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BOMBSHELL: Constitution is a Trust, the People are the Beneficiaries! Public Servants are Trustees!

For those that believe this a fringe or kooky theory I've been espousing that the Constitution is a Trust, take a look at this:

If it looks like a Trust; performs like a Trust, and acts like a Trust, then just maybe it is a Trust ..... "In God We Trust"

http://the-legacy.info/Pr...

http://www.1215.org/lawno...

http://virginialandtrusts...

NOTE: Lets start digging through the search engines and find more about this Trust it seems to be, and exactly who are the Trustees, and who are the Beneficiaries, and even just as important, who is the Executor if not "God" as we are possibly led to believe.

And last but not least, from a former judge, at least that's the claim. I think some of the stuff in the article is spot on, not so sure about other parts though:

The United States Constitution was converted into a Trust and the legal definitionof a Trust is: “A legal obligation with respect to property given by one person (donor), to another (trustee), to the advantage of a beneficiary (Americans).” The property in this Trust includes all land, your personal possessions that you believe you own and your physical body. The donor of the Trust is the King of England and the Holy Roman Church. The Trustees are all federal and state public officials, which means that they truly are Agents of a foreign power: the King and the Vatican.The reason the Constitution was converted into a Trust is because, as a non-trust business plan, The Constitution completely bound the hands of our government officials.

By their converting it into a Trust, our public officials were then free to make any changes they desired to this government without their constituents’ knowledge. The rules of a Trust are secret and no trustee can be compelled to divulge those rules; and the rules can be changed by the trustees without notice to the beneficiary. The one pitfall confronting them and their plan was the fact that by converting the Constitution into a Trust, our public officials had to legally assign a beneficiary; and the beneficiary chosen could not offend or be in contrast to the numerous International Treaties that were in force.

Our public officials wanted to stay incontrol of the Trust as the trustees; however, a trustee cannot also be a beneficiary. So even though the Constitution was never designed or written for the Sovereign American people, they unknowingly became the beneficiary of this secret Trust and hence, the creation of the “propaganda” regarding our Constitutional Rights!

Those Americans who do not know how to assert their beneficiary status are treated by the government and its courts as corporate fictions! The corporate governments and their courts have jurisdiction only over corporations. Corporations have no rights or jurisdiction over living people and are onlyprovided considerations, which have been pre-negotiated in contracts by their directors. Otherwise, they’re governed totally by commercial law and so are you.

First : “the Sovereign must inquire if we are on the record, and if not, insist uponit! Say nothing, sign nothing and answer no questions until you are convinced that the proceedings are being recorded!”

Secondly : "all a Sovereign has to say for the record is: “I am a beneficiary of the Trust, and I am appointing you as my Trustee.”

We know how nervous that makes the judges, don't we? See a little of the action here, and listen to the guy bring up dissolving the Cestui Que Vie Trust ...

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Thirdly : "the Sovereign then directs his Trustee to do his bidding! “As my Trustee I want you to discharge this matter I am accused of and eliminate the record.”

Fourthly : "if the Sovereign suffered any damages as a result of his arrest, he candirect that the Trust compensate him from the proceeds of the Court by saying; “Iwish to be compensated for [X] dollars, in redemption.” This statement is sufficient to remove the authority and jurisdiction from any prosecuting attorney or judge. The accused will be immediately released from custody with a check, license or claim he identifies as a damage. It doesn’tmatter what the action involves or how it is classified by the corporate law as acivil or criminal action. It works every time!

All the above were excerpts from here ...

http://www.scribd.com/doc...

Isn't Google amazing?

It sure looks like when we go into court and immediately appoint the judge the trustee of the (E)State they are pretending to be the Administrator of, and take away their presumption that we are the Trustee, it sure does piss them off, and they get real uncomfortable.

Will this same method work if we walk into court claiming we are beneficiaries to the Trust/Corp?

Looks that way ... http://www.werone.co/free... It looks like that little birth certificate we have may have some stroke in proving we have equitable title in the corp/person or possibly the corp. US.

Anytime there's a fraud being perpetrated, if you look hard enough, you'll likely find the "loop hole" that got them there, and that same "loop hole" may be also be the key to our freedoms.

They no longer mind, because as trustees, we no longer matter.

Executor-Beneficiary-Trust = God-We The People-Government

The Holy Trinity

As I've said in the other posts on the DailyPaul, we know about the birth certificate scam; we know it's an (E)State because of the Registrars Seal. That's not a "Birth Certificate", it's a "Death Certificate".

We know about the Cestui Que Vie Act of 1666. We know they have created a fictitious/corporate fiction with regards to the "name" issued on the birth certificate. We know the birth document is an (E)State that is in Probate, and Probate only deals with (E)States of the dead, which is very thoroughly explained here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc...

We know there are two Constitutions, one (for) and one (of), and we know that the UNITED STATES is a Corporation, and that's what their using to trick us into their little scheme by way of the Corporate fictitious name on the birth certificate.

One Constitution for the People and another for the Corporation.

NOTE: If the American people find out they have secretly recreated some secret Trust agreement that is meant to enslave us, and the Constitution does not matter, it will be hell on earth.

Is this something we should dig deeper into? Absolutely!

More research to do, let's start digging!

Peace, and God Bless!

Here's my other forum posts that for some strange reason keep ending up in the off topics section. If this is an possible avenue to reign them in, then is this subject not important enough to look into instead of burying it in the off topic section?

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

If this is a Trust Agreement the Founders originally drew up, and if it's a conversion from that Trust to another "secret" Trust, isn't this something we need to dig deeper into?

What if this is our true legal recourse to stop these loons from driving the country into the ground, and we ignore the possibilities?

"When people die such a civil death in they law they are like ghosts, and thereby incapable of managing their own affairs and enjoying their unalienable rights. Like the estate of a decedent, they are then managed by the executors/administrators of the estate, in probate. Such is the condition of every “citizen of the United States” today in law, managed by the government agencies acting as executors/administrators of their estates in bankruptcy, legal incapacity, and civil death as assets of the bankrupt US. The US is property of the private Real Parties of Interest, the Creditors in bankruptcy."

Source of above: http://usa-the-republic.c...

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Lincoln's Declaration Of Public Trust :

Hartford Van Dyke looks at the Gettysburg Address from a Public Trust perspective.

http://neopa.net/NV3P/resources/Declaration-of-public-trust.pdf

PDF – 10 pgs – 1.9 MB

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

Just a touch on suing "Oaffih-Ills" in their own courts :

Howard Griswold is the one man I'm aware of actively investigating enforcement of the Public Trust on government actors.

https://sites.google.com/site/geminiinvestmentresearchgroup/...

http://geminiinvestmentsresearchgroup.wordpress.com/

Rod Class is a Court Player and teacher by example in court tactics and procedure.

AIB

https://webmail2.centurytel.net/hwebmail/services/go.php?url...

Gemini, AIB and Our site have been in casual cross contact for awhile now.

Howard is a serious Gentleman and I consider his efforts will bear useful fruit. Rod is quietly working the Trust aspect in/by way of approaching “Fiduciary Duties” regarding these supposed Public Offices.

Between the two of them I expect some cookie cutter fireworks in the near term.

More later.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

So What?

So what if it is a trust, what difference does it make?

Some people claim the Constitution is a contract. Some claim it is a document that created the federal government and delegated powers. You are claiming it is a trust.

So what? Even if it is a trust, they are abusing their powers because as trustees, they were never granted the powers to do what they do. Same as if it were a contract or anything else.

There probably have been legal maneuverings over the years by usurpers to "legally" justify how they bastardize the system. But so what? None of it is valid.

So what if they tricked you into getting a driver's license that you really don't need to have? They don't have the authority to induce people into fraudulent contracts in the first place.

I don't have the answer, but it seems to me that the key must have to do with jurisdiction and figuring out a way to hold cops, bureaucrats, legislators, and judges accountable when they violate the rights of the individual by stepping outside their delegated authority.

THAT is the only discussion worth having.

