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US Veterans kill themselves at a rate of one every 80 minutes.

A Veteran’s Death, the Nation’s Shame - New York Times
by Nicholas Kristof | April 14, 2012

HERE’S a window into a tragedy within the American military: For every soldier killed on the battlefield this year, about 25 veterans are dying by their own hands.

An American soldier dies every day and a half, on average, in Iraq or Afghanistan. Veterans kill themselves at a rate of one every 80 minutes. More than 6,500 veteran suicides are logged every year — more than the total number of soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq combined since those wars began.

These unnoticed killing fields are places like New Middletown, Ohio, where Cheryl DeBow raised two sons, Michael and Ryan Yurchison, and saw them depart for Iraq. Michael, then 22, signed up soon after the 9/11 attacks.

“I can’t just sit back and do nothing,” he told his mom. Two years later, Ryan followed his beloved older brother to the Army...

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"Starve the beast. Don't let

"Starve the beast. Don't let your freinds or family members join the military."

Sorry but ultimately that fails because they will always entice the desperate and poor with citizenship, education, etc

Part of the solution is to reinstall the draft. The nation would not be quite as focused on American Idol. General Butler describes in "War is a Racket" a realistic framework to starve the beast - by taking the profit out of war

1. Only those who fight are allowed to vote in a limited plebiscite on whether the nation goes to war.

2. A war tax levied against the current generation. As General Butler said, minds would be focused on swift solutions if all the country is on a squaddies wage.

"Let the officers and the directors and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our munitions makers and our shipbuilders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all the other things that provide profit in war time as well as the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted - to get $30 a month, the same wage as the lads in the trenches get.

Let the workers in these plants get the same wages - all the workers, all presidents, all executives, all directors, all managers, all bankers - yes, and all generals and all admirals and all officers and all politicians and all government office holders - everyone in the nation be restricted to a total monthly income not to exceed that paid to the soldier in the trenches!"



when the establishment politicians want to use citizens as robots and send them off to fight for their profit, while their own sons and daughters study in Ivy league institutions, this is what happens !

Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions

Suicide is a much larger issue

and one that leaves very few people untouched, as it is hardly confined to the experience of combat. While it has been a primary focus for some time within the military, suicide occurs among combat veterans at a paradoxically lower rate than it does in the population at large. This reality is not simply historical, it has sustained itself through the last decades wars and has been causally explained by psychologists for some time.

Certainly, I'm sure there are people on here who have been close to someone who was very politically active, for RP or not, and took their own life. Maybe they said they were depressed because of all the injustice in the world, maybe not. Certainly being an underdog in a county that sees no issue with a majority trampling civil rights and a president starting preemptive wars is not a stress free activity. That being said, I would imagine that the rate of suicide among Ron Paul supporters is substantially less than the population at large as well.

Why? The simple, and well documented science shows that a sense of purpose has a major inoculative effect against taking one's life. That is a factor common both here and in there military. Certainly, we have taken on quite a bit of stress in pursuit of that purpose, but isn't that the point? What is also well documented is that the expectation of a certain reaction to stress will greatly increase it's chance of occurring. Specifically that if everyone around you believes that PTSD and suicide are natural consequences of combat, that your chances of heading down that route are greatly increased.

A great example of the people who are at the greatest risk for suicide are the ones who have seen their neighbors go to war, witnessed their rights eroded and been laid off from job after job without caring do anything about it. If we were all as engaged in finding solutions and fighting for their realization, this would be a much smaller problem. I appreciate the NYT's focus for the sake of those I know who have lost their lives to suicide, but I at least wish the article would've taken the broad view of what it will take to stop a leading cause of death among the young in America. I suppose it would be too much to ask them to address what this nation really has to be ashamed of.

I wonder if Mitt Romney or

I wonder if Mitt Romney or Barack Obama will mention this startling fact on the campaign trail?

Somehow I doubt it.

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Turn off your TV.

I have one of the most important requests of my membership?

I would please like to request in all seriousness who posted this very important post about one of the most serious subjects confronting us today? Michael?,Jon?,Big mike?,Steve MT?, I would really like to thank the person responsible for such a post of current reality. I have been posting similar since my membership here and feel it still needs to be addressed. Please share?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Say what you will. Hero is

Say what you will liberty_first. Hero is just a word....but we will see who comes to the defense of liberty if push comes to shove....some of us made an oath, most of us have had an awakening as to the importance of that oath. I guess this another example of something that you can't fully understand unless you've been there. I wish I could elaborate more,however Ithink rather than isolating veterans and playing down their services, it would be wise to learn from them and embrace them. Liberty needs them,they know the true price of war.

Big Phama has a hand in this...

Where's that "War of Drugs" when you need it?

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Media bias

I clicked the NYT link this morning shortly after this was posted and was linked to the full article. I clicked it again an hour and a half later and am now asked to login to the NYT. I further snooped around the NYT website for articles by Nicholas Kristof and found the article listed as #11 in the http://www.nytimes.com/most-popular-emailed list. Tried clicking the link - same thing - must login. Tried the links for the #12 story and the #10 story and the #9 story. They all link freely. Anybody else have the same experience? Media bias as usual? (looked for this story on drudge andthe blaze too - didn't find it)

No law can give power to private persons; every law transfers power from private persons to government.
-Isabel Paterson

I also was deployed with the

I also was deployed with the 101st in 2010. This kind of stuff hurts me pretty bad. It seems like mainstream America has a problem understanding that it is these continuous endless wars that eat at a persons soul. And after we come home from these things, we are not the same. I describe it as going off to fight ghost in a place where all you are doing is trying to survive, and returning to a country that is to concerned with American idol and sensationalism to try to understand. You feel lost. You feel as though the sacrifices you've seen are not cared about. Hell, you go from leading soldiers to working at the local burger joint,due to the economy. And that's if you can get a job, they look at us like we are loose cannons....So, you feel isolated...After the war zone, the war really just begins in a soldiers mind and spirit.....End these wars NOW! I'm sick of friends dying, and for what?!

I thank you for writing this--


it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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Truth telling is part of the solution, for that

I thank you. The depth of this country's shame from its many wars has never been openly discussed; the media and the federal school system are major culprits. And so are the superficial, self-absorbed drones who do not care that so many die prolonged, tortuous, pointless deaths.

Soldiers are expendable Guinea pigs

They have been ordered to expose themselves to hard radiation at nuclear explosion tests, given hallucinogens and other dangerous drugs with without being told of the effects, and forced to fight with outdated, obsolete and ineffectual equipment. Examples include:

The Royal Flying Corps in WWI forbidding British pilots to wear parachutes for fear they would abandon aircraft to escape combat.

Later, during WW2, "Bomber Harris removed armor plating from British bombers so they could carry a bigger bomb load, notwithstanding the average British bomber crews life expectancy was less than 10 missions.

Inferior Allied tanks force to fight superior tanks during WW2. It was considered acceptable by Allies high command to lose five Sherman tanks to take out one German Tiger tank.

30 deaths from flying the faulty Osprey VN-22.

Donald Rumsfeld re-tooling the US military with lighter, faster vehicles to become a quick reaction force around the world. This proved disastrous during the Iraqi invasion as thin-skinned Humvees, Stryker AFV's and attack helicopters proved to be vulnerable to IED's and ground fire. Remember his classic response to a soldier's criticism during his visit there?

Army Spc. Thomas Wilson: Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to up-armor our vehicles? And why don;t we have those resources readily available to us?

Rumsfeld: It isn't a matter of money. It isn't a matter on the part of the army of desire. It's a matter of production and capability of doing it. As you know, ah, you go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.---You can have all the armor in the world on a tank and it can (still) be blown up...

There's more, but you get the idea. The government and the Pentagon treats all its troops as pawns for career advancement.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

Without a Draft & Real Defensive War

Soldiers are what they are - hired killers (which any country needs and tolerates, like hangmen, tax collectors or prison guards.) Some of them just naively thought they can get free education, travel, experience or a Green card for NOTHING or better to be called "heroes."

And trade unions at Boeing & Lockheed Martin like endless wars (not less than monopolies and subcontractors do) and do not mind calling the troops heroes.

I'd say the troops,for the

I'd say the troops,for the most part are heroes. Most of us joined and take our oaths and brotherhoods very seriously. When it all comes down to it and liberty is truly at stake, it will be the veterans leading the charge. We are proving this already, look at the Vets who stand behind Dr. Paul. And if Americans want their country back they should listen to what the Vets have to say. We are the one screaming the loudest,because as Vets and active duty it's our lives, our friends and families who will lose the most. END THE WARS!

I understand your logic and personal experience

but freedom loving people just cannot call anybody who lives on taxpayers money and helps the government tyranny grow a "hero" regardless of good intentions.

If we judge by intentions, communists are the true heroes. In reality, they are in the same league as any tyranny.

Exactly! They're not heros,

Exactly! They're not heros, thats simply not what the word means. They've been taken advantage of and could be called victims maybe but they're not heros just for putting on a government uniform.

This makes me sick!

As a Desert Storm veteran who suffered severe depression after serving in that war, my heart goes out to these soldiers who are being victimized by the elite and their military/pharma industrial complex which by the way is doing gangbusters in profits at the direct expense of our country and its youth. This is a win win for these treacherous traitors who use up our troops to fight their unconstitutional "wars" and force medicate the walking wounded to the point they destroy themselves thus no need to pay out any benefits or take care of these poor souls who are in a living hell. Make no mistake my friends these troops died as a result of enemy action when you accurately identify who the enemy is, the elite and their government puppets who sent them off in the first place.

Agreed-Don't lump the Ron Paul people in and call it "Our Shame"

The shame lies squarely on people like:
Karl Rove
Dick Cheney
Donald Rumsfeld
George Bush (both of them)
Paul Wolfowitz
Paul Bremer
John McCain
Lyndsey Graham
Joe Lieberman
Hillary Clinton
Michael Medved
Bill O'Reilly
Sean Hannity
Rush Limbaugh
Laura Ingraham
John Gibson

All of these either voted for the Iraq war or supported it.

I'm sure I missed a lot of names but these came to mind right away.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul


how you have dismissed Colin Powell & Condoleezza Rice as affirmative action puppets or pushed them down into "etc." If they were Jewish, they would be close to the top on the list for sure.

I assume a "National Security adviser to the president" or "Secretary of State" has more weight in government decision making than Medved or two Medveds.

Young Generation

should learn from the past and do not accept government jobs - army, police, public school system, municipal jobs, etc.

One may think it is benign and he will just get free education and trade union pension, but then he is the one who makes the big government grow.

Joining Oath Keepers after the fact and thinking he can remain in the system is a half baked compromise wanting two things at the same time.

This is a travesty - but the NYT has it wrong...it is not

OUR shame - WE RP supporters are the ones who want to END this ghastly war and bring all our soldiers home. The big-government, socialist, fascist, Obama-loving NYT is the one who should be ashamed.

bumping for the . . .

suffering people.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

There have been more suicides

There have been more suicides from returning veterans than combined deaths in the wars of Iraq and Afghanistan. War always tears at the fabric of a society's health. Even when the wars are just and moral, the repercussions of those returning will affect the society they return to.
As a Marine and Combat Veteran, I understand the difficulties that stay inside after being part of war. We are not just sending our men and women to possible death overseas, we are setting them up to live in hell when they return.
I hope as a people, we can put political pressure on our reps to stay out of wars unless we are defending our own boarders. We owe that to the men and women willing to die for us. Support the troops and save them from being used for personal gains.

All the poisons in the VACCINES these poor Guinea Pigs..

..injected with!!!! Im telling here and now..there are thousands of Vets who are on a down hill slide within DAYS of getting vaccinated..no word ever spoke about this. And to those of you who know RIGHT NOW a vet that is suffering..you MUST get them some Cannabis Hemp OIL!!! Its a NON TOXIC SAVIOR!! Lets keep this illegal as well..The Big Pharma/FDA/AMA (all in the same bed) will do everything in their power to lie about this God send, and let people suffer and die Just so they can push their poisons. Its time for a CHANGE its time for Dr. Paul to get elected and STOP THE MADNESS!

Cannabis Hemp Oil CURES DISEASE

Could you tell me more about

Could you tell me more about the poisons and vaccines they are injected with. As a new soldier (about to commission) I would like to know more to protect my self and other soldiers. What vaccines will they try to inject me with? Are you a veteran, do you know if I can get these "same" vaccines privately so I can better ensure they are what there supposed to be?

"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler


Somebody told me the other

Somebody told me the other day that "Our troops are heros and fighting for our freedom." He told me that in complete seriousness. When I mentioned the high suicide rate and addiction to prescription drugs he blew it off like it's not worth talking about-thats how people who pride themselves on "supporting the troops" think.

Anybody who supports endless unconstitutional wars doesn't support the troops.

...he blew it off like it's not worth talking about...

This attitude makes me very angry, especially when said in the same breath as, "At least it's keeping us safe."

If and when this carnage affects more people...I doubt there will be this kind of flippant attitude.

There is nothing good that comes from even a just war much, much less an immoral and illegal invasion of innocents (on both sides).

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

ditto that : This attitude makes me very angry

"...This attitude makes me very angry, especially when said in the same breath as, "At least it's keeping us safe." ..."

safe from WHAT?

I have got that BS too and bite my tongue not to blow.

why talk about it?

I switch to 'is your kid or grand kid SAFE today
millions of families think its VERY worth talking about it
or do you only consider your OWN worth talking about'

A quick look down then right back to change the subject and escape fast

the disease of the elite has infected all people

the problems our govt has in its wars are of no concern
those who go to fight those wars are of no concern
but the dues on the club must be paid on time and the
docking fee is a must, doncha kno!
are we using the same gardener this year

OH, YOUR kid got killed
So sorry.

Thats when I want to do some kill stuff.


Makes me sick that this goes on and on

This is what I try to put this stuff into the status qua faces, let them tell me this atrocity does not exist.

This is less about safety anymore, it's getting to be more about entitlements.

This to me is the number one reason to vote for RPs Foreign policy

The pictures and film of the bodies stacked up need to be shown on the news, which will never happen . In fact I am going to just start stapling pictures from the war all over


I remember CNN covered the Iraq war like it was a video game. Made me sick.

They should post these alongside enlistment posters at schools

Think before you enlist


Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin