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Time for the Ron Paul Campaign to GROW UP or Drop Out & Run as A Third Party

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The Ron Paul campaign prides itself on its grass roots support.

This is a fine concept and lends legitimacy to the campaign.

Grass roots support and marketing works for the Grateful Dead and small businesses but it does not cut it for a national REVOLution-not if it intends to win the Republican nomination. (the question I address later is whether the RP campaign is barking up the wrong tree trying to get the Republican nomination)

It is appalling that the campaign which in large part prides itself on personal responsibility and that knows the MSM is corrupt and bought then turns into a collective of sniveling whiners when the MSM they detest doesn't cover them.

"we don't get any coverage" BOO HOO.

Whose fault is that?

A lot of it is the Ron Paul campaign's fault. You don't just issue press releases and expect reporters to cover your story. You have to cultivate relationships with reporters.

If you draw huge crowds to events and reporters don't show up and cover the story you'd better have your own top notch videographer and film editor on staff to produce a record of the events so your press people can get the videos in the hands of key reporters to stir interest and coverage.

Don't expect the grass roots to be able to produce top notch media quality videos with their handheld iphones. And don't expect reporters to troll You tube for cool grainy Ron Paul videos.

Complaining about lack of coverage is not an effective strategy to get coverage. You need to work to get it. Not everyone loves Ron Paul or his message like we do. Indeed many are unaware of it.

We may all find it endearing that Ron Paul takes to the stage with out notes and then talks for an hour about common themes-federal reserve, raw milk,liberty, gold, income tax, sound money, cut a trillion dollars, silver, etc in no apparent order.

HOWEVER, the press can't follow the ramblings of the good doctor. A pre release of at least the talking points that RP is going to cover would help. Better yet highlight and save for these large crowd events major new proposals that RP is going to make-cut a trillion dollars, introduce new legislation to repeal a bill etc.

Allowing Ron Paul to go on stage and talk about whatever he wants and risk not being heard because you changed the venue from indoors and weren't prepared to have adequate acoustics for an out door event (as happened last night in Berkeley)is not the hallmark of a campaign that is up to the task to win.

If the RP campaign want to win the Republican nomination, then it must up its campaign game and not leave it all to the grass roots.

If, however, the Ron Paul campaign is not willing to play the game and believes it needs to operate outside of the system as it knows all the current systems -banking, media, republican party- are corrupt and working against them and doesn't want to play by their rules, then the choice is clear- Grow up, stop complaining and RUN AS A THIRD PARTY.

Run as a third party and formally eschew the MSM;
Run as a third party and help bring down the corrupt two party system who both support the welfare/warfare state and the Federal Reserve that helps pay for it all;
Run as a third party and rely solely on grass roots support.

Many people who support Ron Paul for his anti-establishment views can't get themselves to register as republicans to vote for him.

Run as a third party and gain these voters' support.

A third party run, while it would face many obstacles, would place Ron Paul in the position of clearly being the leader of the REVOLution.

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I sure miss the good old Grateful Dead

I gues I'm just OLD, unlike many here who are far younger than me. I first registered as a Libertarian in 1976 under the influence of NORML ads in Playboy Magazine.. I really thought we had a chance then... I really thought a third party had a chance... all the way until 1992, when I was a precinct inspector for Los Angeles County. Perot and Jerry Brown were the favorites in my precinct. Imagine my horror when at 5 minutes after 8 PM, there I was in a long line waiting to drop off the locked box of 10K uncounted votes, when Tom Brokaw annouced Bill Clinton winner. I looked at all the cars behind me, and thought about all the cars in CA, NV, AZ, OR, WA, HI and thought,,, how the hell did Clinton win???

That's how I met Ralph Nader. I didn't like Ralph Nader, being a Libertarian, but I respected Nader for being willing to challange the government, so I registered Decline to State Party in 1993, and for the next three elections, I worked for Nader's campaigns on Ballor Access laws in several states. I petitioned people, "Do you believe an Independent candidate has the right to be on the ballot?" YES YES YES!! Everyone says YES.. and then I present a petition with RALPH NADER and people go NO NO NO.. we made ballot access and 22 law suits in seventeen states, needed SEVEN third parties to get ballot access on 49 states (Oklahoma won't go there). The law suits were to bankrupt the campaign, and if that was not bad enough, you should have seen the dirty tricks. I found out that the Dempocrats and Republicans LOVE to team up against third parties and Indys, and they are BRUTAL.. false arrests galore, theft, vandalism, lies cheats.. they personally attacked petitioners, stalked them, hurt people and the police would LAUGH,,, no one, not the media, no one came to help... you went to jail.. TOUGH SHIT! There's your sign. Many of us went to jail... a coupde of friends of mine went to jail 189 times over the years fighting for ballot access. They refused to leave, refused to stop petitioning, refused to go away. many considered them HEROS because they fought for freedom... back in those days we could and we did have accounts to bail people out.. now that is illegal.

When I found out Ron paul was running in 07... I prayed to God he would go Indy. I was ready to help him.. I had connections with 36 third parties from my work with Nader.. Oh how I wished Ron paul would go Indy. I went to San Francisco, met kent Snyder and Ron paul, and I begged, bribed, pleaded Ron paul to go Indy... NOPE he said.. "This is a fight to restore the Republic and we do that in the Republican Party.. which we can take back. Join the GOP, join me. NO WAY. I LOVE YOU RON PAUL but there's NO uckin' way I would ever join the GOP!

My bad.

I regret not joining the GOP. It was the stupidest thing of my political career. I finally joined the GOP last year and I'm LOVING IT. I was SOOOOO Stupid, SOOOO brainwashed, MSM had me convinced, Ron paul did not have me convinced, but once I joined and began going to meetings.. I found out Ron paul was RIGHT ON! and MSM was, as usual, FOS.

It didn't take me long to get Republicans to sign my petition to be on the Republican Central Committee. Now I have POWER.. MORE POWER than I have ever had. I'm going to tampa to nominate Ron Paul.. I'm being groomed for future elections. My whole life has changed for the better. I'm on the inside and for the first time in my life I'm in a position to make the changes I want to live.

Did I say I regret not joining the GOP sooner? It's so true. I can't stree it enough. MSM LIED about the GOP. MY LOSS. Ron Paul was RIGHT ON. God Bless Ron Paul.. and Ralph Nader, for Ralph Nader showed me, there's NO WAY a third party or Independent is going to win.. ever.

So if you have not heard Ron Paul, he's asking you join the GOP to support him. Lucky you, people like me have broken the ice.. you're not even on the front line anymore,, just joining your Ron Paul buddies who heard Ron Paul and followed him into the GOP. Now it's YOUR TURN to join the GOP and our rEVOLution. Ron paul is a wise man, and he chose the GOP for a damn good reason (no one is home and they have way more power than any third party or Indy will ever have.

So get the cajones to do the right thing and get in the good fight FOR Ron paul rEVOLution.

Third party? Indy? Been there, done that... wasted my life doing that. Now it's time to get real... join me and Ron paul in the GOP. We need you, they don't, they cheat, we don't.

Post this sgain separately as

Post this sgain separately as it needs some visability. More people need to see this.

Now it's about the Constitution and the fight to defend it.

Wow! Super!

I am impressed.

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Great comments thanks

You are right we CAN win within the republican party but only if we run a full steam professional campaign and are determined to take over the republican party
A vast majority of republicans think RP cant win even though general polls say he can.
WHY-we cant even reach republicans because they see us as a bunch of unfocused pot smoking college kids who can't take a decent hand held iphone video!

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Another third party push=

idiot idea yet again.

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Did you even read the content at the beginning??

Don't even bring the 3rd party part into the discussion.

Did you not even read his points about the failures and the flaws in the campaign so far?

Or are you so quick to downvote and be offended and thin-skinned about the weaknesses, not to recognize them??

Seriously!

~Chris
Norfolk, Va

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Yes I read them and I responded.

He's advocating a third party push, I don't care what else he says.

Everyone and their grandma has the perfect PR ideas but guess what? They don't give a damn about us ans they won't report on us unless they feel it's in their best interest to do so.

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"I don't care what else he says" Wow.

Folks....this is precisely the problem here. We have enough people who are willing to accept the herd or schooling mentality...and truly...they like ostriches...put their head in the sand and say: "I don't care what else he says."

THIS is a real part of the problem.

You have drama queens like this who are not willing to be told their make-up is bad and they need to change it and their hairdo is too flouncey...and then they storm off the stage in a tizzy.

Nothing is solved. Just more emo bullshit.

And now this "we-are-a-discriminated-against-minority, victim-mentality" crap on top of that!

If it weren't funny, it would be disgusting. But its funny all right.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Might as well just admit you are brain washed if...

someone challenges the narrative that you have been taught to believe (ron paul or any one else) and you shut down any opposing, contradicting or challenging thoughts.

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I don't care because it doesn't matter.

No matter what you do to try and promote him through the media.. it won't work so none of what he said will truly help.

Tell you what fuckstick.. You and your independent thinkers get off of your ass and pull it off.

I'll be there to say "I told you that you were wasting your time" when you get done. Go on now.. Show us how much the wolf you really are. Go get'm fido or you could just mentally jerk off some more.

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Work it, girl!

Get all that frustration out and get your cry on.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

You wish you little bitch lol

You like to imagine people getting all upset over what you say don't you. :)

You ladies get your high heels on and get to selling that ass an run for local political seats, become delegates and so on. That's how we're going to win.

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Kinda funny

So I have been like very getting my butt kicked with reality for the last two days. I sign in and pick out the most controversial thread on the DP and it reads "You wish you liitle bitch lol" Unfriggen real,Lol. Truly your title got me,Lol.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

LOL

Freedom of speech baby!!! Gotta love it. :)

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Thanks for the run the other day

I Had a great time with the "hot" debate!,LOL! Really!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Yeah that was a blast.

:)

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As busy as I have been...

For the last few days with serious stuff,I keep stopping to laugh my butt off about it.Lol. Only on the Daily Paul!Lol!.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I'm glad you got some entertainment from it lol

She had a real hardon for that word. Holy cow. :)

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I am so glad we were all so...

Politically correct. What? this is the DP! this is the movement! Lol. What a sad bunch we are right? LOL. In reality during that whole thing there was more respect shared than on any other political website I have ever seen. We are a family here even if we don't want it. Too bad, we are what we are! LOL. Yeah it was fun. Thanks for being such an asshole.LOL!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

That's like thanking a possum

for being a possum but I'll take it. :)

You're welcome.

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Lol!

Honesty and no hangups!,Lol. Really we need more of this in this world. It would be a better place. Thanks for not "sweating the small stuff". It is just a word and you realize there was no harm intended with my comment. Thank you.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Absolutely, my fellow Patriot.

:)

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Do you feel better now after getting all that venom out?

I changed my voting district just so that I could become a delegate.

This is not just a delegate thing however.

This is WAR.

For the Constitution.
For Lady Liberty.
For our Republic and our freedoms.
For our children.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

A delegate thing is all it is at the moment.

I feel the same way I did before I said all of that. Satisfied. :)

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We are agreeing

I wrote in the original post:"If the campaign is at the point where they realize the system is corrupt and knows all the current systems -banking, media, republican party- are corrupt and working against them and doesn't want to play by their rules, then the choice is clear- Grow up, stop complaining and RUN AS A THIRD PARTY."
I would add that its hypocritical to try to enlist the support of a system you detest.

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No we aren't agreeing on your latest post.

Running third party isn't an option not even as an "if" (I swear I'm not suggesting it as an idea).

You haven't been paying attention. We are taking over the GOP, even IF he doesn't win, it's happening. Right now in front of your eyes. You so called "individual thinkers" are having trouble seeing what's really going on.

Here, let me paraphrase your ideas.

Let's get the MSM to help us with some new ideas I have.
(Thanks for coming up with these "new ideas" but we've just had a convo with them and they say go fuck yourselves, we are owned and know where our bread is buttered)

Dr.Paul needs to stop pointing out the truth that they aren't getting coverage.
(He needs to shut his trap and go third party instead of exposing the corruption of the MSM every chance he gets)

Answer from MSM: Please send us your ideas and we'll get back to you.

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you could be and

i hope are right...

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Why do you think they're breaking their own the rules

to get delegates away from us?

It's not going to matter for multiple reasons. If they ignore us or pull these dirty tricks they'll lose the election.

They're still losing their party. We have people in almost every state running for local governments and as state representatives. They've moved into positions in the GOP as well and as long as we stay committed to them, stay in the GOP, we'll force a change.

As for delegates, we're in second place as of now but we have more than one delegate plan that's being worked.

See, I'm not worried about the MSM anymore. Know why? Because I've seen his rally size grow even after being ignored by them. It's going to continue to grow as well and the more they fuck us over both them and the GOP the more people will see what's happening and become angry.

So let them try and steal the election by changing the rules and let the MSM ignore us. It's working fine, not as great as it would be if they were helping us but seriously.. why would we think they would want to.

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"I don't care what else he says."

"I don't care what else he says."
Fairly open minded of you! :-)
I am NOT advocating a third party run -I am saying that we are not winning with the current strategy BECAUSE we are running as if we were a third party constantly whining about the disrespect we get from our own party and from the media.

I am advocating getting a more professional campaign to play within the system
Failing that then a third party run makes more sense.

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That below shows me how clueless you are about what is

really going on.

"I am saying that we are not winning with the current strategy BECAUSE we are running as if we were a third party constantly whining about the disrespect we get from our own party and from the media.

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