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Cry from the Heart : on the importance of the 14th Amendment to defend Life, Liberty, and Peace in the United States of America

My Dear American friends,

I now have this overwhelming feeling that for the stakes of preserving Liberty and Peace in the near future in this country, you/we the People, SHALL NOT overlook the CRUCIAL IMPORTANCE of understanding, and defending the best we can the full extent of application of the 14th Amendment.

This Amendment, and OUR DEFENSE OF ITS TEXT AND SPIRIT, may be our last protective resort against a Federal Government possibly going mad and ALREADY threatening LIFE AND LIBERTY OF ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS on the US soil.

Below, I am highlighting the passages that I feel will be of the MOST IMPORTANT relevance:

(Reread carefully if not already familiar enough)

"Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

This 14th Amendment, of course, largely speaks for itself, but also within and throughout the entire text of the Constitution.

But the point I am trying to make here, is that I feel we/you, the People, MUST DEFEND with all our heart, sweat, and tears, the notion that the passages highlighted above CAN AND SHOULD, FOR AND BY the People, be understood AS MUCH ABOUT INSURRECTION OR REBELLION COMING FROM POSSIBLE DOMESTIC ENEMIES, INCLUDING SOME IN OFFICE, as about "conventional" foreign enemies, that the former (domestic enemies possibly in office) would like the People to be EXCLUSIVELY focusing on.

Please spread this word if it speaks to you.

PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW OR ACCEPT THAT TRAITORS MANGLE, MUTILATE THE INTERPRETATION OF THIS WISE, PRUDENT AMENDMENT

To read more about the 14th Amendment :

http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/amdt14toc_user.html

Also, Ron Paul, on how the 9th, 10th, and 14th have been used by some "judges who see themselves as social activists, [and whose] vision of justice is more important than the letter of the laws they are sworn to interpret and uphold" :

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html

(Ron Paul, 2003)

For OUR Life, Liberty, and Peace,

EDIT

I've eventually come to agree that the People might (or will likely) want to repeal this 14th Amendment one day, probably soon after this Restoration Revolution we're engaged into completes. Till then, I believe this same amendment, esp. section 3, can still be a useful "Judoka" helper for the defense of the Constitution FOR AND BY the People, in an interpretation that includes this amendment.

See : http://www.dailypaul.com/225042/cry-from-the-heart-on-the-im...
(Thanks to Republicae)




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A short video that relates to

A short video that relates to the 14th Amendment, AKA the Civil Rights Amendment...Civil Rights vs Natural Rights.

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Republicae's picture

Indeed, under the 14th

Indeed, under the 14th Amendment the entire foundation of federalism is removed and replaced by a consolidated national state where the States are relegated to the status of mere provinces, where what remains of their State Constitutions are merely adjuncts to centralized power in D.C.

Honestly, I cannot see how any Constitutionalist can or would accept the 14th Amendment, either in part or whole since it defies every principle of Constitutional order and replaces that order with a system that diminishes the whole purpose behind the crafting of the Constitution as a system that would be cumbersome to centralization and the usurpation of powers beyond those delegated and enumerated with specificity in the document itself. Among other things, this Amendment has allowed this illegitimate government, in particular the Supreme Court to sanction and provide the semblance of legitimacy to the government to place itself in a dominate position over the States. It has allowed for a Domestic Imperialism over the powers reserved to the States and the States alone! The innovation of the 14th Amendment has stripped the power of the States to determine the limits of powers associated with functions and operations, not only of the federal government, but also of the States themselves.

As a Constitutionalist, the States as a body politic created, through convention and ratification, the federal government, creating as it were an agent to act on their behalf and in protection of certain delegations of limited powers specifically for that purpose; they, the States in their Sovereign capacity, are the Principals and the federal government nothing more their Agent deputized for very specific and very limited actions! It was neither the prerogative of the federal government to act in any other way but the way described, nor did the 14th Amendment give it such a prerogative though it uses that Amendment, as well as others, to advance a completely opposite view and function, in total disregard to the primary edicts laid out under Constitutional order.

Indeed, Jefferson was correct when he said: "To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions is a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy."

Indeed, that is exactly what has taken place in this country, the Supreme Court, as with all other courts, are Constitutionally obliged to operate within very narrow spheres of action, all laid out within the Constitution itself and nowhere within that document was the Judicial delegated such power. The final arbiter on all Constitutional matters rest within the States themselves in the very same way that the States determine their own Independence from the tyranny of Great Britain, so too none of that power was relinquished after the ratification of the Constitution, the Sovereign character of the States remains and can and must be exercised.

This federal regime has long ago breached the terms of the very agreement that created it, it has committed treason in the name of grasping and preserving its own powers and created a virtual monopoly on power. Each of the States, in their Sovereign capacity, consisted and even now consist each as Sovereign body, Independent of all others in respect to that Sovereignty and are ONLY BOUND BY THEIR VOLUNTARY ACT in terms of remaining under the Contract we call the Constitution making up this voluntary union we call These United States of America.

Again, it is completely unimaginable that vast majority of the Framers of this government would have desired or approved a system of government that could or would become far more oppressive and powerful as the one which they fought so hard to be free of during the Revolution!

One of the problems we face as a country is that the entire system of government has been allowed, through the fiat monetary system, to become a federal SOW and upon her teats the Once Free and Independent States have become Sucklings, partaking of the so-called federal funds which, based on many court rulings, obligates the States to accept all manner of federal mandates and programs. The continued system of federal patronages makes it difficult for any State Legislature to countermand or repudiate the federal government and the leverage of funding it has over the now dependent State governments.

Aside from all those abbreviations from the norm of Constitutional order, the Executive can sidestep even Congressional authority and even legislation through a variety of legalistic tricks, such as Signing Statements, Executive Orders, as well as the numerous regulatory agencies which issue codes outside the legislative process but with the full force of law.

Therefore, as a Constitutionalist, it is not only beyond reason to accept an Amendment that, by its character, is against the very principles upon which the system of federalism was created, but essentially annuls the previous Amendments as well as the functional structure of the Constitutional system of federalism. In other words, the 14th Amendment, by the very character in which it is written and the manner of its execution through the years, fundamentally altered the very structural foundation upon which this Republic was built, destroying, as it were, the entire system and replacing it with one that is foreign to both the intent and the reasoning behind the creation of this Republic of Free, Sovereign and Independent State Republics.

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"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

The problem with the 14th

The problem with the 14th Amendment is it was too broadly written. If I had to rewrite it, I would simply state that the first 8 amendments also apply to state and local governments, and discrimination/segregation (of race, sex, religion, etc.) imposed or mandated by state and local governments is illegal. Of course, knowing how future politicians/judges could abuse that, I would probably add on a whole essay to explain exactly what I meant so they couldn't credibly use the "living constitution" defense

It had to be broadly written

It had to be broadly written in order to establish their desired result, which WAS NOT to give civil rights to the freed slaves.

This amendment is not for the black man, but for all men. It mentions NO race, and writings from those who drafted it make clear that this was NOT directed toward any race.

The 14th Constitution creates its OWN Constitution, it is a mini constitution within the Republic's Constitution.

It IS a living constitution, made so by the 5th Clause of the 14th Amendment.

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I was talking about how I

I was talking about how I would rewrite the 14th amendment. I agree that as is, it is flawed.

If I were to rewrite the 14th

If I were to rewrite the 14th Amendment, it would go something like this:

14th Amendment
1)Abolished
2)Abolished
3)Abolished
4)Abolished
5)Abolished

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People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

I can sympathize with that,

I can sympathize with that, but I don't think the state governments, as long as they are a part of the union, should be able to violate core rights or engage in discrimination. I also think that the 14th Amendment is a secondary, rather than a primary, cause of federal tyranny. 95% of the awful shit Congress passes is justified under 1) The General Welfare clause 2) The interstate commerce clause 3) The necessary and proper clause or 4) The invisible (except to our Wise Political Leaders of course) "national security exception" clause

Yeah... Under the

Yeah... Under the Constitution prior to the 14th Amendment, the STATES were responsible for the debt, thus giving the States a reason to restrict Federal spending. Now the Citizens are responsible for the debt, not to mention the States now get a part of that Federal money confiscated from the citizens. All "evil" has its roots in money. The tyranny is the result of money, and the production of the slaves. So you don't think the Federal Government engages in discrimination? From what I see they not only engage in discrimination, they manufacture it. The Federal government does not violate core rights? In 1933 the Federal government declared that ALL land was held by the State, thereby creating a feudal system. The most fundamental requirement of being a Freeman is the ownership of land.

All that "awful shit" that Congress passes, it only applies to the UNITED STATES CITIZEN, a status created by the 14th AMENDMENT.

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People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

I wasn't stating that the

I wasn't stating that the federal government does not violate rights or discriminate, just that them doing so is not justification for allowing states to do so. And I do favor a decentralized federal system where the vast majority of power would rest in the hands of states and localities. As for your final sentence, again I will state that there are many flaws in the 14th Amendment, so I am not defending the provision, but I find no reason why, absent this amendment, Congress would refrain from violating the Constitution. They violate it all the time, so who's to say that not passing the 14th Amendment would have stopped them

Republicae's picture

Flawed? I would say that is

Flawed? I would say that is an understatement if I've ever heard one!

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"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

WHAT'S THIS GUYS

WHAT'S THIS GUYS PROBLEM?

Follow some of the links to find out...

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
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Boy have you got it wrong

the 14th amendment was not lawfully ratified but unlawfully adapted by the congress. The 14th amendment created a new status of citizen which is subject to the whims of congress. In order to regain your rights you have to expatriate from citizen and repatriate to the original Citizen with Capital C. Thus retain your rights under the first ten amendments to the constitution...Want to be free or a slave under the 14th amendment?

It is actually the people

It is actually the people themselves that ratified the 14th Amendment, albeit that this method is NOT in accordance with the Law in Effect, just as the Constitution was not ratified by the Law in Effect.

The constitutionality of the 14th Amendment was to be heard by the SCOTUS, but congress passed legislation that says the SCOTUS cannot rule on political matters. The day before the 14th Amendment was passed, the Expatriation Act was passed. This act, made clear that people in this country have the right to choose which body politic they desire to be member of, by expatriation. If one wanted to LEAVE his body politic and join this new State named the United States, then the Expatriation Act recognized this right and established that none of these foreign States (the independent States of the united States of America) could prevent their citizens from doing such. It is a political decision of the Individual whether they wish to remain OUT OF the body politic of the United States or whether they wish to join it. The new body politic, though not ratified by the Constitution of the united States of America, is ratified BY EACH INDIVIDUAL, and that ratifiacation is only valid for THAT INDIVIDUAL. Being a member(citizen) of the United States is voluntary. It is a political matter for the individual, and this has ALWAYS been the juris prudence of these States, as worded within the Declaration of Independence:

"whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

The "people" have the right, individually or collectively, to alter their form of government. The Expatriation Act formally recognized and declared what already was.

The day after the Expatriation Act was declared passed, the 14th Amendment was declared ratified and effective. So the day before the New Government was established, the OLD GOVERNMENT declared that anyone who wanted to expatriate, that doing such was their Right, IF THAT WAS THEIR CHOICE TO DO SO. Each individual that Expatriated, OUT of their (foreign) State's citizenship, and joined the United States as a United States citizen was ratifying the 14th Amendment as an individual, FOR THEIR SELF AND FOR NO ONE ELSE.

If a State only had 10 people choose this new body politic, then the representation in that state would be reduced to reflect the total number in that State who had joined in relation to the TOTAL population of such State. If you participated in the ONGOING rebellion, then your vote was counted. If you did not, then you were not represented.

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Republicae's picture

Though we have yet to

ABSOLUTLY TEX!

Though we have yet to recognize it, it is the States, not a Branch of this federal regime, that our hope to regain the Republic rests! We must regain the States and through them enforce the terms of the Compact they made between themselves! We cannot trust the Executive, the Legislative or the Judicial Branches of this illegitimate federal regime to limit itself, to operate with in the boundries of those limitations or to even consider that it is limited. The Constituion is absolutely meaningless without the States, in their capacity as deputized Principals of the People, asserting their powers as Free, Independent and Sovereign States upon what was once merely their agent, the federal government. There is no hope in the Supreme Court standing consistently on the side of Liberty over the abuses of government, it is not where the ultimate decision is or must be made, it is within the States. The 10th Amendment is just as meaningless to the courts as all the others unless action, real, actual nullification is taken by the States to stand in the gap between a rouge federal government and the People of the States!

WE MUST REASSUME THE CITIZENSHIP OF OUR OWN COUNTRIES, THOSE BEING THE INDIVIDUAL STATES WHERE WE RESIDE, AND THE FLAGS OF OUR INDIVIDUAL COUNTRIES SHOULD BE THE FLAG FLYING OVER EACH OF THE FREE, SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT STATE REPUBLICS AND NOT THE FLAG OF A GOVERNMENT THAT WAS MERELY APPOINTED AS THE AGENT OF THE STATES!

Our battleground is the States, we must take each of the individual States! I know that will not be an easy task, but it is getting easier as this federal viper continues to spew venom. Their are more and more people waking from thier government enduced coma, the brush fires have been lit.

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"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

You are right

There is a big difference between being "one of the people of the several states" claiming your sovereign nature living in a Republic in which your rights are protected NEVER taken away even by due process. Then being "We the People" of the Constitution living in a democracy being a subject of the federal gov't where you have civil rights - privileges, that could be taken away from you anytime. Where you can be deprived of your life, liberty and property by due process.

As you allude to in your

As you allude to in your final, "Their are more and more people waking from thier government enduced coma, the brush fires have been lit. (my emphasis)

It is the people who are in rebellion against their de jure citizenship tha tmust regain the States. And that window could close. You and I have both talked here about the Expatriation Act. This Act has the intention of getting people to leave their de jure status and join the rebellion. But it is in fact a tow way door, you can also use it to LEAVE the rebellion. BUT...

I have noted that the Expatriation Act was the FINAL Act passed by the De jure government (The Republic), the FOLLOWING day the 14th Amendment was announced ratified and effective.

The Expatriation Act, AS PASSED BY THE OLD GOVERNMENT states:

"That any declaration, instruction, opinion, order, or decision of any officers of this government which denies, restricts, impairs, or questions the right of expatriation, is hereby declared inconsistent with the fundamental principles of this government.

However, once the New Government (the Democracy) took effect they REVISED the US Statutes at large.

When the Expatriation Act of 1868 was added to the Revised Statutes it was added as Section 1999 and it reads:

"Therefore any declaration, instruction, opinion, order, or decision of any officers of the United States which denies, restricts, impairs, or questions the right of expatriation, is hereby declared inconsistent with the fundamental principles of the Republic.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

To clarify my above post a

To clarify my above post a little...

The People ratified the 14th Amendment, though that is not the way an Amendment is ratified per the Law in Effect. This makes the CURRENT government a De Facto, not De jure. A de Facto government is a government "of fact", a dejure government is a lawful government.

"Insurgent" A person who rises in opposition to civil or political authority; one who openly and actively resists the execution of laws. [See Insurrection.] An insurgent differs from a rebel. The insurgent opposes the execution of a particular law or laws; the rebel attempts to overthrow or change the government, or he revolts and attempts to place his country under another jurisdiction. All rebels are insurgents, but all insurgents are not rebels. (Webster's 1828)

This Amendment was not lawfully ratified, therefore if one takes on the status of "United States Citizens", then that person is a rebel, and such person is in Rebellion against THE REPUBLIC.

This ONGOING rebellion creates the need for a POLICE STATE in which the United States Citizen is THE ENEMY. (see FDR's Trading with the Enemy Act) This ONGOING rebellion creates the need for the declaration of a STATE OF EMERGENCY.

The 14th Amendment 2nd clause:

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

This is a convoluted clause, as is the whole Amendment. Its important to break it down to understand what I would call a hidden meaning, yet its not hidden, it right there before your eyes.

First most would think that here they are talking about United States Citizens being able to vote, and that representation will be reduced if citizens are NOT allowed to vote. This is not true.

There are two political groups named here. One is the De jure citizen, the other is the Rebel citizen:
Group 1 De jure citizens: "male inhabitants" Group 2 Rebel Citizens: and citizens of the United States

So representation will be reduced, EXCEPT FOR participation in Rebellion or other crimes.

a) you cannnot vote unless you participate in the rebellion(must be a US Citizen to vote)
b)representation will be reduced if you are NOT allowed to vote, UNLESS you are a US CITIZEN (representation will be reduced if you are denied the right to vote, UNLESS you are denied BECAUSE you are a US citizen. If you are denied the right to vote BECAUSE you are a US Citizen, the Representation WILL NOT be reduced. If you are denied the Right to vote because you ARE NOT a rebel, ie. you are an inhabitant, then representation WILL be reduced. Therefore, only US Citizens(rebels) are represented in this government, as ALL non citizens are denied the right to vote.)

And then at the end of the Clause we again see the two groups being referred to separately:

"male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

"US Citizens shall bear to the whole number of State citizens in each State".

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Republicae's picture

Yes?..I've read The RED

Yes?..I've read The RED Amendment.

