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Pennsylvanians: Boycott The Apr 15 Money Bomb! (Unless...)

OK, people, looks like we Pennsylvanians are gonna have to play hardball with the national campaign.

We were Ron Paul's number one state in 2008 in raw votes, and almost number one in vote percentage.

We're Ron Paul's home state (he was born here and raised here until med school).

We have a realistic chance of gathering 35 delegates and an outside chance of gathering up to 50 delegates to the national convention. Those are unbound delegates that you know you won an hour after the polls close, not delegates to a meeting to a caucus to a convention who just might get elected unless derailed by the Republican machine and some obscure paragraph from Roberts Rules of Disorder.

So howcome the national campaign is treating us like a red-headed step-child?

So howcome we get The Doc for only a measly hour on the Sunday before the election?

Doesn't the national campaign look at recent Penna polling? Don't they see the huge number of undecideds?

Have the national campaign big-wigs been away from the grassroots so long that they forgot that the reason for the candidate to campaign is to fire up the activists so that the activists in turn fire up the grassroots to get out and vote?

If the campaign appears uninterested in Pennsylvania, why should Pennsylvania activists be interested in the campaign?

Don't make us boycott the 4/15 MoneyBomb......

On the other hand, if we get The Doc for a solid week of some good old fashioned campaigning (and OK, we'll let him talk to those nonvoting college kids too ;-)), maybe, just maybe Ron Paul will win his first State.



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Head - you offend me - I shall cut you off!

I think what Dan is trying to

I think what Dan is trying to bring to light, is the fact that Dr. Paul could seriously win PA. However, there are no ads, that I'm aware of running on tv or in print, nor is Dr. Paul making any speaking stops here other than the one two days before PA votes. Most of Pennsylvanians have no idea who they are going to vote for, because most regular Pennsylvanians do not like Romney, however, the GOP in PA are urging the Republicans here to vote for him.

We have less than two weeks until we vote, and if Dr. Paul doesn't somehow get his message out here personally, I'm not sure how much support at the polls he will get. This isn't about Dan, nor is it about me; it is about the vast majority of registered republicans who, as of yet, have no idea who they are going to vote for. There is only so much the grassroots can do; I got five people who are definitely voting for Dr. Paul, but there are many others who may vote for him or may not. A few stumps here in PA, just like several other States, could actually win this State for him; and to over look that is not really a wise decision. Now, while it is his campaigns decision to make, it is a decision we all will have to live with.

That being said, I would never advocate for boycotting a Moneybomb; but winning PA which is a fairly large swing State, with some power, would definitely turn the tables on the election and the media. It would be an event which could not be swept, ever so easily, under the rug without exposing the corruption to nearly 13 million people in one instant; because, both Republicans and Democrats alike would notice that. It could possibly be big enough to raise the awareness of the vast majority of Americans about our elections and who is actually responsible for the outcomes.

The way I see it, the entire system could be turned on its head if Dr. Paul was to win PA, because the State GOP is in the bag for Romney and they would have two options in that scenario: either let the election stand, which would mean Dr. Paul won; or, they would have to rig it to the point that everybody, in PA at least, would know that the people are being scammed by the GOP -and if the GOP is doing it then one could reason, as I'm sure many would, that the Dems are doing it as well.

It is easy for the media and the party to explain away a RP victory in certain States(Iowa, NH, Texas), but there is nothing the media or the RNC/GOP could do to explain away a RP victory in a northeast swing State like PA; and this would have a ripple effect throughout the rest of the Union. I imagine this is why Dan is trying to get the campaign to do something in PA; but I wouldn't suggest not participating in the moneybomb if they(the campaign) don't heed the message.

It seems only you and TJ1776

It seems only you and TJ1776 are experienced enough at electoral politics to understand the potential for success that Pennsylvania has for Ron Paul, and the dismay we feel for the fact that the national campaign people are missing the boat here.

What is you long term goal?

What is you long term goal? Get Dr.Paul in the White House or get him to come make you dinner in Pennsylvania. Texas is a High priority location right now. Quit complaining on the DP and get out and canvas, make phone calls, sell something to donate to the campaign.

KAF

If The Doc would show up in

If The Doc would show up in Pennsylvania to campaign, I'd buy him dinner. (I hear he's a cheap date LOL :-))

If he'd come to NEPA

I would buy him dinner... and I don't go cheap.

That's your egoism speaking,

That's your egoism speaking, sorry but so true ?

Do you think you are so special, you know what Ron never visited Europe in my lifetime, so I probably start boycotting campaign also!

You can't be serious...

What a cry baby move... I live in PA and I am working hard for the campaign. I would never suggest that we turn our back on Dr. Paul or suggest something so infantile.

Ron Paul 2012

Oh, I am dead

Oh, I am dead serious.

Pennsylvanians have contributed over $576,000 to the national campaign. That's $32,000 per congressional district.

If your congressional district had $32,000 to spend on mailings, door hangers, and polling place handouts, and if Ron Paul were to make a campaign stop or two in your congressional district to fire up your local activists and maybe generate some local news coverage, how much more likely would it be to get your delegates elected?

BRAVO !

That's a Spirit we need to win in this game. And the first prize in this game is? The future for our children ...

I was just in PA for a month campaigning...

http://freeindependentsun.com/republic/the-independence-tour...

I met and worked with a number of different groups. I tried to meet-up with some Paul activists but that never worked out (so I did some canvassing solo while I was there).

http://www.meetup.com/pacampaignforliberty/

I think PA is important as well, but look at Florida. The campaign did absolutely nothing there yet we still got 7%, some locals had a headquarters in Pensacola, and I met with tons of grassroots activists over a month and a half there:

http://freeindependentsun.com/republic/the-ron-paul-road-war...

If the campaign overlooked PA then PA supporters need to take it upon themselves. If this is important, than you understand it isn't just about the campaign and Ron Paul, it's about ourselves and our country.

Attend the various PA GOP meetings and speak on Ron Paul. Invite them to the 1 event Ron Paul is attending. Let them see the energy surrounding our candidate right before the election.

http://www.pagop.org/events/

Find local groups on meet-up that are likely to be Republican voters. You can also message the group leaders, and post up activism meetings/events through their meet-up. You can suggest a meet-up that is a focused outreach, "Ron Paul Grassroots Activist reaching-out for Support." Invite them to the rally!

http://www.meetup.com/Christian-and-Conservative-Moms/

http://www.meetup.com/Young-Republicans-of-Allegheny-County/

http://www.meetup.com/Glenn-Beck-s-We-Surround-Them-Viewing-...

http://www.meetup.com/Southwest-PA-T-E-A-Party-Coalition/

http://www.meetup.com/Conservative-Singles-of-Bucks-County/

http://www.meetup.com/912-PA/

http://www.meetup.com/VFP-TeaParty09/

http://www.meetup.com/ACTION-of-PA-Delaware-County/

And even attend this (it is likely a lot of people attending are still Registered Republican):

http://www.meetup.com/Christian-Party-America-PA/events/5105...

Meet with as many conservative groups as possible. Go to church on the next couple Sundays. Call your friends and family. Get every Ron Paul supporter in PA to do the same. Build the movement up to the Philly Phreedom Rally, two days before the election. Reach out to local media to get it covered!

None of these things requires the national campaign to do anything more than they already are. All of these things only require a motivated individual. The more individuals the better, but each of us can only speak for ourselves.

Jack Wagner

I feel your pain, but...

I don't think calls for boycotting the moneybomb are appropriate. For better or worse, the national campaign has opted, all along, to focus their limited funds on the caucus states.

Your situation sounds very similar to what we had in Illinois; the national campaign provided some help to make sure we got all the delegate candidates on the ballot, but after that, we were pretty much forgotten about. We did get that great rally at U of I in Champaign in front of 4500-5000 people. Although I attended and I loved it, if we were only to get one visit I think they should have held it in Chicago where it would have received actual Chicago media coverage and reached a lot more of those undecided voters.

That's the way it is; the people in our states are funding the effort in the caucus states. I maxed out early in the campaign and I do not regret it. We don't have to agree with the strategy or contribute to the money bomb, and we should definitely let the campaign know our opinions...but calling for a boycott strikes me as spiteful and counterproductive. The good and heroic doctor deserves better :)

Boycott?

Is this for real?? You would throw a tantrum like a small child who has had it's favorite toy taken away??...a "if I can't have it, no-one will" hissy fit? Dr Paul will be relying on unconditional support from his supporters, and at the same time spread the message that MSM refuses to acknowledge, to other states.I'm sure that his campaign managers know what they are doing.Gaining Liberty isn't about what you want, it's about doing what you have to do at the time. Donate double the amount you were going to give and prepare to welcome President Paul to Pennsylvania.

Jill, I think what Dan is

Jill, I think what Dan is trying to bring to light, is the fact that Dr. Paul could seriously win PA. However, there are no ads, that I'm aware of running on tv or in print, nor is Dr. Paul making any speaking stops here other than the one two days before PA votes. Most of Pennsylvanians have no idea who they are going to vote for, because most regular Pennsylvanians do not like Romney, however, the GOP in PA are urging the Republicans here to vote for him.

We have less than two weeks until we vote, and if Dr. Paul doesn't somehow get his message out here personally, I'm not sure how much support at the polls he will get. This isn't about Dan, nor is it about me; it is about the vast majority of registered republicans who, as of yet, have no idea who they are going to vote for. There is only so much the grassroots can do; I got five people who are definitely voting for Dr. Paul, but there are many others who may vote for him or may not. A few stumps here in PA, just like several other States, could actually win this State for him; and to over look that is not really a wise decision. Now, while it is his campaigns decision to make, it is a decision we all will have to live with.

That being said, I would never advocate for boycotting a Moneybomb; but winning PA which is a fairly large swing State, with some power, would definitely turn the tables on the election and the media. It would be an event which could not be swept, ever so easily, under the rug without exposing the corruption to nearly 13 million people in one instant; because, both Republicans and Democrats alike would notice that. It could possibly be big enough to raise the awareness of the vast majority of Americans about our elections and who is actually responsible for the outcomes.

The way I see it, the entire system could be turned on its head if Dr. Paul was to win PA, because the State GOP is in the bag for Romney and they would have two options in that scenario: either let the election stand, which would mean Dr. Paul won; or, they would have to rig it to the point that everybody, in PA at least, would know that the people are being scammed by the GOP -and if the GOP is doing it then one could reason, as I'm sure many would, that the Dems are doing it as well.

It is easy for the media and the party to explain away a RP victory in certain States(Iowa, NH, Texas), but there is nothing the media or the RNC/GOP could do to explain away a RP victory in a northeast swing State like PA; and this would have a ripple effect throughout the rest of the Union. I imagine this is why Dan is trying to get the campaign to do something in PA; but I wouldn't suggest not participating in the moneybomb if they(the campaign) don't heed the message.

It's not a hissy fit. He's

It's not a hissy fit. He's voting with his dollars just like every other free American. If he doesn't think he's going to get any return for his investment then it's just good sense not to invest. "I'm sure that his campaign managers know what they are doing..." You can't possibly know that and I would adamantly disagree. I'm not saying I'm going to boycott but I disagree with your assertions.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

No Return For His Dollars?

The return is Ron Paul as president, freedom and liberty? I would think that is a much greater return than a little more attention. I agree that maybe the point was directed more towards the authors belief that in order to win the state, an important win for the campaign, more time and effort should be spent in PA. That is indeed a good and legitimate assertion. However, to suggest that if this is not done, folks in PA should boycott the money bomb, is not going to help either. Maybe if more money is raised more campaigning can be done. I too wonder about some of the campaign staff, and their decisions in some instances, but boycotting is not going to help, but hurt. If we have issues with the decisions of the campaign, I think firm and persist and communication should be first, it it's a legitimate argument, request that other supporters rally around it. I think the are a million and 1 other ways to get things done without sabotaging the campaign. If my best friend for instance was making some unwise decisions in her life, I wouldn't stop being her friend, I wouldn't punish her by not supporting her, I would aggressively and lovingly try to help her change her ways. If she didn't listen, I would hold her hand and be there in the rubble afterwards. When you love and support it is unconditional.

well Said.........

Furthermore, what if all Paul "supporters" acted this way? Only showing support under certain conditions? I would like Dr. Paul to come to my home for dinner, if not, well then, no support here! Geeeeeeeeez, that is a childlike tantrum. It truly disappoints me that you would claim to support the liberty movement, then make a suggestion that one should boycott the money bomb for any reason. Really? You're complaining of being treated like the read-headed step child? Pull yourself together, I hate to bash anyone, but this is a really lame threat:(