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LA Times: 110,000+ ACTIVE Duty Military on Psychotropics! Sgt. Robert Bales was also allegedly taking 'em.

"Four military psychiatrists concluded that Burke suffered from "polysubstance-induced delirium" brought on by alcohol, lack of sleep and the 40 milligrams of Dexedrine he was issued by the Air Force."

"In a small but growing number of cases across the nation, lawyers are blaming the U.S. military's heavy use of psychotropic drugs for their clients' aberrant behavior and related health problems..."

A fog of drugs and war

More than 110,000 active-duty Army troops last year took antidepressants, sedatives and other prescription medications. Some see a link to aberrant behavior.

By Kim Murphy, Los Angeles Times | April 7, 2012, 3:24 p.m.

SEATTLE — U.S. Air Force pilot Patrick Burke's day started in the cockpit of a B-1 bomber near the Persian Gulf and proceeded across nine time zones as he ferried the aircraft home to South Dakota.

Every four hours during the 19-hour flight, Burke swallowed a tablet of Dexedrine, the prescribed amphetamine known as "go pills." [Puhleeze, let's call it what it really is: BigPharma-approved SPEED] After landing, he went out for dinner and drinks with a fellow crewman. They were driving back to Ellsworth Air Force Base when Burke began striking his friend in the head.

"Jack Bauer told me this was going to happen — you guys are trying to kidnap me!" he yelled, as if he were a character in the TV show "24."

When the woman giving them a lift pulled the car over, Burke leaped on her and wrestled her to the ground. "Me and my platoon are looking for terrorists," he told her before grabbing her keys, driving away and crashing into a guardrail.

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Supposedly the alleged perpetrator of the recent Afghan Massacre Sgt. Robert Bales was also on psychotropics.

"If ever there was a case of "temporary insanity" this is it! It also shows temporary insanity in those who sent him three times to Iraq and finally to the killing fields of Afghanistan."

Sgt Bales: Army Sacrifice of a Good Soldier

Dr. Phil Leveque Salem-News.com | Apr-08-2012 14:59

Irrationality and irresponsibility...

(MOLALLA, OR) - In Army command philosophy, it is always the lowest ranking person who is at fault and gets the blame. In this case, commanders up to the rank of regimental colonels are guilty of irrationality and irresponsibility. Just remember it was all Sgt Bale's fault...

From WWII medical experience, the Army medical service knew that about 150 days of combat was all that a combat soldier could tolerate- before acquiring the 'thousand yard stare' of the burned-out PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) soldier. With this knowledge, (ha ha ha) why was Sgt Bales sent to one of that war's hottest hot spots? It could have taken much less than that posting to set him off on a temporary insanity binge. His walking out of a relatively safe heavily defended outpost in the middle of the night in one of the most dangerous and lethal spots, is totally irrational. No soldier in his right mind would even consider it. He did it twice!

It is likewise totally irrational that all of his immediate superiors; sgt's or looeys (Lieutenants) did not see telltale signs of stress. The Army and everyone in it knows that about 350,000 Middle east Veterans do have treatable PTSD and should never be placed in a hazardous, lethal zone with loaded weapons. Stuff like this has happened before... We also have a whole bunch of Army doctors and other medical providers who don't seem to have a clue about diagnosing or caring for PTSD victims. If you don't believe it, consider that we have about 1000 PTSD suicides per year and about 200,000 are homeless because of inadequate care by the Army and the VA.

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Antidepressant Drugs Causing Epidemic of Mania, Mayhem and Murder

America’s addiction to dangerous SSRI’s hits crisis levels

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Infowars.com
Monday, April 9, 2012

The alleged shooting of a police officer in Austin by a man taking the anti-anxiety drug Xanax is just one of a plethora of recent incidents fueled by anti-depressant pharmaceuticals – an epidemic of mania that has swept the country.

Mary O’Dell, the mother of 24-year-old Brandon Montgomery Daniel told the Associated Press that her son’s role in the fatal shooting of Austin Senior Police Officer Jaime Padron was fueled by alcohol and psychotropic drugs.

“She said she talked with her son Thursday evening, and that he had been taking the prescription anti-anxiety drug Xanax and drinking tequila,” reports AP. “Hours later, Padron was fatally shot at a Walmart while trying to subdue a potentially intoxicated man who was later identified as Daniel, investigators said. Two employees tackled and disarmed him, then held him until help arrived.”

O’Dell added that Daniel was not even aware of what had taken place because “he was under the influence of tequila and Xanax.”

This is just one of a spate of shocking incidents over recent years in which Xanax and other similar pharmaceuticals have played a central role in triggering random violence and mania.

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Prescribed drugs 'to blame over spate of violence among US soldiers'

Psychologists have blamed a surge in random acts of violence among US soldiers on the heavy use of prescribed medicines by the American military.

By Amy Willis, Los Angeles | 11:38AM BST 09 Apr 2012

More than 110,000 Army personnel were given antidepressants, narcotics, sedatives, antipsychotics and anti-anxiety drugs while on duty last year, according to new figures by the US Army Surgeon General.

The figures indicate an eightfold increase in martial drug use since 2005, with nearly 8 per cent of servicemen and women on sedatives and 6 per cent on antidepressants.

“We have never medicated our troops to the extent we are doing now … And I don’t believe the current increase in suicides and homicides in the military is a coincidence,” Bart Billings, a former military psychologist and combat stress expert, told the Los Angeles Times.

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The Following is My personal Assessment based on a conversation below on War, PTSD, the PANDEMIC of CopThuggery in Amerika post-9/11, a pattern of former 'Major League DoorKickers' (aside from how that patch single-handedly best summarizes the entire nature of brazen smugness of the perpetrators for the police state, in somewhat sarcastically irreverent gallows hardy har har, as many veterans often express themselves in war times, some of their 'morale patches' and products, I actually dig) becoming local cops and SWAT without ever being treated for PTSD or 'decompressing' prior to re-entering Civilian Life (for some it's actually the 1st 'real' job since joining the military since they were 17~18yo; all they know about the 'real' world was structured around the State Socialism) Militarization of Police, the very fundamental notion that we even 'need' a police force:

Even in a public pop culture as crass as ours, for the most part people still get that it's wrong to steal, harm, assault, or murder another person, that is until the State tells you otherwise, as long as you do it for them, then you have free reign.

The problem with military psychology in context of human physiology is the unspoken: once the switch to kill goes on, it's hard to shut off; the best one can hope for is 'decompress' before re-entering civilian life.

Frankly it's to be expected: when you're raised to view killing another human soul is illegal, yet one does it for the State, even IF it were a legitimately a Constitutional defensive war, the body simply goes into a schizophrenic breakdown.

But the internal rationalization NEVER stops. It's always gonna be with that person. It's just how one deals with it. The REASON why people really have PTSD is either participating in, or witnessing something that they ALL universally KNOW as being wrong. And like all guilt, it catches up with you. You can regret it, but it'll never change the fact that you did it, or saw viscerally someone else committing it. And like second hand smoking, it's stained you, forever.

But the REAL "UnSpeakable?" Like any activity that humans do for prolonged periods, we all justify it to make it seem like it's worth doing it, simply BECAUSE WE are doing it, regardless of what type of work. Added to that, the stress stimulant.

When the human body is under enormous stress, like worrying about when the ground below is about to blow up and rip your legs to shreds, or have bullet whizzing by your head, the heightened emotional state that you experience in stress becomes reinforced, not too unlike how any form of addiction works: endorphin is released signaling your brain and body that such activities are enjoyable.

Thus once the high is established, the body seeks to re-satisfy it, or match the last heightened state. And, so starts the never ending cycle of trying to one-up that last time. And as ANY hunter would tell you, when you chase ANYTHING LIVING/ALIVE, it's a rush. And the biggest open secret is that once you get used to 'hunting' humans, it's hard to find an equal high.

THAT is what the military CANNOT tell the public, even in the brazenly crass degenerate society we've turned into; much in the way they rationalize ANY insanity of the state, they have to PR all they can to seem like an organization specifically DESIGNED to KILL living beings, is somehow moral, just, and can be remorseful. Would they ever have the balls to put on their enlistment poster: "killing is fun. it's a lasting high you'll never want to get rid of!"

It's no secret that the reason WHY we have a PANDEMIC of copthuggery in Amerika post-9/11 isn't that they suddenly turned on the God-complex button in them recently, though obviously an authoritarian statist infrastructure has such tendencies built in. But the real reason is because as you've stated, "the most violent psychos will wind up on your local police department after they get out of the military," WITHOUT ever being treated for PTSD, or 'decompressing.'

I mean, if you were a servicemen/women knowingly or unknowingly working for the NWO Wall St. Military Industrial Complex-funding Banksters who have HIJACKED our R3Pulbic and while in Iraq/AfPak or any other 'theaters' of the equally Hollyweird-Z-script named GWoT (Global War on Terror), and had free reigns to kick down ANY Iraqi's/Afghani's/Pakistani's, etc.'s door in the middle of the night, and can murder anyone on whim and get away with it by saying that the young male at the house that you just raided at 4am had an AK (who in Iraq or AfPak DON'T have an AK?) and were reaching for it (kinda like the same excuse that you hear many cops use these days. Or as they call plantable drop weapons: "ham sandwiches"), and come back home and become a cop and some grandma gives you lip for pulling her over, what wouldn't you think you can't do?

Frankly, other than for genuine detectives who investigate fraud, kidnapping, brutal assault (not spitting, glittering, breathing, or anything that can be characterized as bitchslapping or 'fisticuffs,' I mean blatant bruising/large tissue damage, broken bones, etc), torture, rape, murder, BombSquad/HRT (genuine Hostage Rescue Team, NOT SWAT), CSI (though completely private and independent labs are preferable, CSI labs are bound to be corporatist statist by design, still there's way too much built in conflict of interest with ANY govt run lab that works directly with the investigator involved. According to DNA experts, it's often A LOT easier to plant and falsify DNA evidence than fingerprints! I've linked SF CSI lab scandal on DP before, if interested), and crime scene security, it's high time we literally ELIMINATED the entire notion that a free society "needs" police.

2nd Amendment, private detectives, CSI labs is the way to go. It's abominable to call it a free society when you can have another human being initiate force against you unjustly but be able to get away with it, as long as the cop can stretch the limits of the BS rationale fitting the non-crime. These days, like any negotiator, they simply tack on layers and layers of charges, and see what sticks, even IF you're completely innocent, unless you can get yourself out of it or by your lawyer, they can care less whether they charge you for 2nd degree murder in a completely unrelated case for what should amount to a charge for shoplifting a candy at the local grocery, or not.

Frankly we've NEVER had 'police' in our Republic (in the modern sense), until the early part of 20th century. We've only had Sheriffs. The very notion of police force is abominable; the idea that some statist goon would literally walk around adjudicating what he/she thinks is 'just' or not, has the power to kidnap, torture or murder you, worse, get away with it.

The reason why even in a purely practical sense that policing doesn't work is that by the precise nature of the fact that there can NEVER be enough cops to police everyone, thus everything the 'system' does IS selective.

If a cop watches 50 drivers that go 40mph over the 'speed limit' how is it fair, or just to only punish ONE of the 50 that he can pull over to ticket or arrest? Aside from the fact that humans are not robots, everything they do is by definition, can ONLY be a selective enforcement. Thus they're picking and choosing WHOM they should go after, EVERY day. Which then by nature becomes a political decision, not a scientific or objective one.

So perhaps the economic collapse would be the best way, as their entire pension system will crumble. No lasting pay incentive? Then, even bullies have their limits. I pray that EVERY PD in the country follow the way of Maywood, CA.

Our entire current PD model is based on the London, UK's "Metropolitan Police Services"-model, which got exported to NYPD, then to the rest of the country. It's the last vestige of the English colonial system that they've perfected in their colonies, like India.

We need to ERADICATE this nonsense, once and for all and abolish the very notion of a police force being 'necessary.'

Though IF we were to have them in the most limited sense even by minarchist standards, the ONLY ones the police SHOULD be allowed to go after, are those IN govt. The way it was intended to be.

State govts check Feds, Feds check the States.

But cops should ideally be NEVER used against the citizenry, other than for the instances I described above (fraud, assault, rape, murder, etc), as any problem arising between the citizenry: they're NONE of govt's business! But going after govt corruption whether the perpetrator is from the Fed/State/local govt, SHOULD be.

WILL we get there, even beyond PRESIDENT Paul?

Remains to be seen.

People still love the idea in the indirect abstract that 'someone ELSE taking care of the bad guys' while they sleep. Frankly no different delusion as the liberals' notion that some Federal agency, simply by existing, we'd automatically get, on more specifically based on a liberal statist's worldview, 'govt would GIVE us' 'safe' milk, medicine, cars, toys, environment, or whatever.

Laws and govt agencies are only there to give a false sense of assurance/security. That's why in the purely selfish sense, if we were to have govt, that it'd be for a 'collectivized' defense, against FOREIGNERS, so they get the brunt of the monopoly of force of govt, not to have it turned back against its own citizenry.

Though ironically throughout history, every economic powerhouse ends up doing just that, as a strong economy is the only reason why a militant state can grow, and because by nature of economic might and how much it can invest into more advanced technologies than poorer nations, they inevitably become the overwhelming top dog, and run out of countries to conquer and colonize, until it eventually realizes that the richest one to steal from is the country of their origin, which inevitably is always followed by a revolution, civil war, and decline. Then like clockwork the sick cycle repeats itself, again, and again, as history clearly teaches us.

How grown ass 'adults' can't see this is truly beyond me.

The ONLY path to freedom is to De-Centralize EVERYTHING. Frankly, our econ circumstances alone may just force that to happen, as no tyranny in the history of the world stopped itself, FROM itself. An outside factor or circumstance always forced their hand into an utter collapse or a change.

Don't know... will Americans be able to come out the current econ malaise and geopolitical pigsty with a better, more graver understanding that a de-centralized society is ALWAYS more preferable, and necessary for a society to be more free?

Well 1/2 the population SEEMS to state as much, but frankly only do so because the opposition do not wear their political stripes; they don't disagree out of fundamental philosophical differences. So it's still down to those of us, the 17~25% of us who are R3VOL, independent, apathetic, who feel that way. And even among that number, how many do you suppose would be open to the idea that we should not have a 'police force' as we know it today??

The number of people who can be identified as a true Market Anarchist has got to be less than 5% of the American population, if not even less than 1%, as even among most libertarians, they're barely even real minarchists.

So the road seems bumpy. But who knows? If Maywood, CA can happen, anything is possible.



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I came upon this post

...late last night, while listening to Dr Joyce Riley on George Noory's show: Coast to Coast AM.com, and the coincidentiality (is that a word?) of the moment siezed me!

Joyce's comments were earth shattering and worth repeating here. She talks about the Dept of Defense (DOD) creating a "PERFECT STORM" for the killings, puzzlement and anguish inflicted upon us all due to the "constant war mentality", and the tools used by DOD to perpetuate such.
I say "us all" because my son is a former Marine, and like many of us, this scenario indirectly/directly affects us all.

"And here's what calls for The Perfect Storm, for someone to go out and do exactly what's happenning now":

Extrememe Agitation, Agression, Anxiety,...
They have Insomnia, Hostility, Nervousness,Agitation, Headaches, all these things,
PLUS:
They're away from their families, They see on Facebook that "she's talking to another man",
They get worried, "What's happening to my family",
they can't do anything about it.
They're vulnerable, they're frightened, they're in dangerous situations.
So what we do is, we get them drugs, that will let them be more agressive, they're carrying a loaded weapon..
They are rewarded for agression many times..
They've got this fatigue, and the pain..
They may be suffering side effects from:
The Vaccines, Poor Food, Depleted Uranium,
They're told:
"Suck it up troops, if you wqanna be a real man, a real Marine"...and in their place ....
Prozac, Seraphim, Oxycodone,...
And the big, horrible one that is creating a lot of problems:
ADAVAN (?)
...So, they are being prebscribed "in country" for these troops that are already on the edge, and we can't expect anything else than for them to do exactly what those drugs will cause them to do.
And Now A New Diagnosis:
"POLY-SUBSTANCE-INDUCED-DELIRIUM"
For more info:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/04/09
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/
http://www.thepowerhour.com/index.html
Dr Joyce Riley is a fellow patriot...Thanks Doc!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Regarding PTSD, recent

Regarding PTSD, recent research has shown that a major factor in it is NOT adequately medicating for pain after a trauma. Using opiates until healing is advanced apparently prevents it, or at least severely limits the probability and/or severity. (Seems to me that's reasonable: The brain SHOULD be wired so that you get desperate to avoid repeating a situation that nearly crippled or killed you and left you in agony for weeks. Especially if it happens several times, or you see it happening repeatedly to others around you who are behaving the same way you did before the trauma.)

So the combination of judgement affecting drugs with inadequate painkilling after an injury is a recipe for it. Is it any wonder that we didn't see all that much of it (under different names before it became so common) from the discovery of anaesthesia and painkillers until the Drug War started jailing doctors for prescribing "too much" "controlled substance" pain killer, leading the doctors to systematically underprescribe for pain?

Amphetamines and opiates ran WW II and Korea. Multiple psychotropics and inadequate painkillers have been the rule since Vietnam. Which veterans were returned to society mostly functional and which became crazed street people?

(And yes, I know that there are other factors, too. Like having a cause you can believe in. Or prevailing.)

= = = =
"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

I am quite sure it is even more common that you think

Just look at the statistics - guys doing 2-3 YEARS of combat tours. And the PTSD is usually not triggered until they come home - why? Because when you are in the military - espescially Marines and Army Infantry - you are surrounded and brainwashed with the idea of being a killing machine and it is encouraged and drilled into you. That works great when you are in combat - you thrive off of it - it builds you up. You do horrible things in the name of greatness. Then you come home and you are at a party and people talk of what animals these people on TV are - what kind of a human being can just kill someone(of course they are talking of some local news story about some person being murdered). And the party goers all chime in with talk 0f - they should just kill these animals with no trial - they are this and that. Then the soldier thinks back to all the killing he did - and while he was there it all made sense but now the talk from these people makes him do one of two things - fall into depression for fealing guilty of commiting much worse acts upon people - or he gets angry. This was not such a problem in WWII since the enemy was clear and the war was as just as a war can be - the soldiers knew in there hearts it was necessary. Not so in every war since. Korea- pointless, Vietnam - even more pointless, the first Iraq war - a royal ass kicking with minimal fighting, the war on terror. These wars go against the very moral fiber of which we bring our children up. It is easier to feel just about killing a German soldier, wearing a uniform, having taken an oath to a maniac than it is to kill people who are just defending their homes against a foreign occupying army. You realize that the people you are killing are YOU - they are you defending your home and town from invaders - they are people who want to just live life - free or not(and frankly we are no more free than these countries so we should stop kidding oursleves). That is a hard pill to swallow. So they give you a better pill to swallow - and make you live guinee pigs for the Pharma companies.

Not surprised...

If the TV commercials are any indication, doctors prescribe this trash like it was vitamins.

I can't believe no one raises a stink about the commercials that say "Ask your doctor about how __________ can help you!" I honestly cannot imagine telling the doctor "I saw this commercial about delicious drugs... can you help?!?!"

abuse

this is abuse in the name of nationalism, exceptionalism and national security. soldiers are human beings, not robots !

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Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

Okay. The evidence and the statistics are out there.

Our service men and women have to learn to JUST SAY NO! Smoke some weed if you have to but stay away from the military industrial complexes alter ego- big pharma. Honestly, this breaks my heart. God help us all.

~Your perception becomes your reality~

Too bad they can't.

Too bad they can't.

Probably the most violent

Probably the most violent psychos will wind up on your local police department after they get out of the military.

unfortunately, they already have, they already are.

even in a public pop culture as crass as ours, for the most part people still get that it's wrong to steal, harm, assault, or murder another person, that is until the State tells you otherwise, as long as you do it for them, then you have free reign.

The problem with military psychology in context of human physiology is the unspoken: once the switch to kill goes on, it's hard to shut off; the best one can hope for is 'decompress' before re-entering civilian life.

Frankly it's to be expected: when you're raised to view killing another human soul is illegal, yet one does it for the State, even IF it were a legitimately a Constitutional defensive war, the body simply goes into a schizophrenic breakdown.

But the internal rationalization NEVER stops. It's always gonna be with that person. It's just how one deals with it. The REASON why people really have PTSD is either participating in, or witnessing something that they ALL universally KNOW as being wrong. And like all guilt, it catches up with you. You can regret it, but it'll never change the fact that you did it, or saw viscerally someone else committing it. And like second hand smoking, it's stained you, forever.

But the REAL "UnSpeakable?" Like any activity that humans do for prolonged periods, we all justify it to make it seem like it's worth doing it, simply BECAUSE WE are doing it, regardless of what type of work. Added to that, the stress stimulant.

When the human body is under enormous stress, like worrying about when the ground below is about to blow up and rip your legs to shreds, or have bullet whizzing by your head, the heightened emotional state that you experience in stress becomes reinforced, not too unlike how any form of addiction works: endorphin is released signaling your brain and body that such activities are enjoyable.

Thus once the high is established, the body seeks to re-satisfy it, or match the last heightened state. And, so starts the never ending cycle of trying to one-up that last time. And as ANY hunter would tell you, when you chase ANYTHING LIVING/ALIVE, it's a rush. And the biggest open secret is that once you get used to 'hunting' humans, it's hard to find an equal high.

THAT is what the military CANNOT tell the public, even in the brazenly crass degenerate society we've turned into; much in the way they rationalize ANY insanity of the state, they have to PR all they can to seem like an organization specifically DESIGNED to KILL living beings, is somehow moral, just, and can be remorseful. Would they ever have the balls to put on their enlistment poster: "killing is fun. it's a lasting high you'll never want to get rid of!"

It's no secret that the reason WHY we have a PANDEMIC of copthuggery in Amerika post-9/11 isn't that they suddenly turned on the God-complex button in them recently, though obviously an authoritarian statist infrastructure has such tendencies built in. But the real reason is because as you've stated, "the most violent psychos will wind up on your local police department after they get out of the military," WITHOUT ever being treated for PTSD, or 'decompressing.'

I mean, if you had free reigns to kick down ANYONE's door in the middle of the night, and can murder anyone on whim and get away with it by saying that the young male at the house that you just raided at 4am had an AK (which they all practically do) and were reaching for it (kinda like the same excuse that you hear many cops use these days. Or as they call plantable drop weapons: "ham sandwiches"), and come back home and become a cop and some grandma gives you lip for pulling her over, what wouldn't you think you can't do?

Frankly, other than for genuine detectives who investigate fraud, kidnapping, brutal assault (not spitting, glittering, breathing, or anything that can be characterized as bitchslapping or 'fisticuffs,' I mean blatant bruising/large tissue damage, broken bones, etc), torture, rape, murder, BombSquad/HRT (genuine Hostage Rescue Team, NOT SWAT), CSI (though completely private and independent labs are preferable, CSI labs are bound to be corporatist statist by design, still there's way too much built in conflict of interest with ANY govt run lab that works directly with the investigator involved. According to DNA experts, it's often A LOT easier to plant and falsify DNA evidence than fingerprints! I've linked SF CSI lab scandal on DP before, if interested), and crime scene security, it's high time we literally ELIMINATED the entire notion that a free society "needs" police.

2nd Amendment, private detectives, CSI labs is the way to go. It's abominable to call it a free society when you can have another human being initiate force against you unjustly but be able to get away with it, as long as the cop can stretch the limits of the BS rationale fitting the non-crime. These days, like any negotiator, they simply tack on layers and layers of charges, and see what sticks, even IF you're completely innocent, unless you can get yourself out of it or by your lawyer, they can care less whether they charge you for 2nd degree murder in a completely unrelated case for what should amount to a charge for shoplifting a candy at the local grocery, or not.

Frankly we've NEVER had 'police' in our Republic, until the early part of 20th century. We've only had Sheriffs. The very notion of police force is abominable; the idea that some statist goon would literally walk around adjudicating what he/she thinks is 'just' or not, has the power to kidnap, torture or murder you, worse, get away with it.

The reason why even in a purely practical sense that policing doesn't work is that by the precise nature of the fact that there can NEVER be enough cops to police everyone, thus everything the 'system' does IS selective.

If a cop watches 50 drivers that go 40mph over the 'speed limit' how is it fair, or just to only punish ONE of the 50 that he can pull over to ticket or arrest? Aside from the fact that humans are not robots, everything they do is by definition, can ONLY be a selective enforcement. Thus they're picking and choosing WHOM they should go after, EVERY day. Which then by nature becomes a political decision, not a scientific or objective one.

So perhaps the economic collapse would be the best way, as their entire pension system will crumble. No lasting pay incentive? Then, even bullies have their limits. I pray that EVERY PD in the country follow the way of Maywood, CA.

Our entire current PD model is based on the London, UK police model, which got exported to NYPD, then to the rest of the country. It's the last vestige of the English colonial system that they've perfected in their colonies, like India.

We need to ERADICATE this nonsense, once and for all and abolish the very notion of police being needed.

Frankly the ONLY ones the police should be allowed to go after is those IN govt. The way it was intended to be.

State govts check Feds, Feds check the States.

But cops should ideally be NEVER against the citizenry, other than for the instances I describe above, as any problem arising between the citizenry: they're NONE of govt's business! But going after govt corruption whether the perpetrator is from the Fed/State/local govt, should be.

WILL we get there, even beyond PRESIDENT Paul?

Remains to be seen.

People still love the idea in the indirect abstract that 'someone ELSE taking care of the bad guys' while they sleep. Frankly no different delusion as the liberals' notion that some Federal agency, simply by existing we'd get give us 'safe' milk, medicine, cars, toys, environment, or whatever.

Laws and govt agencies are only there to give a false sense of assurance/security. That's why in the purely selfish sense, if we were to have govt, that it'd be for a 'collectivized' defense, against FOREIGNERS, so they get the brunt of the monopoly of force of govt, not to have it turned back against its own citizenry.

Though ironically throughout history, every economic powerhouse ends up doing just that, as a strong economy is the only reason why a militant state can grow, and because by nature of economic might and how much it can invest into more advanced technologies than poorer nations, they inevitably become the overwhelming top dog, and run out of countries to conquer and colonize, until it eventually realizes that the richest one to steal from is the country of their origin, which inevitably is always followed by a revolution, civil war, and decline. Then like clockwork the sick cycle repeats itself, again, and again, as history clearly teaches us.

How grown ass 'adults' can't see this is truly beyond me.

The ONLY path to freedom is to De-Centralize EVERYTHING. Frankly, our econ circumstances alone may just force that to happen, as no tyranny in the history of the world stopped itself, FROM itself. An outside factor or circumstance always forced their hand into an utter collapse or a change.

Don't know... will Americans be able to come out the current econ malaise and geopolitical pigsty with a better, more graver understanding that a de-centralized society is ALWAYS more preferable, and necessary for a society to be more free?

Well 1/2 the population SEEMS to state as much, but frankly only do so because the opposition do not wear their political stripes; they don't disagree out of fundamental philosophical differences. So it's still down to those of us, the 17~25% of us who are R3VOL, independent, apathetic, who feel that way. And even among that number, how many do you suppose would be open to the idea that we should not have a 'police force' as we know it today??

The number of people who can be identified as a true Market Anarchist has got to be less than 5% of the American population, if not even less than 1%, as even among most libertarians, they're barely even real minarchists.

So the road seems bumpy. But who knows? If Maywood, CA can happen, anything is possible.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Long comment man, should have

Long comment man, should have been a new forum post. Every time I see a cop I wonder why they hell we even "need cops". I wonder the same thing every time I get a speeding ticket. Yet another tool of the government's scheme to redistribute wealth, and to protect big government from the people, not the the other way around like it should be.

Nothing you didn't say already, you said it all!

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

nailed it

You nailed it, AnCap.

The MSM and the like will

The MSM and the like will probably use that as to the reason why so many active duty military donate to Ron Paul; "they're drug addicts no wonder they are donating to Ron Paul," that is exactly what they'll say.

I can see a lot of reasons

I can see a lot of reasons for saying it. They may want Americans to be afraid of returning veterans. They may be using that to say they're crazy so when they return and are begging for American citizens to listen to them, many may think they're not stable. Definitely could use that to say why they donate to Ron Paul. How could they treat our military like this? Abuse them with multiple trips to the Middle East. Destroy their families. Then destroy them personally. It's about time the American people step up to the plate and take care of their country and veterans. They could use this information to even single them out for assassinations! Terrible what's going on.

They're definitely going to

They're definitely going to use it to prevent as many returning vets as possible from being allowed to legally purchase firearms. That, you can be damn sure of.

And also

And also an excuse why they will lock up the oath keepers who refuse orders to disarm citizens...2nd amendment right.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

updated..

Prescribed drugs 'to blame over spate of violence among US soldiers'

Psychologists have blamed a surge in random acts of violence among US soldiers on the heavy use of prescribed medicines by the American military.

By Amy Willis, Los Angeles | 11:38AM BST 09 Apr 2012

More than 110,000 Army personnel were given antidepressants, narcotics, sedatives, antipsychotics and anti-anxiety drugs while on duty last year, according to new figures by the US Army Surgeon General.

The figures indicate an eightfold increase in martial drug use since 2005, with nearly 8 per cent of servicemen and women on sedatives and 6 per cent on antidepressants.

“We have never medicated our troops to the extent we are doing now … And I don’t believe the current increase in suicides and homicides in the military is a coincidence,” Bart Billings, a former military psychologist and combat stress expert, told the Los Angeles Times.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

The DOD Admits to...

..5 to 8% of active troops being "medicated" with psychotropics....infomed sources estimate the number as:
30%.....scary isn't it?
And it gets worse when the troops return home.
(see my abovementioned links).

See the jailor with his key, who locks away all trace of sin
See the judge upon the bench, who tries the case as best he can
See the wise and wicked ones, who feed upon life's sacred fire
See the soldier with his gun, who must be dead to be admired
(G.Lightfoot)

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!