Look at a message board on Fox, CNN, or Yahoo and you will find thousands of people who believe the system is basically good and everybody must and SHOULD follow any "law" out there.

And we have the most corrupt political and judicial system we've ever had. Most people are completely clueless, and that includes the government employees who push their way into our lives at various levels.

So, we have to work from the reality that THIS is what we have to work with.

(1) How can we get charges against us THROWN OUT of court, when the charge has nothing to do with the violation of anyone's rights?

(2) How can we SUE cops, bureaucrats, and judges when they violate our rights?

(3) How can we RECALL legislators who violate their oaths of office?

These are the types of things that America was all about in the first place. These are the types of things that matter to people in their life.

im not sure what differance

im not sure what differance this makes? Even if true, its only a peace of paper and isn't going to force the nazi's who took over our country to do anything they don't want to do. Rights are won on a battlefield and lost in legislation. You can have all the "laws" and "Constiutional Trusts" you want, but if there is no one to enforce them, they don't do shit other than paint you as a political enemy to those who are breaking them when you speak out.

Become a PCO. Find and fill every available PCO spot in your district, take over your GOP and take back our rights through the political battlefield before its too late.

Truth has not always

Truth has not always prevailed in history and just because something is true and doesn't work because of evil men in black robes practicing a witch craft of verbiage does not make it any less true ...

1. I am not in receipt of a document verifying there is a competent witness with first hand knowledge of something seen or heard to establish any facts that can be relied upon to prove State of _____________ statute _____________ applied to me on or about ___________ at approximately _________, and I believe no such document exists.

2. I am not in receipt of a document verifying any Man or Woman is in possession of a justly acquired obligation which can be used to compel or coerce me to operate as a person using a United States citizen title without just compensation for any business in the ordinary course of life, and I believe no such document exists.

3. I am in receipt of a document verifying I am a beneficiary of a United States citizen title named or described FIRST MIDDLE LAST in United States Certificate of Birth number ______ and the State of _____ is in possession of a document bearing live signatures recorded in file number __________ as trustee.

4. I am not in receipt of a document verifying the ruler of the family is not the oldest male and does not possess a capacity titled pater familias, and I believe no such document exists.

5. I am not in receipt of a document verifying ___(any grandparents)__ are alive with any grand sons or grand daughters under their potestas or dependency, and I believe no such document exists.

6. I am not in receipt of a document verifying ___(any older male family members)___ are alive with any sons or nephews under their potestas or dependency, and I believe no such document exists.

7. I am not in receipt of a document verifying I am not the oldest living male in the ________ family, and I believe no such document exists.

8. I am not in receipt of a document verifying the pater familias is not the settlor of all titles using or derived from the family name, and I believe no such document exists.

9. I am in receipt of documents verifying the shortened designation “FIRST M LAST” appearing as “FIRST MIDDLE LAST” on a Certificate of Birth is a full corporate, legal name of a discharged insolvent or alien who is naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdictions thereof because it is a government agency established by the use, employment, and hiring of all capital letters, with a public office held by a person or individual, which performs a function of government in accordance with government published rules of capitalization, spelling, and grammar and derives from the _____ family name.

10. I am not in receipt of a document verifying I was in the possession of a government identification or operating in a for hire capacity as a United (6) States (6) Person (6) using the mark of a United States citizen title to perform a function of government with an intent to profit for the love of money on ______________ at approximately _______, and I believe no such document exists.

11. I am not in receipt of a document verifying a payment tendered to or payroll record of FIRST MIDDLE LAST covering any period which includes ____________ at approximately _________, and I believe no such document exists.

12. I am in receipt of a document verifying private property shall not be taken for a public use without just compensation.

13. I am in receipt of a document verifying a worker is worthy of his wages.

14. I am in receipt of a document verifying statements of counsel in brief or argument are not sufficient for summary judgment, actual facts not mere allegations of complaint are determinative of jurisdiction, and rules of evidence require first hand knowledge not mere heresay.

The smallest unit of government beyond self is a family and the moral decay of American people has led to a breakdown and dysfunction of the family unit of government. The state has been all to eager to fill this vacuum using unjust presumptions and the misapplication of codes, statutes, orders, and decrees.

Footnote?! You want the footnote?! You ca't handle the footnote!

... [Colonel Nathan R. Jessep Addresses the Court on "Code Red." Starts to explain the truth that you wish to ignore. Then was rudely interrupted by defense attorney, asking for a mere yes or no answer.]

A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth" 2 minute dramatization of court recording.

I am a fiction writer. I enjoy telling tales of adventure. I will be much obliged if you will do me the favor of reading this footnote which helps sum up what our overloards what is behind Colonel Jesups words of this version of the truth. What the Printer-That-Be thinks your purchases are worth. By extension they figure how much you owe. Their take.

    The Footnote (to the truth): Depository Trusts (DTCC), a private company.

    Through multiple operating facilities and data centers around the world, DTCC and its subsidiary companies automate, centralize, and standardize the processing of financial transactions for thousands of institutions worldwide. With 40 years of experience, DTCC is the premier post-trade market infrastructure for the global financial services industry, simplifying the complexities of clearance, settlement, asset servicing, global data management and information services for equities, corporate and municipal bonds, government and mortgage-backed securities, derivatives, money market instruments, syndicated loans, mutual funds, alternative investment products, and insurance transactions. In 2011, DTCC’s subsidiaries processed securities transactions valued at approximately US $1.7 quadrillion. Its depository provides custody and asset servicing for securities issues from 122 countries and territories valued at US $39.5 trillion. DTCC’s global OTC derivatives trade repositories record more than US $500 trillion in gross notional value of transactions made worldwide across multiple asset classes.

FISHING

    You see, in our house there was a sort of family prejudice against going fishing if you hadn't permission. But it would frequently be bad judgment to ask. So I went fishing secretly, as it were -- way up the Mississippi. - Mark Twain - Speech. March 7, 1906

Related Mark Twain notes on DTCC @ DailyPaul
Mark Twain fishing the DTCC money hole.

  • "Follow Your Money." DTCC clears most payments. $2 quadrillion each year. 01/29/2013
  • $2 quadrillion? Right here in NY City! DTCC.com 01/24/2013
  • $2 Quadrillion footnote about 55 Water Street flooding DTCC 12/01/2012
  • $2 Quadrillion, as a river flowed through. 55 Water Street flooded DTCC 12/01/2012
  • $1.66 Quadrillion Cash Flow Run by One Company. DTCC.com 04/08/2012

55 Water Street, NY: $2 Quadrillion money pit. Up comes a bubbling crude. Liquidity. Taxes Tea. You're sold!

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

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in 2 days to The-Legacy.Info and still no more comments in this old thread that hasn't seen light in 44 days.

Interesting.

Thanks for stopping by.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

Make it 7

very impressive website. After reading the home page I can see you have a solid grasp of what is going on. I'll be likely absorbing the rest of what you have to offer tonight.

Thank You vinceableworld :

Appreciate your stopping by. Will pass your comment along to Bun.

TommyPaine : The constitution is a contract also. Trusts ARE contracts. Guess I should have done a page on the Dual Nature of the instrument.

The main point is this is a personal mater and the individual must enforce the terms against the offender as another individual. As you note, that's not so easy these days. Government actors have long since abrogated their responsibilities for power and profit. Just because they've done so doesn't relieve them of the original responsibilities of Office.

Getting things "thrown out" of Court isn't that hard if One has the presence of mind and ability to apply themselves to the Rules of Court and Evidence. When the STATE brings a charge of infraction the opportunity is to file a Cross Complaint well before the first appearance date. Rod Class and AIB Network materials line it out pretty well.

Suing Cops and Bureaucrats is also a Class speciality and I will defer to his info.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=4...

You might get on the Big List via rod-class@rayservers.com . Will give current info and updates with links. Lots to learn there. Pretty sure the subject line is "Subscribe".

Recall Legislators ? That's the pickle. Our election process has been a sham for many decades. Voting is less than a bad joke. See what you can search on the Collier Brothers "Vote Scam".

I will say it can be fun to take them to Small Claims Court for Performance of Contract. At least it was at the time. At best you could end up with a Default Judgement against them when they don't show. Just a no danger way of getting a little experience under your belt. Then again you could end up classified a "Paper Terrorist", for whatever that's worth. If so, Welcome to the Club.

Well Folks, need to do a few more chores this eve in prep for the alleged foot of snow coming. Will continue as I can.

All the Best.

( Edit Note : Set things in order and spelling. Little tired today )

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

Well, . . . :

. . . it's almost a day later. I did notice a thread down vote within minutes of my posting. If that's all Opponents have to offer, well, pathetic.

You know, we hear the old saw that “If you're not taking flack you're not over the target”.

I think fishyculture's comment hits closer to the point.

>When they don't even take the time to marginalize the people asking questions, you know you are hitting them in a sensitive spot.<

Crickets are all I hear from so called government and their thugs. For a lot of years now. Crickets.

Best of Luck All.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

bump

Do you know anything about this "One People's Trust" thing? I made the decision to look into it, and again, I am having trouble getting any traction. I have info fatigue or something on this issue. I KNOW it is important, but for anything to truly "ignite the masses" it HAS to be simple. I don't have the energy to wade to the bottom of this bunny hole, and I believe it is correct and important. How can there be any mass movement, if the movement is so encumbered in legalese that the masses cannot grasp it, let alone move anything?

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

I haven't seen any evidence or results

which would suggest OPPT is legit.

“One People's Trust” ?

Yes.

To my way of thinking it is merely another imaginative convolution of the UCC. People in my circle of confidants have been through most of this to no effect. Bloody colored thumb or toe prints not withstanding.

I went through my own UCC phase in the first few years of the 1990s, having learned from Howard Freeman, The Informer and The Johnathan Swift Society. What I took away was the language is what is important, not the Code citation, which is quite restrictive. “Without Prejudice” had meaning long before French Law in America was used to frame the Commercial Codes.

Trust Law can be quite confusing. The Legacy materials address this about as simply and completely as possible. Understanding basic application however is simple.

I'm being called to eat so will continue as time allows.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

The subject is “Constitution is a Trust”:

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.”— Dresden James

Not my intention to come off combative, just adamant. This isn't my thread after all.

The web references to some self proclaimed ex-judge finding out how the so called sovereign deals in court and walks is BS. This has been shredded to confetti on other boards. The only truth is there is a Trust and Fiduciary relationship involved and some people who have gone to court, even half-cocked on the subject, are ushered out. They ( courts / politicians ) won't address it because any recognition of their creator Trust is an admission to liability in proper Discharge of Duties under the same.

Uncertain what >Bottom line, provide a few cases where this has been shown to be successful < refers to. “this” is unspecified.

Don't know what is meant by >whole 300,000 dollar bond thing<. Nor do I care actually, unless someone would enlighten me.

The subject is “Constitution is a Trust”. This I can address, being publisher of source link www.The-Legacy.Info .

Want some kind of “proof”? Of what? That US Government is a Trust? How 'bout their words?

63C Am.Jur.2d, Public Officers and Employees, §247

“As expressed otherwise, the powers delegated to a public officer are held in trust for the people and are to be exercised in behalf of the government or of all citizens who may need the intervention of the officer.

[1]Furthermore, the view has been expressed that all public officers, within whatever branch and whatever level of government, and whatever be their private vocations, are trustees of the people,

[2]and accordingly labour under every disability and prohibition imposed by law upon trustees relative to the making of personal financial gain from a discharge of their trusts...

[3] and owes a fiduciary duty to the public...

And so on. So they are trustees? Of what? Hummm . . .

There is not much to be found in published court cases, regardless of Am. Jur. review. Fact is the courts and government have little to no authority, nor any inherent jurisdiction concerning Trust Law. Their Office was and is created under Trust provisions. They are bound by Trust ( which is universal, not statute and coded ). They have no business at all in Trust matters, unless invited in. Like setting up a “Statutory Trust” to handle some real estate, or to entertain a suit for breach properly brought in Equity.

They know it. They like it that way. It's how they keep their affairs private as possible.

Last I paid any attention, WASHINGTON D.C. had no Trust Statutes to speak of. Humm . . . Situs a Trust in D.C. and restrict to “governed by the laws of Domicile” , etc. and then what? Get sued? There is nothing to direct the action. No Statutes to violate. No Rules of Court to be followed. No Original Record filing requirements. You want asset protection and privacy in your business? Got a clue friends?

Covering up cases? Doubtless. Decisions referenced “Not for Publication” are easy to come by.

I'm currently peripherally involved in finding published records of a case that shows up in a single citing, yet could not be physically found in the Clerk's Records in the original court house. ( SUPRISE ) That's a first for me. In all the obscure archival work I've done the filings can at least be discovered in the records kept at the original venue. In this instance there is published reference and quote to a Decision. Yet apparently no Original Record. We have a Case #, published Decision reference, yet no Case Jacket to see the Original Complaint filing and attendant Response, Docket Sheet, etc.. And people demand written record.

Who's your Librarian for the Record? Does anyone understand what I just expressed?

If something is found on this it will be like David Dodge's discovery on the original 13th Amendment. Stuck away in some little library archives in a court house basement, attic or private collection. That's just the way it is.

Aside Rant : I used to be a regular at the Los Angeles County Law Library, a Federal Repository where everything legal publication is supposed to be ( unless some hole ripped out the page. Lots of stuff missing in the IRS records area ).

The really old documents were not on the shelf. You needed to go to the reference desk and ask. In a few moments you would be provided with a pair of gloves and requested documents. You could stand there to read or go to a designated table. You needed to be within sight of the library staff at all times while you held the documents. No going across the room to the copier. Don't want to break the spine on an antiquarian volume or subject it to fading from the light of a copier. I understand that. Some of the stuff we were looking at was folio size anyway. Copy machine is out. We wanted a copy, we needed to photograph. No way to Certify a photo as True and Correct Copy anyway.

With me so far?

So one week, documents weren't there. The Desk Clerk professed no idea where they were or what happened to them. Fortunately, one of my research partners had been such a fixture he'd developed a first name relationship with the Head Librarian. He found out the old stuff had been moved to the L.A. County Main Public Library, recently renovated after a fire. In the Music Department vault, of all places. The safest atmosphere controlled space available apparently. To see anything we needed to make a vault appointment with the Music Librarian who would take specific requests and give you another appointment time to see it, maybe next week. IF they found it. And often they didn't because their holding index was not standard legal reference. They had no idea what we were asking for, we had no idea how their indexing was done to ask.

You want a memory hole? Try to get into that one.

Rant Off :

A simple record of Dismissal doesn't give the circumstance which would satisfy >shown to be successful<.

Traffic and Municipal cases Dismissed? Becoming more common. But don't make the NEWS.

Now, how to prove any case against someone was Withdrawn? Never heard of “withdrawn charges” ?

You've heard of Expungement perhaps. Where the Records concerning a “First Time Offender” are sealed by grace of the Judge so as not to impugn a reputation and give a second chance at being a “good citizen”. Records are not available outside the Court system, unless or until the first timer get busted again. Then it all comes out.

How could one prove anything from the Record because they broached or invoked Trust?

When a Withdrawal occurs there is no Record except what is in the pocket of the accused. Court wise, individual case # disappears. Court Clerk case jackets also. The only thing you'll find is a line referenced in the daily Court Docket sheet. That reference leads nowhere. Like the whole thing never existed. Equitably, their admitted mistake in charging can not be evidenced to prejudice or impugn. At least in their Presumptive / Appearance / Legal Fiction world. The charges were WITHDRAWN. Poof – all gone. They never existed. Best they can do, kiss your boo-boo. If your requirement of “Proof” is dependent upon available Public Record, good luck.

You got to LIVE this. You got to be there watching the thing go down. You got to be the camera man. You got to carry the spy cam pen or mini audio recorder through the metal detector. You got to care enough to be there.

You want video tapes? Around here the County Court rooms have video. You can get the vid transcription by paying big bucks for it. Get it while it's hot. But don't come back next week. They won't have it. The vids are not Permanent Record. It's just in case some crank tweaker goes ape dingies and punches out a Bailiff, or something like that. It's for their protection, not a record for yours.

So try to get an independent video camera in the Court Room these days. Good luck. It can be done. There are procedures for vid and audio tape record and independent stenographers. If you got the pockets to pay and know the rules, good on you.

There is no Short and Sweet in this. Never heard such like before? We are all innocent in our ignorance.

No one calls for justice;
No one pleads his case with integrity.
They rely on empty arguments and speak lies;
They conceive trouble and give birth to evil.
They hatch the eggs of vipers and spin a spider's web.
— Isaiah 59:4-5

Peace All.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

Ok, I've read the literature on this stuff.

Everyone who espouses it usually will write 10000 page posts which are difficult at best to get through. It seems believable, the best I have found is "THE TRUTH" written by "anonymous", it's around 14 chapters, but does have some sound evidence which I have researched and checked...

Bottom line, provide a few cases where this has been shown to be successful. Obviously "they" don't want you to know, and cover successful cases up. But someone out there needs to provide video, or maybe South, you could hire a lawyer or have lunch with a judge (I have contemplated this as I do have a friend who is a judge), off the record of course. But the whole 300,000 dollar bond thing, utility companies get paid by that bond is waaay out there.

There may be some validity here, but my fear is a lot of what is preached is merely half truth's, which is why some hard evidence is needed, or someone will get themselves in deeeep s(*&.

Curious

Show me instances where sovereign citizens have been successful using their strange interpretations in a court of law? Most of this stuff goes way over peoples heads... if you want them to pay attention, you need some red meat to give them.

I would presume that those that succeeded used these ideas.

Roe vs. Wade concurred woman is sovereign.

It also considered 14th amendment citizens, extending the rights give to women.

I've run across this bipolar thinking when reading other recent court cases.

I agree with the signers of the Constitution. Somehow, I have unalienable rights.

No power has the authority to a'lien' my rights. No lien can be placed on my rights. My rights cannot be made alien to me.

A Declaration of independence is the right of sovereigns. Every man king and every woman a queen. Voluntary co-operation provides economies of scale.

Coercion disrupts the natural order and is counter productive, in general.

Free includes debt-free!

This is interesting too

"On September 17, 1787 twelve State delegates approved the Constitution for the united States of America, and the States became the Constitutors. What is the legal definition of the term, "constitutor"? A Constitutor: In the civil law, one who, by simple agreement, becomes responsible for the payment of another's debt. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed.) The States were now liable for the United States debt owed to the King of England, but the people of America were not yet liable, because they were not a party to the Constitution since it was never put to them for a vote. On August 4, 1790 an Act was passed that, for all intents and purposes abolished the States and created Federal Districts. In this Act each District was assigned a portion of the debt. Then the states reorganized their governments, which had to be done because the States needed to "legally" (under men's laws) transfer the bonded obligation for debt repayment from the states to the people. The original State Constitutions were never submitted to the people for a vote, so the governments wrote new constitutions and submitted them to the people for a vote, thereby binding the people to the debts owed to Great Britain. Once again, deception is used to get the people to unknowingly volunteer into bondage."

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

Read" The Ultimate Delusion "

"It is a contract between: the States, the founders (through their insider legal establishments of those incorporated States), and the king of England. The constitution itself was not signed by any human, it was only signed "In witness" on behalf of the States. Since you are not a party to that contract, then you can't possibly have ANY rights under that contract.

If you don't believe read Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah. 14 Georgia 438, 520 which states 'But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it.'..."

Stephen Ames, in his essay entitled "The Ultimate Delusion" Link below.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/ultimate_delu...

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

Just a Footnote :

"It is only by considering the granted powers, in their true character of
trust or delegated powers, that all the various parts of our complicated
system of government can be harmonized and explained". ( SP "harmonized" in original transcription )

- John C. Calhoun, ( 7th Vice President of the United States ) A Discourse
on the Constitution and Government of the United States - (1851
posthumous)

- A Discourse on the Constitution and Government of the United States
http://www.constitution.org/jcc/dcgus.htm

- A Disquisition on Government http://www.constitution.org/jcc/disq_gov.htm
John C. Calhoun http://www.constitution.org/jcc/intro_jr.htm

In my years explaining and applying this understanding, I have come to find the Trust aspect to be most useful in putting "Public Officials" on edge or defensive. Should the people at large come to understand this principal, and put them in their proper place, I expect we would soon see a shift from the current corrupt systems. Question is "Are there enough Statesmen and Women" to fill the need in replacing career thieves?

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

I just noticed this comment.

Thank you again for you input and study. Every time I bring this "Trust" topic up, it swiftly gets trashed in the Off Topic section of the forum.

We must be diligent in bringing this issue to the forefront. The public servants ARE the public trustees; they took the trustees oath for crying out in silence, but still no one seems to understand the relevance of this topic with respect to our freedoms.

I will continue to hammer this home every chance I get. Thank You for your posts in all of my threads on this topic, it's nice to have at least one other person that seems to not only grasp this concept, but has some interesting views and knowledge of their own to add substance and legitimacy to the topic.

Thank You!

Look at it this way

If they would have had a trustees bond, they would be in default. The states need to step up to the plate, if pushed far enough maybe they will.

FYI South :

The Legacy site still receives regular and returning visits from this post. 3 this week alone. Months down the RP mem hole and still generating interest. There may be hope yet! Thanks.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

Just noticed this comment Heir.

That's good to hear. Keep pounding it home; they'll eventually wake up. Someday, some prominent member of this forum will start a thread saying "Look what I found", and it will be a reiteration of all we've been trying to drive home for the last two years, and finally this place will wake up.

As I've said before: Sometimes it's not the information brought forth as much as it is WHO brings the information forth before people open their eyes.

Fight on, we're winning.

I think it is deeper than that, it is breaking conditioning.

Ron Paul gathered us here under a flag of "Save the Constitution!" A whole lot of sheep woke up here, and still consider the mission that awakened them a type of holy grail. We were ALL totally brainwashed into the myth of "citizenship" and "save the Constitution" at least resonates with that brainwashing. To be able to say the entire foundation of our national identity is bogus requires a willingness to leap into The Void, to admit that ANOTHER part of "me" is not who I thought it was...
Some days the crown rests heavy upon the head of a Sovereign... But here's to you, Your Majesty. Your efforts are greatly admired by this little Queen.
Have you looked into agorism? It is the practical application of self governance. It is not "The Answer" but it is a piece of the puzzle.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Agorism ?

Yes, the Principals are appealing.

The Public Trust is a subject even Mr. Paul will not publicly acknowledge, lauding the contract aspect while avoiding the nature of the instrument. At least to my knowledge he's never addressed this..

Nor any of the “Alternative/Tea Party” type candidates or election staffs I contacted to initiate dialogue on the subject. No one wants to talk about it. To do so is an admission of personal liability for acts in official capacity, exposing the government cons and strong arm rackets for what they are.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

Yeah, no one will discuss it.

When they don't even take the time to marginalize the people asking questions, you know you are hitting them in a sensitive spot. I guess they did make a big fuss about the "sovereign" dad and son who killed a trooper in TN to try to smear the movement, but I think they are afraid to say it very loud or very often. The natives are getting curious, and the internet turned out to be the WORST mass control plan ever...

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Need a celebrity spokesperson is it?

This guy isn't a member here, but has certain amount of name recognition.

"It is only by considering the granted powers, in their true character of trust or delegated powers, that all the various parts of our complicated system of government can be harmonised and explained".

- John C. Calhoun, ( 7th Vice President of the United States ) - A Discourse on the Constitution and Government of the United States - (1851 posthumous)

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info