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Doug Wead: Ron Paul to Obama and Romney: “Jerusalem is the capital of Israel”

News is now leaking out about a private meeting between evangelical leaders and presidential candidate Ron Paul which took place last Wednesday night. The leaders asked Dr. Paul about an Executive Order moving the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. “The real issue here is not what America wants but what Israel wants. We have no right to chose their capital,” Dr. Paul said, “If they say it is Jerusalem, then it is Jerusalem.” (cont'd)


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Headline is a twisted lie...

Should NOT be playing MSM on this forum. If Dr Paul is to be quoted - then quote him. Don't stick words in his mouth to get people to read the post.

It is a direct quote

from Doug Wead's blog.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)



The Israel advocates have no idea who is pro israel and who is not, Ron Paul is the only one who is pro israel and there would be no palestinian state if he was pres cause Israel could do what they want on their own land and kill their enemies without limits, but Obama is the complete opposite, he is pro Islamist and would try to force it.

If your Pro Israel you should vote Ron Paul.


I see that you joined two weeks ago to spread your divisive comments on several threads.

"Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won,whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory." --- Sun Tzu, The Art of War.


All fine and good.

I don't care where their capitol is.

What I find ASTONISHING is that this election, and apparently every other decision in America, is based upon what Israel likes and what Israel wants, and has nothing to do with Americans or what Americans want.

Americans aren't running this country. Israel is.
It's as plain as the nose on your face, and it's time to wake up to it.

We need to throw off their tyranny over us.

Yes, eye opening isn't it? I

Yes, eye opening isn't it? I think Americans sometimes forget that just because we are a powerful nation, that doesn't mean other countries can't also exert influence over us, the same way we do to other nations overseas. It seems as if this whole election has been about what Israel wants, what's good for Israel, whether or not we should start a war for Israel, etc. Not about what Americans want or need. That's why I voted for Ron Paul, because he is the only one putting us first.... and that's quite clear.

The Campaign really needed

The Campaign really needed this. It is by no means contrary to anything Ron Paul has ever said, and it counteracts the jew-baiting some Paulians are prone to indulge in.

The general attitude to the state of Israel is the key issue for most evangelicals when they choose their candidate for president. It is not abortion, not gay rights, not stay at home moms or homeschooling. It is the existence of the state of Israel.

Some time, Rock, when the team is up against it, when things are wrong and the breaks are beating the boys, ask them to go in there with all they've got and win just one for the Gipper.

That's correct...

...and FUBAR:

"The general attitude to the state of Israel is the key issue for most evangelicals when they choose their candidate for president."

W.T.F....did all these people grow up eating paintchips or what?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Something tells me that

Something tells me that Zionist leaders have gotten very cozy with Evangelical leaders. Jesus-lovers very much enjoy a game of follow the leader, and are being exploited for their own good-natured trust in their fellowman.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

I love Jesus and commemorate

I love Jesus and commemorate his resurrection today. When did it become ok to say that Jesus-lovers are either (a) stupid or (b) Zionist neo-cons who selectively quote the Gospel to support bad politics?

I didn't say that. I am

I didn't say that. I am saying that if Zionist leadership approached Evangelical leadership (really, why do we have leadership in religion anyway, other than to control the 'flock'?), and convinced them to convince Evangelicals that they should support Israel, all the Evangelical community would need is some out-of-context scripture to convince them that Israel needed to be protected. I have no other way to explain why Evangelicals seem to have gravitated towards the concept of protecting Israel over the last several years.

Maybe you can explain it to me. I am an outsider, and this is my only theory.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.


Ron Paul as always nails it. The host country determines its own capital. the anti-semitic drivel is not needed. Merely because of the correct neutral- non interventionist- position- doesn't mean Israel or any other entity should be slandered or attacked. everyone has rights including their own choice as to where foreigners visit them-it is common sense.

re the U.N. --without their interference Israel would be stronger, not weaker-- yes get the U.N. out of the way.


Without the interference of the U.N....

I don't think the modern day state of Israel would exist today.

Minnesota Mary


Another one who joined two days ago to post divisive comments.

"Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won,whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory." --- Sun Tzu, The Art of War.



is not trolling and when did i need to appease an establishment, i thought that was the point of supporting Paul. This is Ron Paul forums not Islamist appeasement forums.

Yes, This was a great answer

Which also points out Obama's and Romney's hypocrisy. Your response is excellent as well. Well thought out and reasonable.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

The Israel baiting is a blatant misnomer..

Look, a lot of Ron Paul's base are very passionate about the Israel issue. It makes perfect sense when you consider the amount of spying they've done on our country over the years, both illegally & militarily.

But the issue is flat not about Israel, its about the Globalists and their one world Agenda 21. And the Globalist fascists have their own agenda.

If you think this was all about AIPAC, you would be very wrong. This issue crosses all Foreign Aid, and has created a massive national security threat. Period.


Learn more about that next time, research it. This is why Rand Paul flat fought to cut off Foreign Aid to Israel & all of Israel's enemies including Egypt.

There are traitors in this very Congress, taking kickbacks from ATC to promote Shinto. They are forcefully trying to implement Sharia Law in Egypt & North America. On top of that they take bribes from AIPAC, to promote endless war for Israel. If such idiocy continues, Israel's destroyed as is Kosovo. Now you *see* what the real concern is & get the picture?

Ron Paul will cut off all Foreign Aid - period. It never benefited Americans in any way. And they can manage themselves.

Something is not right...

... Even though he supports Israel's choosing WHERE the US embassy could be, he should have also said, however, that the US should choose NOT relocate the embassy to Jerusalem because it would fuel the occupation and try to bring legitimacy to a false state which systematically tortures, subjugates and demorializes the Palestinians. Are we missing the other part of the discussion?? I don't see him participating in human rights violations, do you?

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -John Quincy Adams

An Embassy isn't really a

An Embassy isn't really a 'symbol of legitimacy' to Israel, it is simply a place for communication. If this was a BASE, that'd be a different story. No foreign aid or military bases for ANYONE, Palestine or Israel.

I honestly believe that without a 'firm hand' of the US behind them, Israel would have to face up to the consequences of their actions.

I see your point about legitimacy,

but why don't we have an embassy in North Korea or Iran? We don't support their "choice" of governance. And not only will our presence by default show support of the Israeli regime, a U.S. embassy is sovereign and WE will now be occupying Palestine... Again, does this make sense for RP to support this? That's all I'm asking...

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -John Quincy Adams

Well, North Korea and Iran

Well, North Korea and Iran are a bad example, they both don't want an Embassy because they don't want a 'friendship' on any scale at the current time. Though I see your point, and I understood that in my response. We should attempt to have a passive presence everywhere to receive trade and diplomacy with whoever wants it, but not all want this. Even if the U.S. came kneeling before Iran with arms wide open, they wouldn't accept us.

Again, I'm not the best person to ask on this cause I can't elaborate on what seems to be the intentions of other nations, but 'passive' relationships and 'aggressive' relationships are the difference here between an Embassy and a Base.

Watch out, I've seen some

Watch out, I've seen some 'bots'(or whatever you want to call it) spreading near-perfect copy pasted paragraphs saying "OH LOOK, PAUL IS A ZIONIST SHILL LIKE ALL THE REST..." all over the place. That is my one major beef with that Business Insider article on this, it's worded so that those who read the headline think 'OH BOY, LOOK PAUL FLOPPED', and apparently people are accepting this BS...

We all know this has always been Paul's position(respecting sovereignty of ALL nations), but the spin machine is in full cycle, even if the MSM isn't covering it, it appears some people have a mission to spin this as much as they can...

Yep, they've been doing it ever since he was elected...

Paul is nothing more than a post-Zionist which means he respects them to do what they wish in their own territory. Just like any nation over there who has taken subsidies.

Yeah, but just how

much of it is "their own territory" seems to be the issue...

What's he planning to do when the Palestinians delare
Jerusalem the capital of their state, too?

Nothing except....

Letting citizens and international police handle it. By cutting ties to any Foreign Aid we're letting them be themselves and behave themselves.

By that time the Lord will have returned to Jerusalem, and even if you think the Palestinians will still be mistreated or there will still be suicide attacks - again - by letting the citizens intervene that will be short lived & most likely it will finally turn into a mixed nationality state with all of them living together.

Geeze is that all it took? If

Geeze is that all it took? If moving the embassy on an executive order is all it takes for the evangelicals to get behind Dr. Paul, and they accept his positions on ending ALL foreign aid and bringing the troops home, I say go for it.

Who cares?

Who cares?

Most Americans aren't

Most Americans aren't familiar with political leaders who say "It's none of our business because it's not our country." They are used to Washington acting like the de facto one world government. This will take a lot of getting used to for people.

The legal status of Jerusalem

The legal status of Jerusalem is as a corpus separatum under the jurisdiction of United Nations; it does not belong to Israel. In other words, it is not the business of the United States, but of the international community through the United Nations. Taking a hands-off position toward Israel should include the veto power the U.S. has used for nearly 75 years to protect Israel from all U.N. resolutions that would have prevented their usurpation of Palestinian lands.