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Took another Govt Contracting Job

I've been doing government contracting for a few years now in the states since leaving the military. I recently took a job that will take me overseas and pay close to $200k a year. The job isn't necessarily in the war zones either. I am a Ron Paul supporter, but I can't help that voting for him would be against my interest. Suggestions on what you think I should do?

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hey brother, thanks for reaching out.

as with all these things, it's obviously, at the end going to be between yourself, your loved ones, and if a believer, higher powers.

that said, though in the cliched sense, one can make the case that 'if there's a doubt, there is no doubt.' And, ideally one should not do something if there is a lingering doubt.

but, as with all things in life, if one is principled, we're always bound to be in a bind. NONE of us chose to be born into this world, built on systematic lies and an entire global econ system based on worthless fiat paper notes. So the way I personally see it, EVERYTHING is in flux, and in transition.

If anyone asked me to define myself econ/philosophically, as my avatar suggests it is Anarcho-Capitalist/market capitalist. I would say that is the closest fit in so far as a contemporary definition of something goes. That said, I'm still somewhat partial on private roads, as just because a private owner owns them and has an inherent incentive to take care of it, does not automatically mean that if his is the only one between pt. A to pt. B I want to get to, that he'd allow me access to it.

Point of all this? In order for us to get to a more voluntaryist society, we still need to work ourselves OUT of the current pigsty paradigm. We STILL have to use FRN, even if we want to use gold/silver/other metals/barter/ammo/whiskey/food or whatever may come post-inevitable global currency collapse. I see online constant biatchings from so called 'libertarians' how they're so principled that they do not believe in voting, so they WON'T be voting for Dr. Paul, not even as a symbolic "principled" protest vote. Well, it's like do they NOT use a govt issued driver's license, passport, postal service (do they REFUSE to receive a package, even if someone else sends them that package using USPS?), do they not buy 'food' with USDA marking on them, etc?

So they're proving that they're being only as "principled" as they CHOOSE to be to begin with. Because if they really were 100% "principled" they'd buy Full Auto machine guns with or without ATF NFA Class3 taxstamp, and carry open and loaded in California. But they won't, and don't. Not to mention, simply never re-register their cars, re-new their license, nor put on license plates, etc. So when they say they won't vote for Ron Paul, out of 'principles,' what they're really saying is that they're refraining out of cowardice, and shoddy cognitively dissonance, not to mention under peer pressure, for what amounts to an anonymous activity: voting.

We're DEEP in Tyranny; corporatist HIJACKED govt's dirty hands are EVERYWHERE!

So we first must figure out the most personally palatable way to wean ourselves off govt/statism/corporatism, because we were simply born into over 6000+ yrs of it. Eradicating that will not happen in one generation, no matter what.

In the aggregate, we're essentially fighting no less than the humanity's cult of faith in govt.

We're fighting a "THOUGHT" that 'we NEED govt' for majority of things to rarely to none at all (for some). Psychological dependence on a mass scale is not so easy to eradicate.

So I'd say, IF you are gonna take part in your current prospect, I'd highly recommend that you have a VERY CLEAR reason WHY you're joining.

This maybe just me, but I NEVER accepted the notion that people just took whatever job it maybe, be it a custodian, a pornstar, an executioner, an accountant, a personal errand boy, a military servicemen, to private contracting/mercenary, to whatever, only to satisfy an economic need, at the time.

We're all psychological beings with various levels of needs to fulfill.

Deep down, there has to be at the least a modicum of joy in choosing and staying with even a 'temporary job' that one nevertheless spent a significant portion of their lives doing. Because if the work has no meaning for you deep down at any level, no matter who you are, one simply cannot do it for too long. That goes the same for those who can rationalize to themselves. Well, self-rationale/denial also has its statutes of limitations.

So if your interest is, beyond the financial, the ability to see outside the US, learn HOW a private contracting firm works, how they run that specific type of biz, etc. I see nothing wrong with it. As long as you enter with an exit strategy. Even IF you believe you're the one at a negotiational disadvantage, I'm always of the mind that even IF I go to work FOR someone, it has to be in mutual interest: the company needs services done on behalf of them by others. So I offer, I complete my end, they pay me for my time, skills/services, and efforts. But like ANY negotiation or contract, the ONLY kind of deal one should make is by KNOWING your own exit strategy before you go in.

If along the way you forget WHY you joined that company or that particular line of work to begin with, to me THAT point will be time for me to depart.

I would recommend the same for anyone who KNOWS about the Doc and the philosophy he speaks of, and on the most part subscribe to it, yet still want to join the military. I'd say join to learn skills, managerial skills, military tactics, ability to operate various manual of arms sufficiently, learn how to deal with/follow/lead A-type personalities. But know that at some point, because you're just a cog in a ginormous machine, the gear the operator may select may put undue pressure on your particular gear, before wearing out the transmission altogether.

So as long as you know WHY you're entering that job, and for WHAT reasons, and WHEN you feel your needs maybe fulfilled at that company, and KNOW when and HOW you will exit that company, I'd say go for it.

If it helps, and you're a believer, perhaps pray, and if agnostic/atheist, I'd say meditate on it in calmness, without any noise, and let your conscience speak to you.

Only you'll know what you need, and what you need to do to fulfill it.

Hope that helps. And wish you luck. And let us hope you'll NEVER be stuck in a position where you may have to make a life or death decision that you'll regret or haunt you. But if you are who I think you are, when confronted with such situation, you'll do the right thing.

Believe me, even as anti-interventionist as I am, even though I'm fully aware of history of govt sponsored terrorism. Be it out of rightful genuine qualms against our HIJACKED govt's moronic and murderous foreign policy or not, once the 'oppressed' foreigners do take it upon themselves to seek to retaliate WITHIN CONUS, I'd have no qualms about defending my loved ones or my property.

Heavy decision, no doubt. But only you'll know if and when you made the right ones.

But if I maybe as so humble to opine and leave you with ONE thought: KNOW your EXIT strategy, before joining ANY venture, let alone one that you're still having some modicum of doubts on.

Good luck. And stay safe. And don't let ANYONE drive your conscience out of your Eternal Soul.

PS. In the meantime, if you got $2000-5000 to spare or to invest in improving your own skills to save your own hide, I'd ask that you consider taking this course before departing.


I've been looking into it myself, but scheduling conflicts and needs at home, for the time being, is making it prohibitive. Perhaps you'll have a better luck, and more immediate need to fulfill it.

Good Luck.

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

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OK I am going to cut through the chase

Your $200K salary is not that much when compared to other public servants even on the local level.

So the city manager of my city, who is paid for, by the taxpayer, as a public servant, makes more than you!

But he can't probably do anything in reference to national defense that you can, and probably would be even a gun control fascist.

Point is... that is chump change compared to what some bureaucrats and public servants make across the country.

You open up an interesting can of worms here and to be quite honest I am not sure how you reconcile it other than you are at least HONEST (because you deal in life or death situations, so honor, unlike most publically funded people).

But you should be conflicted on this, because there is no carte blanche easy solution here.


Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

None of us is going to pay

None of us is going to pay you $200K a year, so you need to act in your own behalf and do what you can live with. Personally, if I was in your position, I'd make the best decision before me and take the job unless there was another job available with the same money and whatever benefits are attached to it. Why ask us what "we" want you to do? It's your life.

Of course

I wasn't necessarily asking what you want me to do. I was more asking your opinion. I posted this comment just to see what peoples comments were of my situation. I am going to take the job (I start next month), but I was just looking for more justification on it instead of essence being a hypocrite to my personal beliefs.

Your first obligation is to

Your first obligation is to survive, so I don't think anyone can criticize you based on that broad criteria.

It's a tough one

I wouldn't judge you if you did, you gotta do what you gotta do, but I wouldn't do it. Our life is the choices we make, and those choices dictate the direction it goes, so be careful where you end up.

I'm assuming your heart might not be in it because of your beliefs, but the money is tempting and is seen as an ends. So the question is do the means justify the ends? will the means get you to the ends you really even want?

Take it with a grain of salt because I really don't understand your full situation or the true nature of the job.

Good Luck and God Speed.

Is your pocketbook more

Is your pocketbook more important than the tax dollars you are taking from US citizens? At least you are American though...much better than giving it to a Brit ir Indian or Iraqi(not that I dont think they should earn it...but it does come from the US taxpayer). I too am a sometimes contractor for the military and I have no problem voting for Ron Paul...its just a job...and I find similar ones here that pay as much...Hell I have had both TXM and Aerotech call and offer contracts in Afghanistan in the last month...I turned them down though since I am making as much here...and dont feel like I want ti support that whole complex unless I am desperate.

For sure

For me it's pretty much very hard to make as much money here in the US as I would overseas, because I am very much considered a youngin' to the private sector. I kind of fall in line with a college graduate, accept that I have military experience instead of a degree. I could see ten years from now I could make as much in the states as over seas, but I don't see that happening just yet. It does suck taking the tax payers money, but it's there and someone else will take it if I don't (very sucky situation).

What's wrong with...

What's wrong with fixing this country and working here?


I am working for a company that is based in the US, and I will essentially be paying US taxes. However, my taxes are pretty reduced if I spend more than like 330 days I think outside the US. If I spend that amount of time outside, then I could pay zero taxes on the first like 92k.

Give and it shallbe given....

As an individual you can give upto $2300.00 directly to the Ron Paul 2012 Campaign, and give all you want to SuperPacs that will run ads supporting him. Goodluck and Godspeed.

With all due respect, I will no longer be a voting prostitute for Constitution rejecting harlots.


I honestly only give money to two things: Wounded Warrior Project...and Ron Paul. (ok I do get pressured from various car washes and various little mini fund raisers)

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You have to vote your conscience

Also...you gotta make a living.

In the end, it is up to you to be constrained to do the right thing.

Do what you gotta do. And make a lot of money. Never made even close to that, but, heck it is a free society.

You are a friend of Liberty...I can tell...just be careful that the M.I.C. doesn't try to steal it (or buy it) from you.

If that happens, then it will be definitely "against your interest".

God bless you, my friend, on your endeavors.

At the end of the day, you will have to parse through the morality of your decisions, right or wrong.

Norfolk, VA

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.


I get the vote with your conscience thing. I am going to vote for Paul, but I also hate being hypocritical. I don't like to preach one thing and do another. It just bugs me. Yet, it does help my family and I to make the best out of the situation.

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You are a good man.

Just don't sell out to the M.I.C. and you will be fine.

Make lots of money and stock up on it for a "rainy liberty day"...and send some of it back for the RP Moneybomb.

Norfolk, VA

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Marry me.


When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Betty, you've never asked me that before!!!


hey, girl's got needs.D

but... but... but... what about he rest of us??


good thing I wasn't sipping hot coffee just now, because it surely would've come out the wrong end.


Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul


I'm six hours from Sacramento.....

I don't think my wife would like that though.

hahahaha hahahaaha

ha haha

With all due respect, I will no longer be a voting prostitute for Constitution rejecting harlots.

It's hard to know if your

It's hard to know if your conflict is because you know that you are surely undermining liberty to other people. That you will be forced to take innocent lives.

Otherwise government will be around for a long time and working for the government is not exactly immoral.

In Ron Paul's recent speech, he mentioned Martin Mayer's "They thought they were free". Here's an article for you to chew on "Paychecks, perception, propaganda and power".



This was a pretty good read. I was kind of skeptical where the beginning was going, but the article was very good. I shared it to my friends on FB (most my friends are libs and instantly hate on me, which I don't understand). It seems a lot of my friends are one issue voters, which kind of really sucks.

vote Ron Paul

take the job and money...

it's way above your pay grade to sort that stuff out, don't fall on your sword.

Hey, if our money has to go overseas at least some of it is going into friendly pockets.

Vote for him anyway

Those jobs come and go. My cousin was in Iraq driving trucks. You get burnt out in the war zones pretty quick. If you aren't in a war zone and don't want to come back to the states, maybe you can find other work. Contracting jobs are quick money and I understand why people do them.
If Ron Paul becomes president, things will start turning around on the job front.

Up to You

Depends how important your principles are to your happiness/well-being. This is a question only you can answer. I don't see why you can't vote for Ron Paul and continue on your current path...pay off your debts, then get out from under the machine?

Seems simple to me.


Honestly that was what I planned on doing, but it just seems semi-hypocritical to me.