It's the GOP's party, and they write the rules, and they can allow themselves to cheat if they want to, and they want to. This shouldn't surprise anyone, least of all the Ron Paul team. It's simple, the GOP in a particular State is leaned on by the big national GOP boys to form a "committe" that basically pre-selects their convention delegates. It's all fine and dandy, if their rules say it's fine and dandy. Ron Paul's people are right about one thing, the previous State caucuses really don't mean a whole lot about the selection of convention delegates, but the problem is, they are still going to get their way by pre arranging the selection process. And if that's not enough, they'll fix it at the convention. Anyone who isn't comfortable with a Ron Paul 3rd party run is in for a serious let down in Tampa. Believe me, it'll be a Mitt/Santorum love fest. Remember last election? They didn't even let Ron Paul attend!
Dr. Paul would easily win the Libertarian nomination. He would then be on most, if not all, state ballots for the general election. I believe he would easily poll high enough to be included in the fall general election debates. If he waits until after the Republican convention ends in early September, isn't it too late for a run as an Independent candidate? The best option then might be to endorse the Libertarian candidate in those states that don't allow write-in votes for president.
What does that say for Romnney? Just like the fish, when the head stinks the whole thing stinks. Just another Goldman Sachs corporate teleprompter reading banker puppet.
Americans have been in bed with donkeys and elephants for so long, they are dreaming they are the most beautiful mistresses, and can't seem to wake up and smell the stink, and take a look at who they're in bed with.
People are waking up, just not fast enough to suit those who are awake. The time is coming though, when all parties with animals(party animals), will lose their allure and the realization will dawn that we don't need anyone else to tell us how to think, or what to decide. We don't need to have our thought corraled into neat box of ideas, decided by others, nor accept representatives chosen by media or controllers.
The "r[evol]ution" needs to grow up and stop asking permission for anything, from USA,inc., the parties, the elites or any other a**holes who would sit on a throne above us. But, I suppose this will have to play itself out another way for now.
"THE FIX IS IN" below by Lofabred stated:
"This is disgusting. It's hard to stomach how corrupt the process is. Any choice we have is merely an illusion. And the vast majority of America falls for it every time. I know we like to think so, but can there really be a peaceful revolution/change in America? I find this a scary question to answer, because I feel like the answer is probably "no"."
I agree with the first part. It is disgusting, but unfortunately necessary, until enough wake up and determine "NO MORE!" It reminds me of the scene at the end of BRAVEHEART when our hero is being gutted before the crowd with obvious pleasure. Until enough of us are disgusted enough to reach the tipping point, this will continue. When I say "us", I don't mean ron paul supporters. I mean all the rest of America that is too drugged to see their shackles, and realize they are paper.
Fighting to win, within the GOP, may be necessary for now to create this drama of exposing just how asleep and corrupt people can be, and Ron Paul's herculean efforts to wake America up and change the GOP can never be tarnished. Nor all the people who have fought the good fight with him. But, the time is coming when we will have to set aside ideological parties and groups of all kinds and be FREE AT LAST! Some are doing that now. Others will do it later, after they have done their best through the drama they are engaged in. Eventually, it will happen.
As to the second part of Lofabred's pondering, about the viability of a "peaceful" revolution . . . it must be that way. Any attempt to act like the opposition will simply create a new party, ours, willing to use any means to ensure it's survival. Why continue the same old dialectic? Never forget the abortion battle and how good people felt compelled by philosophy to kill a doctor or burn a clinic. The very first step in that direction, the first drop of blood spilled, locks in that perpetrators' fate.
This is not about parties and closed groups that can never speak for all. It is about only allowing laws and government that truly can speak for all and represent them fairly. Idealism, yes. Impossible? NO. Just a helluva lot less rules and BS.
Peace, and Freedom to us all.
Now THAT is fair and balanced.