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"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

Yes, I have a fair memory and

Yes, I have a fair memory and know you have. I really didn't write it for you. No disrespect to you, only I know there is no more need to write such to you as there is to preach the word to Moses...hopefully it will strike at least a curiosity with those who think the 14th Amendment somehow protects their liberty.

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Republicae's picture

Oh, I am definitely in

Oh, I am definitely in agreement with you...keep preaching!

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"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

14th Amendment is what caused all this

14th amendment made everyone who BECAME a "US citizen" a slave. Before this nobody needed "papers"

Well...the slaves certainly

Well...the slaves certainly needed papers, check out the history of the slave and black codes.

What would be an example of

"insurrection and rebellion" of those holding office? The original intent of that part of this amendment was to keep former Confederates from being elected to public office. I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how that would be applied to current office holders.

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If you're having hard time to figure out about that

Ask yourself:

Per the Constitution, what was the sole purpose of the Government : to rule or serve the People ?

What is the meaning of the oath to the Constitution ?

Is it for the Government (a limited, closed subset of people) to USE the Constitution as they see fit for THEIR OWN interests ?

OR is it to CLAIM AND PROMISE TO PROTECT the faithful WORD AND APPLICATION of what the Constitution defines BY AND FOR THE People ?

I am rather baffled I am even asking these questions now.

Have the TRAITORS who betrayed YOU long ago, and continued to do so for long now, won already ?

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

One man's servant is another man's ruler, though.

Texas had a right to secede, and its 1860s Governor who fled when the North's own reconquistadors showed up still has not returned - he's buried in Mexico.

Republicae's picture

Every State had and has the

Every State had and has the right to secede from the union then and now, the war did not change the Constitution, nor did it change the fact that each State is Independent, Sovereign and Free! This Constitutional Compact, this Contract is between the States not between the States and the federal government, which is a creation of this agreement. When any party, meaning the other States abridge this agreement or when the federal government abuses and usurps authority and power that is not enumerated with that Contract, then the Contract is to be considered void and the parties of the Contract are no longer obligated to remain in such a partnership or federation. Since the abridgment of that Contract in the 1860s, the federal government has operated in an ever increasing degree of illegitimacy. The articles of the Compact have been violated, it is void.

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"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

Absolutely. Paul's adopted home was once sovereign,...

since Texas was a Republic from 1836-1845 (a feat among our states only Vermont & Hawai'i can claim), after Santa Anna broke the empresario contract rights. The federal government knew our view of contractual liberty meant we would infer secession rights, and didn't abridge this right under annexation terms. Fast forward, and the case denying secession rights is Texas v. White.

Basically, though, your first denial that the war changed this is a rebuke necessitated by the false claims to the contrary that "the Civil War decided..." Many such claimants would readily agree "might doesn't make right", but in this area they are not disillusioned by their own usual ethics. By that logic, might doesn't make right, but the European Grandees "decided" that the Sudetenland was justly German in the 1930s :P

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Texas v. White was just as

Texas v. White was just as much of a sham as the illegal war against The Sovereign States of the South, none other than Salmon P. Chase was Chief Justice. If it were decided otherwise then the veil of legitimacy would have been ripped off Lincoln's treason! Remember, the Constitution states that Treason is Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against THEM or in adhering to THEIR Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. Treason is leveying War against the States! Additionally, while the Lincoln constantly referred to the South as rebels and their cause as insurrection, the fact is that the federal government had already recognized the Confederate States of America as an foreign country by entering into various agreements with the Confederacy, making the invasion and the coastal blockade also illegal under certain international laws of the period.

Even my GG Grandfather's Pardon from being a prisoner of war after the Fall of Vicksburg clearly recognizes that he fought for The Confederate States Of America, not that he was in rebellion against The United States of America. Terms of his pardon was that he lay down arms, he did lay them down in Vicksburg, but he picked them up again in Tennessee!

Thus, The Confederate States of America was legally recognized as an Independent entity, an independent country, at least on paper, by the government of the U.S.

The illegal invasion by Lincoln, along with his utter transformation of what was once a Constituional Republic, laid the foundation for every federal usurpation of power since then!

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"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

+1

+1

While the statement, "might

While the statement, "might doesn't make right" is a true statement, it is also a true statement that "might makes reality". So while might may not make right, might does make reality. As they say, the world isn't always fair...

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People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence