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Doug Wead: Ron Paul Pandemic causes Romney split

"There is a split at the senior levels of the Mitt Romney campaign over how to deal with the ongoing Ron Paul takeover of the Republican Party, this, from an old friend inside. Some are saying, “Let it happen, so what? We have the nomination, they represent youth and Hispanics and they are the future, we need them.” Others, I will call them Romney Hawks, are saying, “We don’t know exactly how many delegates they have and that, in itself, is dangerous. They already have enough to embarrass us at the Republican National Convention in Tampa.” (cont'd)

http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/ron-paul-pandemic-c...

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Regardless now, the delegate numbers are gridlocked in Tampa....

Regardless of what they do, they can't overcome the fact that the delegate numbers are so huge they're going to be gridlocked come the national convention.

Romney has a *HUGE* problem - he's in the pocket for Goldman Sachs, so he isn't electable to beat Obama on his own. That is reality.

But with Paul, he's of course, electable. The grid lock begins.

You're looking at either Romney/Paul or Paul/Romney or a third option with Romney the head of Treasury. I wish I could say otherwise, folks. But that is reality here!

And look at it this way, either direction is a net positive for Paul....because Romney has committed crimes & he's going to have to clear things up in court, plus may not be vet worthy for the P position but more likely VP instead. So either direction, Paul wins a net gain of higher influence through any deals.

http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/2012/03/march-26-2012-white-h...

Also: It seems Ben Fulford is one of Mitt's handlers, and he doesn't want Ron Paul to take over no matter what. Why? Because he's afraid the entire banking sector would receive a wrecking ball to the face. Many of his partners are bankers since he's seemingly crooked. So if someone ends up indicted in this entire circus, we absolutely have to have Paul in there to sort the mess out when/if Big Suit Man has to clear up problems in court.

“They like to pretend we don’t exist,

we don’t have a campaign,” he said to cheers. “But you can’t stop a message whose time has come.”

Ron Paul 2012
R3VOLUTION!!!

Caution is best

Some posts are giving away pieces of information. It seems like a little piece of info is benign. But a good analyst collects all the pieces and reveals a story.

"He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious." Sun Tzu.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Ron Paul pandemic!

Just let them know that we intend to stop Mitt Romney at all costs, too. We're not out to embarrass Mitt Romney, we're out to beat him and to win the nomination and the November election!

I'm fed up with the idiots (such as Ted Nugent worshippers) who say it's time to line up behind Romney, because he's the officially designated "anybody but Obama."

If Obomney was trusted as the anti-Obama, then Rick Santorum would endorse him, right? Obomney gets a D- on gun rights, and Mr. I Kill What I Eat still endorses him? For whatever faults Rick might have, he's not reflexively a tool of the establishment like Nugent.

Sarah Palin is all over the talk shows, constantly endorsing Ron Paul's ideas, openly declaring that Dr. Paul has good ideas that need to be part of the Republican debate, while politely "conceding" that Dr. Paul "can't" win the nomination.

This battle is very far from over--and it is more than just a count of delegates from another handful of primaries. I think there are many conservatives who are going to suddenly stand their ground and say NO to yet another moderate McFailure, and especially say NO f-ing way to a pro-abortion, anti-gun, former governor of the bluest state in the union.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

Bump for lifting my spirits!

Thank you, Maeve, for posting this here. Thanks to all who have commented. After the Rand Paul thread today and the comments there, I must say, this is very welcome news, indeed!

In my gut, I just knew they were afraid.. very afraid, not just of Ron Paul but, of us, too! Great to receive this confirmation!

From Alaska Ron Paul Organizers:

Let it be for now. They are taking care of it. Go see posts on Doug Weads facebook for more info. Don't send hate mail, call, email, etc.. Let the ground forces and the Paul campaign handle it.

Just an FYI:

http://www.dailypaul.com/227556/breaking-news-alaska-gop-che...

http://www.facebook.com/DougWeadOfficial

"If you put a gun to my head and said vote Romney/Gingrich/Santorum...I would say pull the trigger!"

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They realize, everyone does,

They realize, everyone does, that in the last four years there has been a shift, one that will be increasingly difficult to ignore by either of the establishment Parties, indeed, it will be hard for the government to ultimately ignore what is happening in this country as more and more awaken to the ideals and cause of individual Liberty and Freedom! There are two and only two paths upon which this country is traveling and it is traveling them at the very same moment in time, it is like a mirror reflecting an image with one being the reverse of Liberty and Freedom, the other being the very heart of Liberty and Freedom.

Before it is over, there will be millions, tens of millions of Americans who will wake to the cause and it will force the hand of the Statists, exposing every weakness and folly that this government has engaged in through its usurpation and abuse of powers never delegated to it by law.

We are fortunate to live in a time where history will once again be made, a history written, not by the Statists, but by the Patriots who love this country and will give their lives for the Liberty of which their Forefathers once died. This Revolution began several years ago in the hearts and minds of people, it will be a difficult struggle, but it will prevail as before. There is no other way for it to be, it will happen as the forces of the Statists stand against Liberty, the forces of Liberty will stand against the Statists.

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

Wead is a crackpot.

There has been no takeover of GOP by Ron Paul. You can only fight Romney via another avenue. He and his crony buddies at Goldman Sachs own GOP and much of media.

jj

"You can only fight Romney

"You can only fight Romney via another avenue."

And the avenue you would suggest? I'm not sure if Wead is suggesting there has been a takeover. However, I would suggest we are making some inroads and that people of Romney's ilk are not comfortable. Making them uncomfortable is good, no matter what else might be done in the future. Of course, we should not be satisfied with merely giving them a headache.

Need a home for those turning.

see my comment below:

GOP is already taken up and establishment is not sharing its power with anyone, except with the psychotic so-called religious zealots like Beck and Bachman and Santorum.

So, for those turning with the tide, they need a home. And now they have no home, unless you send those people to a third party away from the reach of romney.

jj

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I could care less about

I could care less about Romney, actually I could care less about Obama. The fact is that the tide is beginning to turn, even if Romney or Obama win the election, in the end it will not matter. Granted, if Dr. Paul were in the Whitehouse, the forces of Revolution would have a leg-up, but regardless of what happens in November, they will not be able to reverse what is taking place, it will grow, it will spread and it will become a force that they will not be able to control or destroy, though they will try!

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

Tide turning, but there is no avenue for that tide

GOP is already taken up and establishment is not sharing its power with anyone, except with the psychotic so-called religious zealots like Beck and Bachman and Santorum.

So, for those turning with the tide, they need a home. And now they have no home, unless you send those people to a third party away from the reach of romney.

jj

"...regardless of what

"...regardless of what happens in November, they will not be able to reverse what is taking place, it will grow, it will spread and it will become a force that they will not be able to control or destroy...

I am very hopeful that this is all completely true... but I think it safer to doubt its inevitability. If it is simply bound to happen, we need not work to make it happen. On the other hand, if we are doubtful of the outcome (pro or con) it may make us work harder. Let's work harder while staying as hopeful as you are my friend.

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"I am very hopeful that this

"I am very hopeful that this is all completely true... but I think it safer to doubt its inevitability. If it is simply bound to happen, we need not work to make it happen. On the other hand, if we are doubtful of the outcome (pro or con) it may make us work harder. Let's work harder while staying as hopeful as you are my friend."

Oh, it is definitely inevitable due to the fact that there will, as the economy, the government corruption, the government's attempt at control escalates, be a clash of ideas, a clash of intent, a clash of desires and wills. It is completely unavoidable at this point in our history. As far as not working toward it, I made no such inferences, quite the contrary when I stated that, like our forefathers, the battle lines have been drawn and as with any battle there must be much planning, preparation and on top of it all, a great deal of determination to reach success. There can be no less dedication to Liberty than there was with the first American Revolution!

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

"As far as not working toward

"As far as not working toward it, I made no such inferences, quite the contrary when I stated that, like our forefathers, the battle lines have been drawn and as with any battle there must be much planning, preparation and on top of it all, a great deal of determination to reach success."

I do not see (nor saw) any such statement in the comment to which I responded. I saw only your statement about its inevitability with no qualifiers based on our subsequent behavior. But regardless, my comment was meant in a positive way and as an encouragement, not an accusation.

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There are no

There are no qualifiers...people are not naturally inclined toward revolution or even rebellion of any type. It takes certain events to gear people toward rebellion. Therefore, based on what I have seen through history and what I am now seeing, the inclination toward such revolution happens as events coalesce in certain patterns, those patterns are becoming more obvious and the awareness of more people is also following certain patterns in past revolutionary movements. As such, there comes a time when the eventual momentum of an idea becomes "viral", lacking a better word and revolution happens, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

We maybe having two different

We maybe having two different conversations at the same time - you one and me the other. I was merely explaining that I did not see the comment you claim was there. Then I tell you what i did see, only to have you explain and qualify what I did see. I was merely pointing out something in the conversation. Okay, have it your way. Now I will respond...

"There are no qualifiers...people are not naturally inclined toward revolution or even rebellion of any type. It takes certain events to gear people toward rebellion."

Isn't there something wrong with saying there are no qualifiers, right before you offer some; namely, 'certain events' that gear people to achieve certain ends? People are not automatons or plants, responding to stimuli in completely predictable ways. If what you said were true, then it would seem that history ought to be filled with far more generations of revolution, and far fewer generations of stasis and tyranny. Just as people sometimes revolt against tyranny, they often times submit to the most horrendous levels of subjugation. Our oppression is light compared to the vast majority human history. So save your tripe about this or that being inevitable without qualifiers. There is a whole host of qualifiers, plain and simple.

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I am not saying that people

I am not saying that people are automatons or plants, but people have certain behaviors that can and do follow certain patterns, based largely on circumstances. Actually, the history of the world is filled with revolutions, uprisings, demonstrations and unfortunately war. The difference between this revolutionary movement and all others is the history upon which this one is and will be built.

The American People, until very recently, have been raised and educated that this is the Land of the Free, that Liberty and Freedom were the Foundation upon which this country was built, therein is the biggest difference between this movement and pattern of revolution in any other country in the history of the world...it is the innate view we have held about our country, about the principles upon which this country was built, that is the difference.Therefore, due to this view of our country, this revolution is happening, it will happen and there is no way to divert it, there will be a clash of ideas, and forces due to the fact that there are two very different opposing ideas traveling through this country at the very same moment in time. It is happening, it is inevitable, it is unavoidable. You are already seeing it happen before your eyes, more and more States are interposing themselves between the federal regime and the people, nullification bills are springing up everywhere, there is talk of even secession in some of the State Legislatures, none of this would have happened 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago, at least not in the scale it is now.

Even with the media blackout of Dr. Paul, the message is getting out like never before. There is a growing awareness that the government is not only corrupt, but that the election process itself has been utterly corrupted, that fraud is taking place on a massive scale in order to keep one man out of the political arena, this fact is raising so many questions in the minds of more and more of the American People, who, at one time, wouldn't have given it a second thought, but they are beginning not only to recognize that something is extremely wrong in this country, but many more are taking action and getting involved than ever before.

What do you think happened during our first revolution, do you actually think that everyone in this country was mentally ready to break hundreds of years of British tradition, to break with the Mother Country? Think about 4 years ago, what did Dr. Paul's support look like? What does his support look like today. That is exactly what happened during the first Revolution, the brush fires spread from meager beginnings to a wild fire that helped drag a country to independence. Tripe you call it...ha, read your history if you think it is tripe, look around you, compare the differences between the acceptance of the message 4 years ago to today, tell me it isn't happening right before your eyes! At this moment, there is a growing movement, it is spreading because Dr. Paul, just as some of our Revolutionary Forefathers, is speaking a truth that gave birth to a country where the ideals of Individual Liberty and Freedom were considered fundamental to good government. Do you actually think this is merely a political movement? Do you really? Do you think that the ballot box is the end of it? Do you actually think that this federal regime can and will be able to withstand a tide that is rising all around it? There is a huge difference between the idea that a political movement can change this government and a revolutionary movement that can and will remove this illegitimate, bastardized form of government and replace it with the Constitutional Republic of Federated States. It will happen through the States in conjunction with the People, as the abuses of power by this illegitimate federal government reach beyond the measure of acceptability. All of this interposition actually began under the two Baby Bush Administrations, as hundreds of cities began to essentially nullify the Patriot Act and rise against the passage of the Real ID, today it is the States battling, not just cities. The American People got a huge dose of reality when Congress, ignoring the massive out-pouring of opposition to the Bailouts, went ahead and passed it anyway, they saw that their will was not in this government, that there was a disconnect that was so massive and so blatant that their voices were being ignored while being heard. The ideal of that the People had the power to redress such grievances fell before their eyes, many began to understand the nature of this government and that it was no longer legitimate.

Of course, at the moment the nullification fight is depending, wrongfully so, on the Supreme Court, but eventually nullification will simply occur as it should, through the States enforcing the process themselves despite the Courts. The conflict not only will occur, but it the stage has already been set and conflict is already occurring now and it will continue as the clash of ideas grow more intense and more visible to the American People.

This federal government has the exact same mentality that the Crown of George III had in regards to the people and the colonies. There were those, such as John Dickinson, who could not see the revolutionary spirit that was sweeping the land, his solution was appeal after appeal to the Crown, he lacked vision because of doubt and caution. Dickinson, as did Pinckney, saw qualifiers to revolution, they desperately wanted to remain under the status quo, but with qualifiers, with appeals to the Crown. He didn't recognize the revolutionary movement and only saw it in the narrow confines of a political movement with a political solution of compromise between the oppressed colonies and the Crown. It was others, such as Adams, Jefferson and Madison, and others, that spear-headed the revolutionary movement, in the same way that Dr. Paul is doing today.

Thus, there are two distinct ideas in this country today, one that is deeply embedded with the ideals of Liberty and Freedom, the other is the Status Quo ideal of the Statist government, the two cannot co-exist without eventual and inevitable conflict. There has never been another political figure in the history of this country that has been so vocally Anti-Government as Dr. Paul, never and it is making a huge difference in the understanding of people, ideas are important and Dr. Paul's ideas are perhaps the most important ideas that have been expressed in this country since the American Revolution. The sense that something has changed in the overall conversation about the direction this country is heading is becoming increasingly evident even to those who have never paid much attention to it before. You would be shocked at how many people come up to me, in the grocery stores, on the streets, just strangers who are expressing not only their utter disgust with this government, but are speaking the language we are speaking, the revolution is happening in the hearts and minds of millions of Americans even if they are not aware of that fact yet.

This movement does not depend on the election results of November, it has gone past that stage of development, the seed has germinated, the sprouts are breaking through the hard dirt of political awareness in this country and it will continue until there is revolution, one way or another.

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

More than JUST about Ron Paul

Congressman Ron Paul is in this fight to alert the American people about the loss of their freedoms. This isn't just a fight for the Presidency, win or lose, this is about the long term fight too.

Basically, we have to realize it would be totally unfair to expect one man, if elected President to turn around this nation from the dangerous path we are now headed down.

No doubt, a Ron Paul in the White House would be a good boost to the aspirations of liberty minded people in this Revolution to get our Republica back.

But the bottom line is this: YOU are responsible for electing good leaders and participating in the process and perhaps YOU should be actively considering or supporting and nominating liberty candidates at every level of government: from the local, to the state and the federal level.

In fact, a strong argument could be made that perhaps we should be concentrating on electing governors, state leaders; including legislators and state senators who will steer their states on the path of being a counter to the runaway and growing force of tyrannical federal government.

Do you have candidates running then for office who are liberty candidates? If not, start looking for them, supporting them and launching them for office and get out the vote for them!!!

Hilarious. You know the MSM

Hilarious. You know the MSM is dead when their own man can't trust their delegate count.

Ron Paul

pandemic...love it!

Thank you for this post. It

Thank you for this post. It gives me hope. We are pushing hard, fighting hard but sometimes the silence is depressing. I knew in my heart that something was happening, that the walls were weakening and about to come crumbling down. The fact that the Romney Hawks / Hardliners are willing to go so far to try to stop us is quite revealing. I am energized as should all those fighting for liberty. We need to keep the fight going. The actions of a butterflies wings can create a hurricane on the other side of the world. We will make this happen if we keep pushing.

Important Point: They dont know.

I think the important point here is that they dont know how many delegates we have and by extension, they have no idea how many people(delegates) even support them! This means that despite going into the national convention with a huge number of bound delegates, they will have no idea if they really have enough to win on the first vote. I realize that this in some way can be used to our advantage, but I have no idea how, and if I did, this probably wouldnt be a good place to post it.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

I don't know if I can stand...

another 90ish days of suspense. Imagine how bloody this will be on election day for the general. Outstanding. At this point I just want something ridiculous to happen to our benefit. It feels like load after load of manuer gets dumped on us all the time. We never get a break. You guys are awesome for helping me keep up the good fight.

Paul's been taking it on the

Paul's been taking it on the chin for what about 30 years? We are in this for the long haul - hang in there!!

I HAVE BEEN VOTING FOR RON PAUL SINCE...

...1988. And I am not about to stop! I've been slogging along, never expecting victory except for the victory that comes within the heart because of having fought for a lost cause. After all, lost causes are the only ones WORTH fighting for because "Won" causes don't need warriors. But NOW...WOW! So many cool young people flooding into the liberty movement! God, what a thrill! I am young again! Even with two grandchildren! Thanks to y'all! The future belowngs to YOU! And look, about the negative press or the ignoring-the-truth-press: If Ron Paul walked on water, the headlines would read, "RON PAUL FAILS TO SWIM!" Ignore them. And don't EVER give up! Take it from an Old Timer! Here I am last Saturday, striking a blow:

http://goo.gl/O69We

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMAxieKFvss

If I can do it at my age, Y'ALL CAN! So KEEP ON KEEPIN' ON! And God BLESS ALL YOU YOUNG'UNS! I wish I could hug you ALL! PWN the bitch-ez!

loads & loads of manure get dumped on us & just like fertilizer.

little plants begin to sprout & grow from the manure, they grow into trees & bear fruit the seeds of which sprout new trees...they are fertilizing us in their attempts to bury us. Seems frustrating to us but it must be very frustrating for them. Bump.

I Was Thinking

about how bad it's going to be for the other side! O.K. More than enough from from me. I'll shut up now.

Fed-Up

I hear ya man. RP2012 SO WE

I hear ya man. RP2012 SO WE CAN CATCH A BREAK!!!