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Are you guys focusing on the wrong digit in your delegate math?

Submitted by The Shazad on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 22:00
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Going after a couple delegates in Colorado might affect the ones' place in the final delegate count. Doing that in every state caucus and convention will affect the tens' place. But to stop Mitt Romney, Ron Paul has got to start affecting the hundreds' place. I'm struggling to see what the ultimate strategy is there.

I could understand all of this excitement if we were down to 3 candidates and it was December or January. But at this point, what is the real strategy to stop Romney from hitting 1144? Winning the delegate total in Missouri or Maine is not going to affect a thing (outside of the wrong digits). What is the plan to win some of the states on April 24th, for example? You might celebrate 5 delegates tomorrow in Colorado, and Romney is going to celebrate 200 delegates a week and a half from now, unless someone really steps up their game. Is Ron Paul going to do that?


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As I write this

Submitted by jwalsh on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 13:27.

Shazad has been a member for 16 hours and some. I'm supposed to believe that this poster understands delegate counts and how the gathering of delegates works in each state? I note that you are referencing primaries, which in many states don't bind delegates at all, and delegates are chosen through a caucus and convention process within the state.

I think you are here to fearmonger and to discourage supporters of Ron Paul. I further think you are deliberately confusing people as to how the delegate process works.

I write this just to make this obvious to long-time members. Although I see below that several have already called YOUR NUMBER.

why do you guys think...

Submitted by The Shazad on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 22:03.

Why do you guys think that only Ron Paul supporters understand how these delegate counts work? Just because a count is wrong in the media doesn't mean everyone besides you is clueless. It comes off as rather arrogant, though maybe it's not meant that way. I've studied the delegate apportionment process quite a bit over the past 6 months. I spend as much time at Green Papers or other similar delegate sites as most anyone here does. I follow what is going on with the process in each of the states. Many of the primaries coming up will in fact be binding most of their delegates to the state winner or congressional district winners. Even if a Ron Paul supporter becomes the delegate, they are going to have to vote for Romney. There are some massive delegate totals coming up in these primary states, and many to most of them will be bound. How is Ron Paul going to stop these delegates from being bound to Romney on the first ballot? He has had next to no success doing that in the primary states so far. What is going to change now?

All I have to say is Good Luck

Submitted by PDC3378 on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 17:19.

At this point, it is clear that you are not here to begin to debate the issues. You want to support flip flopping Romney...we get it. I hope you realize that this is a repeat of John Mccain. You may believe that you are intelligent or know better about politics. Let me just tell you, Mitt Romney doesn't give a F*** about you. Obama doesn't care either; and a vote for either one of them is a vote for further decline in our society. If you haven't learned that yet during the course of all of your vetting that you claim to have done, then you truly are blind or just plain dumb. I am sorry, you may think I am arrogant or whatever, but you are nothing more then a sheep. So, go back into line with the rest of your crowd. Just make sure that they continue to only shear you. We will be here when you are ready to rise up against the communists and other anti-americans that you hold so graciously dear to your heart. By the way, I would fight you on the issues until there wasn't a breath left in my body.

these kinds of comments

Submitted by The Shazad on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 17:39.

also turn a lot of people off to your message. Even if you're right, calling everyone else a moron and a sheep cuts off communication pretty quickly. If you were to cut those parts out of your act, maybe you'd be able to get more people to vote for your guy.

Frankly

Submitted by PDC3378 on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 21:04.

I don't care. All of the information is there for you to read. We have tried every possible medium to reason with you. We provide facts, laws, statistics, where the donations come from....everything. You continue to ignore reality. I am tired of pandering to people that have no intention of accepting the truth. Your messages on the romney boards from the previous poster suggest that you are simply here to satisfy your appetite for smearing us. It is actually sick. You call us "sad", I think you are sad for blindly following someone that doesn't have the intentions of the country or the people in mind. Romney's voting record, statements, and actions proved that a thousand times over again. Your desired candidate hasn't even bothered to read the constitution. He knows nothing of it and disregards it. If you want to follow him, be my guest, but as long as you are, you are part of the problem. There is no chance that you are even considering the Liberty movement. Basically, after all efforts have been exhausted to wake you up and still, you deny the facts...at that point I would prefer if you stuck to keeping your comments to yourself. I would rather spend my time trying to talk to someone who actually has a chance of undestanding what freedom is about.

it's just a helpful tip

Submitted by The Shazad on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:22.

and you can choose to ignore it. I'm betting that some of the other posters in this thread are much more successful at gaining converts to the movement.

A helpful tip for you

Submitted by PDC3378 on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:34.

Since your messages on the romney board are about how we are pathetic for having hope, I would think you need to figure out why we do not want to rally around the socialist. Romney isn't getting 15% of the Republican party vote for sure. He also is not getting any democrat crossover vote or the independent vote. We as Ron Paul supporters are not supporting the man himself. We actually believe in something greater than that. Our mission is to promote the message. It is not about one political campaign. We win every day when someone joins our movement. You will either one day figure it out on your own, or not. That is how people join the campaign. It takes an independent thought. The quest that you and Romney people have to garner this support will only come to the same conclusion when their attempts to get us to "coalesce" around the media anointed one. That conclusion is that he doesn't stand for anything.

Good luck. Maybe I will see you around one day.

Want the math?

Submitted by davidstarlingm on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 11:57.

Here's how we can keep Romney under 1,144 delegates.

http://www.dailypaul.com/226532/delegate-count-actual-statis...

You win the upcoming events by..

Submitted by DuaneK36 on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 08:45.

Getting people registered and out to vote. Do it now, today, or we will all regret it later. Knock on your neighbors' doors and present them information, let them know the importance. Walk them through any registration adn drive them there yourself if you have to.

There is so much evidence and fact out there now which if shown to someone, will go a long way to convincing them and getting them involved.

Don't stop working on delegates in your GOP who are for others. Show anyone who will listen facts about Paul. Again, use laptops with videos on them. There are excellent eye opening videos. Plant seeds into the minds of already selected delegates of the opposition. There is a fine line there, simply plant the seed and leave reference information that they might look at later. Hopefully those seeds will come to fruition on the second round of votes at the national.

fair enough

Submitted by The Shazad on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 09:33.

It just seems like that's been the strategy all along and it hasn't come close to working in any of the primary states. Here are the primary numbers for Romney and Paul:

NH 39-23
SC 28-13
FL 46-7
AZ 47-9
MI 41-12
GA 26-7
MA 72-10
OH 38-9
OK 28-10
TN 28-9
VT 39-25
VA 60-40
AL 29-5
MI 31-4
PR 83-1
IL 47-9
LA 27-6
MD 49-9
DC 68-12
WI 44-11

Ron Paul has been in single digits more often than not. He has only broken 20% 3 times. The closest he has been to Romney in any state is 14%. The mean is 44%-12% and the median is 40%-9%. The largest number of bound delegates that Ron Paul has gotten in any of these states is 4. Romney got more than that in all but one of the primary states.

I know some in this thread have tried to blame these losses on election fraud but that's not a serious argument. And even if one were to believe that there was some massive election fraud that turned Ron Paul wins into 30 point average losses, why are they going to stop rigging the elections going forward and how is Ron Paul going to win?

A lot of the responses in this thread mentioned general strategies that you are using to get the message out. I applaud those efforts. But at the same time, anyone looking at the numbers can see that even though Paul is doing better than in 2008, he's not getting nearly enough support in the primaries. He is making next to no dent in Romney's delegate totals from the primary states (at least, he hasn't so far). What is going to suddenly happen in New York and Connecticut and New Jersey and Texas and California to stop Romney from getting massive numbers of delegates from these states? Caucus and convention strategies won't work here. He needs to triple or quadruple the number of voters that come out for him. So far, there's been no movement in that direction.

Just remember that you were

Submitted by AntiFed1791 on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 10:44.

Just remember that you were warned. Events in this country are going to accelerate toward the nightmarish. There was one man on the hill that spoke the truth, that tried to warn us. Some folk just have to learn the hard way.

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"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Crickets AntiFed

Submitted by RoadtoSurfdom on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 16:42.

chirp chirp chirp. Nothin from Shazam or what ever his name is.

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"It does not take a majority to prevail but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."

--Samuel Adams

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Submitted by The Shazad on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 22:06.

I was gone all day and don't really have anything to say in response since his response had absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.

That's what happens

Submitted by BigT on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 11:31.

with these myopic little pinheads like the O.P., when they think it's all fun and games to kibitz about the horse race, as the destruction of the nation is at stake, and that Obama or Romney are just the same, and will simply oversee the dismantling of it.

This isn't some game about winning a cupie-doll or a prize.
This is about whether we live or die. All of us.
It is so repulsive that some people like this troll O.P. so cavalierly view this struggle as if he is going to somehow "benefit" in any way if Romney wins the nomination.

That is becasuse the OP hasn't a clue what Ron Paul means

Submitted by PollMan on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 11:39.

when he says "loss of confidence" and "dollar crisis". Also he is in denial of this:
http://youtu.be/QGVxmXBy9jQ

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November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

digit focus

Submitted by lbtbruce on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 05:13.

all digits (delegates) count.

while it is true that the hundreds are bigger than the singles, this doesn't mean that any delegate slot should go unchallenged. America desperately (and this includes witless GOP) needs liberty as is represented by Ron Paul.

Any suggestions on how to win upcoming events be they new primaries, caucuses, or delegate selection follow ups from prior events need to be explored.

Romney offers nothing new to this country, his bought and paid for campaign- even if successful in securing the nomination- will not change any policy of substance- even if he were (which he won't) to win the election.

Ron Paul changes the game- the direction - for our country getting us back on track for the first time in over 100 years.

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lbtbruce

I agree that all digits count

Submitted by The Shazad on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 08:27.

and I'm not suggesting that you should let the Colorado delegates slip away. But without delegates from any of the primary states, it is going to be quite hard to win. I don't think it would be unfair to say that the strategy in past primary states has not been working well.

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Member for one hour

Submitted by optimystic on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 02:13.

before posting and picking your brains on behalf of Romney. How much are they paying you Shaz?

Romney got this one for free

Submitted by The Shazad on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 02:30.

Why would one assume I was being paid? I was just bored tonight so I thought I'd see what was going on.

i'm not going to light your a$$

Submitted by cinco on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 16:29.

on fire like these other guys, but i DO have one question for you there guy.......

how is it that you are a Paul supporter and BORED at the same time.

"i don't get it......no......i just don't get it."
(from A Miracle on 34th Street)

I'm not a Paul supporter

Submitted by The Shazad on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 22:46.

I kind of like him and enjoyed having him as part of the debates. I didn't vote for him, though.

O Shazam

Submitted by zsh-ninja on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 01:41.

I guess there's nothing else to do in Provo at this hour on a Friday night, but troll on over to the liberty army's stomping ground and see if you can't stir up us crazy constitutionalists. It ain't working, do yourself a favor and go back and watch CBS.
We're not dropping out.
Nowz git off your a$$ and go study for exams, or sew yourself a bonnet, or whatever there is for you to do in sunny, exciting…Utah.

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Speaking of...

Submitted by Truthbearer on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 17:05.

...the worst place on the planet that is so horrible and corrupted so badly...here is a little info everyone should know about utah from some poor soul that lived there in the land of the Beast Machine.

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Utah/1101868

This was not that shocking of a read, but still awakening information to grasp about this false religion that is really good at persecuting all the other religions, and putting people in jail for money making scams of the police state profiteering and processing.

They actually pull over EVERY out of state vehicle at night for 'missions' of searching and seeking felony violations. It is a misdemeanor crime if you do not turn signal over two seconds before making a turn and the cops sit at turn signals hawking for potential victims.

God has punished these people that live in the highest radioactive region in the world. No other place besides just outside the fukushima gates is there any higher radiation. It is killing them all there and they are too stupid to care. Truly, it's a place only a lizard could appreciate and profit from.

WARNING: NEVER EVER, EVER GO TO UTAH!!!!!!!!!!!

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That link was funny as hell!

Submitted by zsh-ninja on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 21:12.

I ain't moving there!

Doesn't this response

Submitted by The Shazad on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 02:31.

Argue the opposite point?

No. It doesn't.

Submitted by zsh-ninja on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 03:29.

It only does because thats your current paradigm.
Listen, all things aside, I've got nothing against you, if for no other reason than you're young enough to be treating this as entertainment.
That's cool.
I get it.
The thing is, The Shazad (I'll be civil and leave your real identity out of this), is that this country is fu—ed, and you are attempting to satiate your boredom by interfacing with people who take this upcoming election deadly serious. As in not a game ("I like Mitt because he can beat O,..., I hope")
So, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and just call you out on your arrogance, (which is curable).
But trust me when I say, that if you have the will to be anything other than ignorant (you do), then ten years from now you will view things in a much different light w/ respect to what's happened in this country...and WHY.
If we're all around then, I'm sure you'll be welcomed back with open arms. —peace

Please don't leave my real identity out of this

Submitted by The Shazad on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 08:29.

You already took one shot at guessing my identity and were wrong, but more guesses would be welcome. Make sure to include a lot of righteous indignation with the next guesses as well.

Yeah, I took one shot...

Submitted by zsh-ninja on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 14:34.

And hit the bulls-eye fool.

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Submitted by The Shazad on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 22:49.

I'm not a college student and don't live in Utah. So you kind of missed, but whatever.

I must have missed where he

Submitted by Duane Vick on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 02:04.

I must have missed where he said he was from Provo, UT. I hope we aren't labeling Mitt's supporters.

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