Folks, a bit more of reality check. Both parties are private organizations, nothing more than open membership country club. They can make up any rules they want, violate any rules they want. If you don't like the BS, know one is making you stay and frankly the party does not care, because they are part of the false left-right illusion that has been controlling our minds and this country. Ron Paul left once, and came back and endured 20 years of ridicule, and GOP isolationism. He stay in to make a difference. You can make a difference, but learn the game, take control of local politics and change the ways things are done. It will not change overnight. In 2008, the GOP and McCain campaign overtly attacked and isolated any Ron Paul supporters at the Colorado State Convention. Many of the state party leaders, legislators, county leaders and high profile party figures ran as National delegates to keep the Ron Paul supporters out of the process. These same NEOCON members boo'd a disabled Iraqi War Veteran off the stage of the convention when he gave his 15 sec nomination speech. Realize what you are up against.
I strongly agree with the several points you make.
One minor comment set me back. Let me digress...
I oft write about adventures. Sometimes I include stuff I don't like. Adds character. One thing I don't like is paying taxes for those blame Democrat/Republican party favors. Their national convention is even on the dole. The Democrat/Republican party broke in two over a century ago. No one ever fixed it. Still broke!
The two broken pieces of the Democrat/Republican party hold onto our election votes & count them as they see fit. Their way of counting is highly suspect. Those rapscallion country clubs are electing under the influence.
Someone is forcing us to pay. Dr Ron Paul & those such as us @ DailyPaul are trying mightily to fix this mess. I appreciate very much what you wrote. I hope this comment adds a bit of seasoning.
Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul ☑
Thanks for this excellent analogy. I hadn't thought of it this way, and you're totally correct.
Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.
if the video that Ben Swann shows of the ND caucus is on youtube? I can't seem to find it.
original footage(in the upper left hand box of youtube you gave) of the caucus event that Ben shows in his his report. I collect the raw footage of the caucus events for by Robert's Rules post below.
Thanks for responding though...
How come no one vigorously challenged the "committee's" authority? How is this not troubling people? People NEED TO STAND UP to the corrupt usurpers if there is to be any real change. Otherwise we are all seriously wasting our time.
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson
Our strategy was to win the delegate selection game. North Dakota demonstrates our initial "success". Paul: 28% of caucus vote, 8% of delegates. Romney: 24% of caucus vote, 64% of delegates. It's way past time to cut this crap. Spend the remainder of April staging as many big town hall meetings on college campuses as possible in California, New York and Texas. Big auditoriums or arenas, but small enough to ensure overflow crowds, with big screens and speakers outside the venues for the overflow. Go to Las Vegas May 2-6 and win the Libertarian Party presidential nomination. Put the Republican wing of the War Party in the rear-view mirror.
Couldn't some Ron Paul supporters leaders, written all the Ron Paul delegates on a big sign so all the other supporters could see who they need to vote for?
It looked like it was kind of a free-for-all there and not organized. I would like to hear some reports on the ground about this.
They just don't even care to cover up anymore, our reactions are perhaps too subtle and our disgusts are perhaps too little for them to feel...
"Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed."~Mahatma Gandhi
Quick Humorous Satire course on Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_65316&...
This is what Donald Trump and the rest of the elites mean when they say that Ron Paul can not get elected. Because they know that the GOP --under any circumstances-- will not let it happen in any shape or form. They will not allow anyone or anything to disrupt their control and power. If they are going to pull this sh*t, Ron Paul should just get on the card as a 3rd party candidate. Are we just going to tread water and hope for the best, or are we going to swim to shore?
With this kind of crap going on, this race is rigged, piss enough Independents, libertarians and republicans off so they stay home on election day. We get another four years of socialism. Obumer!!!!... GOP does not want to win in 2012.
Someone needs to shoot these people who are cheating us
You need to go watch some Stefan Molyneux on volunteerism and non-violence.
and your suggestion if taken up, would invalidate our entire effort.
every question after that would be asked of ron paul "so are all your supporters militant extremists or just the majority?"
you know better. ron paul would abhor such a suggestion.
At least not at this point... Let me ask what's worse... Initiate a Force to take them out of this world which really is not in our best interest and could possibly cause civil unrest giving the government a reason to declare martial law... Or, WIN this election despite their dirty tricks and let them live out the rest of their lives in shame and embarrassment??? I think the latter drives a much stronger point...
Here's a message from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by God's will:
Colossians 4:5-6 "Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the time. Your speech should always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you should answer each person." The message here is that life puts us in contact with allot of different people. Some are fun to be around. Some are a challenge. But God has put them all into our lives for a reason. Friend or foe, relevant or seemingly irrelevant, every person in our life is a ministry of opportunity.
We must keep pressing on - learning our lessons as we go. This is the beauty of being alive and why we are here. This election is just one step forward for us on the road to gain back lost freedoms due to our complacency and neglect... We only have ourselves to blame for not protecting our liberties as we have allowed them to slip away...
We must welcome these life lessons initiated by the foes of freedom. We must overcome this attempted tyranny. Stand up for ourselves and allow those who are contributing to the injustice to take a step back and seriously reconsider the evil they are supporting.
See my comments below on what we really need to concentrate on to WIN THIS RACE!!!
-LibertyG ... 2 Corinthians 2:16-17 "To some we are a scent of death leading to death, but to others, a scent of life leading to life. And who is competent for this? For we are not like the many who make a trade(for profit) but as those with sincerity...
Here's your list of ACCEPTABLE delegates, folks. LoL
It's fraud disguised as politics by some party loyalists (hacks) operating on the DP. A centralized committee will determine acceptability of delegates, not the party's membership via a caucus. Why hold a caucus at all, eh? Good question, but not holding a caucus would appear, well, undemocratic perhaps? ;) Oh, brother, political parties need to go bye-bye. :)
Ron, have events such as fraud and corruption from the GOP's leadership persuaded you to run on a 3rd party ballot yet?
and look for another another choice other than elites of romney and obama.
GOP Committee on time. Thus the slate of delegates went to him.
Sounds logical doesn't it..
The Reality is we must expect this from now on until the GOP hands Romney the nomination..
Problem is Romney has no answers of his own. They will be provided for him by Goldman Sachs, Bear Sterns and the rest of the elite of the banking community..
This "in your face" corruption by the N.D. republicrats is insulting and beneath contempt! Surly, the people of N.D. have some kind of recourse for the criminal behavior of a select elite? Good riddance republicans.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I know major allies who fund them" Gen. Dempsey
The North Dakota GOP leadership are tools. This proves Romney doesn't even think he'll get the delegates he needs for a 1st round win in Tampa-and I don't think anyone sees him as a consensus candidate if he can't even win the GOP primary in one round-he's getting desperate enough to cheat in plain sight.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."- JFK
Prepare, prepare, prepare. My wife & I are on the nominating committee. There will be NO BS here. We can't hope for good things to happen, we have to MAKE THEM HAPPEN.
At the end of the day, we of the tireless minority have to ALL make sure that our corner is clean. Only then will the whole house be in order.
Nonsense will be present & unaccounted for.
Tis your task to elect Ron Paul.
Whether electoral systems of the past will ever be fixed or not, is undecided. The Democrat/Republican party was broken into two. History is clear to this point. Though broken in two, it was never fixed. It is still a very broken party... Albeit, twp parts of a political party. It might be treated as two separate parties, but that does not heal it. Few remember it is but one party... broken. A broken party divided, cannot stand.
This is disgusting. It's hard to stomach how corrupt the process is. Any choice we have is merely an illusion. And the vast majority of America falls for it every time. I know we like to think so, but can there really be a peaceful revolution/change in America? I find this a scary question to answer, because I feel like the answer is probably "no".
Folks if you are going to these conventions and are a RP supporter, you MUST know who you are going to vote for in advance! If RP supporters at the convention truly have the majority and know who to vote for in advance, then any "suggested slate" from the establishment doesn't have a chance.
In the end in ND it still came down to a vote, right?
We have to come into these conventions with our own prepared slates. This should be organized by your county/state campaign coordinators. If you don't know who they are ask around! I got in touch with my coordinators by finding them on the local Meetup page. So check Meetup, Facebook etc!
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