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The ascendence of sociopaths in US governance

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It utterly astounds me with what I hear from Obama supporters...

It truly and utterly astounds me with what I hear from Obama supporters.

I tell them, "What are you saying? He supported the Bailouts, all the wars, and increasing the government by over ten times its size. As Senator he voted the same.

He also lied about everything."

"Well he has done a lot of good things and he undid the damage Bush did. Bush is far more communist."

"Are you kidding or something? The damage has been multiplied to be $5 trillion dollars. And what exactly has Obama done that is so good?

As far as I can tell, he's turned the U.S.A into a giant communist fascist prison & looted the treasury for billions of dollars.
Read this: http://www.thewhitehatsreport.com/reports/report35.pdf "

Them: "Obama is a great president. He supported Green Energy, reforms & things of all type. He has given us incredible access to health care. He has reigned in the Federal Reserve and stopped the wars."

I reply: "Good god, are you truly believing this? He has expanded the wars into three separate nations. Bush was just a goddamn Democrat hiding in the GOP, why can't you see the very polices Bush had is what Obama does now except he tells you he's for "peace"?"

Them: "He is the peace candidate. He would never go to war without approval, and we have many many enemies. He's a good honest man. I trust my President to do the right thing and I hate Bush."

Me: "You know what? This country is going to be going entirely bankrupt, be driven off a cliff and as for blame....YOU NEED TO ONLY GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!! OBAMA IS A TYRANT, A LIAR AND A FRAUD. HE IS BUSH. HE IS FDR. And the Democratic Party is not the party of peace, all this crap you've been told is brainwashing. http://americanhistory.about.com/od/franklinroosevelt/p/pfdr... "

Them: "But my teacher said the Democrats are the party of peace. Obama has done so many great things, built community projects, don't insult him."

Me: "OBAMA IS PART OF THE PARTY OF WAR!!!! AND THE ONLY GOOD THING HE HAS DONE, IS ADMITTED HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE EXAMINED. He won't let investigators near it. Democrats have always been the party of Intervention and War. You fell for it!! They took over the first third of the GOP as well, to make the scam complete. But you fell for lies. Democrats= Giant government, military war spending. And voters like you, are the reason for the mess we're all in. Wake. Up. Soon."

Them: "Go to heck. When Obama speaks its from the heart. I like him."
Me: "I'm speechless. This conversation is over."

Just incredible. They DESPISE Bush, but yet love that liberal communist jackboot Obama; who has shredded the entire constitution and everything else..since he's a Dem.

I enjoy hearing your liberal encounter...

I just recently had an encounter with a liberal friend. She gets texts from the white house, emails from liberal websites, and listens to liberal news. She is concerned about woman rights, Martin/Zimmerman case, and hit up the millioniars for more money. I told her we need to reduce government spending, stop these senseless wars, and focus on the real issues like the failing economy, & jobs. By doing that maybe it will reduce the suffering of unempolyed, foreclosures, food stamps, homeless, and etc.... She ended up yelling I am against woman , a racist, and an idiot to not want the millionairs to pay more taxes. So now I know character assasination, and class warfare is their stagity to avoid taking about the President record. I told her and she was speechless as I left.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

He has a horrible record....

Which is no surprise, similarly in Illisnois.

Obama is just about the worst president we have ever had.

So communist fascist that it defies belief.

There's even drones in U.S. airspace.

Yet these people love him, support him, shower him with praise. In fact they kicked Kucinich out I heard in order to give the real Democrats longer terms. Just scary.

Maybe not surprising, but these people are certainly all about divisive Obama tactics.

It's partly how you're speaking to them

Four keys (speaking as someone who has identified as both before):

(1) Do your absolute best to be calm and polite - anger, questioning someone's intelligence, and using "scare words" like "socialist", "fascist" and "communist" turn people off quickly

(2) Do not try to argue with them on things that they strongly believe to be true, focus on what they value but know little about (dollar value, military bases, government corruption) - Everyone is predisposed to strengthening their most closely-held beliefs when challenged

(3) Play up the areas in which Paul would do more for what they value than Obama would, like civil liberties, federal separation of church and state, national defense/bringing troops to their families, eliminating corporate subsidies

(4) When they show that they're afraid of something Paul proposes (e.g. ending Social Security, eliminating the FDA) explain his focus on transition programs and give them links to credible academic studies on his policies. Do not try to inform them on the spot.

A strong Dem/Indep will usually do more investigation on their own when given links instead of information, because they don't form preconceived notions and - according to statistics - are predisposed to being curious about information when they do their own work.

On a side note, the article above is full of half-truths and misinformation, and sometimes doesn't even try to do scientific research. There's no doubt that sociopaths tend to end up in political office at a disproportionate rate, but the article does a disservice to uninformed readers.

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Sorry but I've never seen anything like this at all....

It is *EXTREMELY* difficult, to engage in conversation with these people.

I see the cliff we're all about to be tossed over, and these people are convinced some kind of "guerilla faction" is going to disrupt government or start world war.

Also, I'm not sure how long this has gone on.
They would probably vote for Bush, Peter King, Loughgren and Joe Lieberman if they were all democrat as well.

I'm having a very difficult time seeing the world from *their* point of view. They listen to Paul Krugman who believes the Federal Reserve is the answer to all our problems.

They think that a large government is a good thing, no matter what privacy concerns that brings. Its a very subtle, very obvious brainwashing. These people are so obsessed with Obama, even though he has dragged us all into three more wars...that they are willing to vote for him at least twice.

The problem is, Obama supporters don't like facts.....

These people are REALLY, REALLY brainwashed and I mean much worse than any kind of Gingrich, Johnson, Tom DeLay or even Kucinich.

They don't care that Obama did a few unfortunate things like NDAA, because they think its going to take care of the terrorists.

They are also of the belief there is right wing extremists that everyone needs to watch out for. When Obama speaks, to them it fills their eyes and ears with joy & admiration.

These people are very grateful for Government health care. They think a New World Order is a wonderful thing, too. Also they pay to attend Obama's speeches.

Also here's what I heard:

Them: "Well I think Ron Paul is good too. But he will end the whole EPA and destroy government, so I will never have anything to do with that. Obama says we need to reunify our borders & strengthen our military. He also is commemorating a memorial to Rosa Parks."

Me: "Again...I don't know where you are hearing this information. Ron Paul is not a racist. Obama is saying a lot of things. But why do these feel good things matter, if America's streets have military patrolling and a lot of businesses being purchased up. Being taken over often by force. This to me is not a good thing, and it makes no sense that you can say Ron Paul will destroy government."

Them: "I know each of the wars needed to happen. We have a few enemies left, its kind of difficult. Also of course we strongly support the Palestinians and Israel to join the world union. (HIS words, not mine) And from there we can all have a much greater, more wondrous future. Military in the streets is ok long as terrorists & survival preppers are dealt with. I've heard its dangerous from my friends."

Me: "What? They are people storing up food and supplies in case an emergency happens. Why has anyone said its dangerous? Do you trust the government about everything? So what you're saying is, its fine if military are in the streets...as long as extremists aren't out there. But all this going on, and the Feds stealing the land, is completely okay as long as Rosa Parks gets a perfect memorial right."

Them: "Yes, its okay. We want this. Because bad people are out there and they are always trying to disrupt our peaceful nation."

Me: "I see....I still would warn you, these polices you are encouraging Obama to take are the radical ones. They are creating atmosphere for full scale civil war. No offense, but he is as far to the left as Mao. I don't understand exactly why...you think Ron Paul will destroy the government."

Them: "Ummm, well if he dismantled a federal agency that puts them all out of work. That is wrong. We have a peaceful government, seizing back private lands that people have no right to steal. They should be used for tourist attractions, museums and so on. (HIS words, not mine)

Me: "Good god...I can see you are adamant about this."

If it were me

Again, I ask that you look at your language. You're lumping a lot of people into one group and stating something as broad as "they don't like facts".

I happen to like Kucinich. I also like some of Obama's ideas. If I'd have heard you say that I don't like facts, that people who support Kucinich are brainwashed, that there re no right-wing extremists, or that Obama is "as far left as Mao", I wouldn't have given you much of a chance to say more - and I'm a Ron Paul supporter.

Here's how I'd have responded to them:

"Well I think Ron Paul is good too. But he will end the whole EPA and destroy government, so I will never have anything to do with that. Obama says we need to reunify our borders & strengthen our military. He also is commemorating a memorial to Rosa Parks."

He wants to transfer the authority of the decisions that the EPA has to local groups that are more informed about the problems faced in their communities. Ron Paul doesn't want to end government, he wants to give the power back to the people in the most meaningful ways. He - and I - don't think that a few people can know enough to manage everyone's lives.

"I know each of the wars needed to happen. We have a few enemies left, its kind of difficult. Also of course we strongly support the Palestinians and Israel to join the world union. (HIS words, not mine) And from there we can all have a much greater, more wondrous future. Military in the streets is ok long as terrorists & survival preppers are dealt with. I've heard its dangerous from my friends."

The thing is, attacking countries when we're only after a few key people is a policy that turns the rest of the world against us. I mean, I wouldn't want someone to bring tanks into my hometown to kill a few extremists. There are better ways to find and capture key targets - we don't need to blow things up or shoot people. How can we work with other countries in any sort of union when they're afraid of our methods of helping people fight the bad guys?

"Yes, its okay. We want this. Because bad people are out there and they are always trying to disrupt our peaceful nation."

Like I said, it's one thing to have a presence in another country when they ask for our help and we think it's in our best interest, but it's another thing to cause anxiety by having the military walk around with guns out. There are smarter ways of doing things.

"Ummm, well if he dismantled a federal agency that puts them all out of work. That is wrong. We have a peaceful government, seizing back private lands that people have no right to steal. They should be used for tourist attractions, museums and so on."

The people who are being put out of work by government downsizing have better qualifications than a ton of other people. There's no worry about them getting jobs. And, you know, companies lobby government to get access to private land. Just think about it - how likely is it that a big corporation with lots of money will get the land it wants more often than the government decides to take land away from it? Local governments will do better with bargaining for private land than lobbied government offices that determine who land can be taken from and given to.

Like I said, that's Ron Paul's message - a few people do a worse job at managing a lot of information than a lot of people together can. It's not about killing government, it's about moving power to the local level.

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I appreciate your candor....

I can see those responses work a lot better, in my estimate.

But it is very difficult, *very* hard not to lose patience with these types of people after the horrors I've seen. It is like they live in an entirely separate world.

Well, when I said he is basically Mao I wasn't being facetious.
He is or has implemented nearly every policy Mao used.

Marxist Fascism, etc. I know it scares people off, but don't they need to know the truth?

Also, why is the argument always used with Obama-trons that the Federal *Government* is the answer; and needs to steal away lands & so forth to provide tourist attractions and hospitals?

What if its flat land that belongs to people who want nothing to do with this scam? What is the answer - isn't that simply just stealing? You call me a right wing radical, yet the POLICY they were endorsing is to steal & annex people's land. Why is stealing okay?

A trip into the mind of a Democrat

Regarding Mao, that may be true (I really don't have any idea), but the word "Mao" doesn't just have a logical meaning, it also has an emotional meaning "out of control killer". That's why there's such strong resistance - resistance that has to be chipped away slowly by sticking to less emotional topics first. They'll make the connection to abusive government control on their own - they're hyper-sensitive to it once they see the big picture.

In general, Democrats see government as the answer because they have been conditioned to think that the alternative is giant corporations like Monsanto crushing people's health and rights, alongside local racists and theocrats killing people that they don't like and oppressing their women.

In other words, it comes from the bad experiences of their families - experiences that were recorded in textbooks as well as family albums - or their own experiences.

They don't know almost anything about how government actually works, how lobbyists influence decisions, or how free markets operate. Their impression of government+business is corporations paying directly for legislation or buying congressional (or cabinet) seats.

Those impressions aren't completely wrong, but they're so limited that the evils of government hidden in the nuances slip by, and the only problem seems to be money.

Obama is so loved because of the perception that he had support from everyone in America - even the people who didn't vote. They generally dismiss his Wall Street donations as "donations from the good people in corporate America", and they see anyone who didn't support Obama as somehow out of touch with reality because, again, they think that everyone else in the world supports/supported him.

And that's where the "racist" stuff comes from. They're grasping at straws to explain how "such a popular guy" could be disliked - especially to the point that people get angry about him. They then associate that anger with the theocrats and racists who are always yelling on TV and oppressing people.

Nonsense? Mostly. There are some right-wing extremists who are racists and oppressors, but obviously not everyone against Obama being president is "out there".

And the only way to show that is to be calm, speak to things that they have a grasp of, and encourage them to read up on things you mention that they aren't familiar with (always provide them with links).

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How do you show a robot that annexing....

.....Is STEALING?

Obama has written an executive order to basically seize control of all the roads, food stores, supply stores and farms.

Is this acceptable to them ALSO, again, because preppers are bad people & the government needs to stop corporations?

Are they of the mistaken belief that the government taking over corporations, seizing them by force, IS the answer?

Annexing & control

"Are they of the mistaken belief that the government taking over corporations, seizing them by force, IS the answer?"

Generally, yes, because when they hear "corporation" they think "near-monopolistic entity".

Your best bet would be to give them some local cases where the government damaged someone's business, or put them out of business. If you can't find anything local to your area, then try looking for news articles that show it happening to a mom & pop kind of operation in another area.

One of the things that really struck me was when my uncle, who is a dentist, told me that Obama's "Tax for private jet owners" harmed his business. He has a small town operation.

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Bleagh, that's why I'm never voting Democrats....

Sounds exactly like the Mitt Romney world to me.

Corporations are always the bad guy, so take over all of them, every business, even Raleys.

In fact, its all identical.
Two wings of the same Democratic fraud that's about to get its well deserved clipping...