter that is turned off. You can be sure that anyone on the fence or that could be swayed to vote for Ron will be turned off by this.

Ron Paul has ALWAYS maintained that 911 was the result of BLOWBACK. Now the dailypaul says he's wrong. You guys are killing what little hope was left.

lol

Newsflash: Ron Paul didn't post this video, and has no affiliation to it. This thread was made by another DP visitor, just like you.

It has no effect on Ron Paul's principles, or his campaign. If something as irrelevant as this deters you then I can only assume you were never a true Ron Paul supporter to begin with.

Don`t let this deter you

I disagree with this video being presented here as well, but that will not deter me from supporting Doctor Paul. Keep supporting the cause of liberty by supporting Dr. Paul.

Oh,

Your whole 5 hours hasn't turned out like you planned.

You trolls are unbelievable!