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Ron Paul on Bradley Manning, Wikileaks and Government Transparency

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Ron Paul wants protection for Bradley Manning and other whistleblowers

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Republican Party presidential hopeful Ron Paul answers a question on April 12, 2012 during a campaign stop in San Antonio, Texas. Addressing concerns over how he would handle whistleblowers if president, Congressman Paul offers his support for accused WikiLeaks contributor PFC Bradley Manning and says Americans should be protected for telling the truth.

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Isn't Ron Paul a whistleblower (in a sense?)

I think in this instance Dr. Paul may not have known the whole Manning story. He answered the question to the best of his knowledge. Completely acceptable IMHO. He's not a JAG attorney, right?

Military personnel take an oath to uphold the constitution. Not only are they bound to speak up about unconstitutional acts its their right to, protected by the 1st ammendment, as long as they're not releasing classified information. Manning was charged the latter. Protection was given under the 6th ammendment.

It was found that Manning was admitted to an on-base mental hospital for severe emotional disturbance two months before receiving deployment orders. Classified information or not the Military "experts" deployed a physically, emotionally, and mentally unfit person when he should have been discharged all together.

If it weren't for the fact that the Nobel Peace Committee

DOESN'T have ANY credibility left, after awarding luminaries like Gandhi and MLK, only to turn around and laughably award proven warcriminals like Kissinger and oBUSHma, I'd whole heartedly nominate, and present that the ONLY living person ALIVE right here, right now that DESERVES the Nobel Peace Prize, at least by its stated intent as initiated by Alfred Nobel, is one Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul.

He is not only a whistleblower, but a whistleblower who fights the powers that be with an ACTIVE cadre of MILLIONS of activists behind him, all doing so out of individual initiative, NOT out of 'cult of personality' or 'worship.'

Who else in history can claim that?

Not to take anything away from Dr. MLK, but had activists and backers. But, we have activists and backers who ARE directly engaging political action via existent system, as well as those outside it, with a fully comprehensive econ model to match!

For all the hoopla any modern movements have made waves in, on the most part, they were ALWAYS ASKING govt for MORE 'money' and services. Where as ALL we're DEMANDING and TAKING are our own natural rights back, and exercising it, with or without govt terrorists approval, with one goal in mind: leave us the HELL alone to pursue our own self interests, voluntarily.

Oh yes. The Ruling Class has never seen anything like it. And, rightfully so, they're going ape scheisse and apoplectic deploying their age-old feudal models that fail, and are simply getting desperate as their own stated occult Dec 21, 2012 deadline loom, and don't know what to do about it, as they literally have NOTHING to 'offer' us. Unlike ALL their previous manufactured bouts with their 'peons.'

hahahahaha.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Manning was justified

Try Googling the responsibilities of a soldier under the terms of the Geneva Convention, to which America is a signatory, and to which every soldier has sworn to uphold. Manning's superiors are the ones who should be facing the Courts.

DespairingAussie

We don't see eye to eye

This is the one point where I disagree with Dr. Paul. This is military personnel we are talking about here, not just a government employee.

I agree as a government employee Manning would be protected by the whistle blower act, but not as a member in the military. He stole and distributed classified information. This is a big no-no in the military. This is about one of the worst things you can do. We can't set a precedent of soldiers giving out classified information for political reasons and going unpunished. For military discipline, he has to be punished.

It is the willy nilly classification of all things...

...that Manning exposed that should rip you from your high and mighty "military intelligence" perch and send you fluttering broken winged to the ground.

No military personnel, operating unconcionably in a combat zone should be somehow "protected" in their actions by a faux veil of a "need" for operational secrecy when the operation itself is a war crime. Criminality is criminality and Manning exposed criminality.

In my view, Manning stood to his oath to protect the Constituion from enemies foreign and domestic...in this case it was anti-rule-of-law domestic enemies who, by their murderous actions in defining rules of engagement, place America and her citizens at risk abroad...and without Manning...unbeknownst to them.

That "soldiers" are expected to "obey without question" is why the unwarrented death and desruction that Manning exposed occurred. Now you ask us to respect that same paradigm as if now it will be "right" to do so. Eyes Roll.

Are you also the type that says we have no need to see the 9/11 films from the cameras mounted evry 100 feet along the rim of Pentagon? Or are you OK with the government maintaining operational secrecy in order to "save" Americans from any further conssternation that may come from seeing an Airliner auger into the Pentagon? Eyes Bounce and Roll.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Well if you condone this kind of activity

Then you must never criticize anyone for espionage. Everybody has a right to know everything.

This is dangerous, especially regarding military operations.

Their can be 0 tolerance for this kind of stuff in the military. Where do you draw the line?

the line starts and stops with

those that are strictly limited to Constitutional activities. Period.

Then again, like all other sectors of govt, the fact that the Constitution is not viewed in an absolute manner, with one clear 'interpretation' of its words that no one in govt can argue over, what people actually do, while rationalizing away their actions is wholly another matter.

Frankly it's the duty of ALL servicemen/women to defy ILLEGAL and/or UnConstitutional orders, like murdering innocent civilians, torture, assassinations, using military assets to aid or directly conduct illegal UnConstitutional surveillance and/or propaganda against the American citizenry, etc.

I would say if one is a sworn officer, that 'line' should be clear.

Let's face it: ALL upper echelon military brass are political positions. PERIOD. They can pretend it's not, but they're just another group of politically expedient animals who have no qualms about violating their oaths to the Constitution, if it means continued employment, guaranteed pensions, and/or cushy defense contractor jobs at the company that they previously procured products for the military.

Now there are many Constitutionalists in the military, who frankly under the last two administrations COULD've committed coups, but didn't as once that precedence is set, they above anyone else in the nation know all too well the full ramifications of it; many here feel that yes, we're already a de facto policestate where corporatists and their political commissar lackeys in Bankster hijacked govt are continuing to murder, torture, rape, and steal TRILLIONS. But, as insanely as bad as that is, once the American Republic faces the specter of an OPEN military coup de tat, not a covert one as many already believe 9/11 were, it's truly irrecoverable from then on. The Republic WILL die forever, if and when that happens.

So these men and women truly know what it means to refrain themselves. Although it'd be SO easy for them, who are trained to kill foreigners and destroy another country's infrastructure to do the same here, they don't and won't. At least those cognizant patriots won't.

Unfortunately, it seems it's always the reluctant ones with still operative ethics and morals at the upper echelon military brass who are always predictably pushed out, or resign voluntarily. Though can't blame them, but can't help but to wish that they lead from within. Then again, who knows if there are pockets of Oath Keepers/Patriots keeping their head down, for the time being.

Those men and women truly 'get' it. It's not easy for an honest, honorable person to serve the State. Because all it ever does is, like any good pimp, makes you promises, but then bitchslaps you, use you, abuse you, and spit you out and throw you away. Yet, even after Vietnam, one has to wonder how effective MSM propaganda is, even though we ARE the country that created the TV/Film medium to such heights, you'd think people would be wise to how media propaganda works after growing up in it for almost a century now.

But sadly, no.

So the military enlistment is still relatively high. Regardless of Vietnam, regardless of GWB, and regardless of oBUSHma. The Citizenry continually fall for it, unfortunately.

Nullification is a sound measure, wherever you apply it against anywhere that UnConstitutionality roam free. Of course, how the military and the Executive Branch as a whole respond to it all is wholly another matter. Then again, what 'justice' should one expect from a bunch of Wall St. bankster hijacked govt and their terrorist commissars to do, when faced with the prospect of exposure on all their crimes?

It'd be akin to Gandhi arguing against Dr. Mengele over morals and ethics of eugenicist bio-weapons experiments. What else would we expect a bunch of criminals to do? Accept defeat, and own up to their crimes, or make more hay of the fact that one of their former underling 'peons' decided to expose their obvious crimes?

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Well if you condone this kind of activity

Then you must never criticize anyone for espionage. Everybody has a right to know everything.

This is dangerous, especially regarding military operations.

Their can be 0 tolerance for this kind of stuff in the military. Where do you draw the line?

The Eyes Have It?

I am not conversant with ALL the details of this case, but my initial impulse is to agree with you -- provisionally.

Not exactly changing the subject, but suppose that you, a sergeant, were ordered by the lieutenant to fire into a crowd of noncombatants who were simply standing by the side of the road and presenting no threat whatsoever. If you disobey, should you be prosecuted? If you obey his UNLAWFUL order, you WILL be prosecuted. I recall distinctly my own oath, which was probably the same oath taken by Manning and Paul. I agreed to support the Constitution and to obey all LAWFUL orders given under its authority. The Uniform Code of Military Justice requires GIs to disobey unlawful orders.

Bradley Manning should be tried for possible misconduct, and if exonerated, his "superiors" should be brought to trial for THEIR misconduct. In the meantime, he should NOT be tortured the way he has been during his confinement.

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so your ok with being lied to...

as long as it pertains to the military? look, i understand the military has rules and im a rule of law type dude, but if the govt is covering stuff up,especially as it pertains to putting american soldiers in harms way over a lie, it needs to have light shed on it.

St.Amant, LA...Libertarian Party of Ascension Parish

yup. just like nullification,

NO ONE in this country is 'required' to follow UnConstitutional 'laws,' period!

Of course, considering that we live in a policestate, what 'they' do, in response is whole other matter.

But, doesn't erase the veracity of an individual's morally and ethically right position.

Hey, we're a country that SCOTUS at one time ruled slavery legal.

Statists are fair-weathered 'ethicists' to begin with. Their default position, as far as I'm concerned at this point in history, is govt terrorist who are guilty until proven innocent.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

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Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

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Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul