Is Huckabee The Anti-Christ?
How to turn a Huckabee strength into a weakness.
Below is a clip from a debate showing Huckabee saying that FedEx does a better job of tracking people than the US. It also includes info on RFID. He was speaking about illegals, but as Ron Paul, pointed out, you can't just force illegals into biometric identification, you'll have to make everyone get it, otherwise you're discriminating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1xdtnlSrCQ
So my question is, how do Evangelicals feel about using biometric IDs and/or implanting RFID chips into people? I'm a traddie Catholic, but I would bet that Evangelicals would consider that "the mark of the beast."
Apocalypse (Revelation) 13:16-18
So in essence, the Evangelical's candidate, Mike Huckabee, favors tracking people (illegals today, citizens tomorrow?) living in the US. The only way you can do that is through biometric ID or RFID chips. So, can we say Huckabee endorses the mark of the beast? How would that sit with his Evangelical base?
I have to admit I had this same thought
There's just something too perfect about him. His smile is "cunningly" friendly. In his eyes there is a sense of sincerity but.. when you look deep into them, there's this hollowness. Not to get all Twilight Zone on you
By their Fruits Ye shall Know Them
Fo-get-a-bout-it! You can't make the case of the "Anti-Christ" by spouting off things you or I, or no one else on this planet knows.
Stick to the common sense approach that our Lord taught us to use:
"By their fruits ye shall know them." He didn't say look for a man who speaks a certain way, or comes from the north or the south or wears a cowboy hat and is such and such height, and plays the ukulele or the bag pipes in his long johns.
Don't try to trick or deceive others about one man who is a preacher when another man who is a former major is advocating the same thing. All that we can go on is to talk about Governor Huckabee's record. Leave the Anti-Christ perdictions and labels out of it.
archtoplee
Just had a similar
Just had a similar discussion with my Dad at lunch today. A large majority of the evangelical, neo-con, Christian right are "dispensationalists". Sorry, but my God doesn't need human help, ok? As Dad said, "everything is moving along on schedule." To which I replied, "yes, but we all have to live in the moment, and when in the course of human events it becomes necessary..." We both had a good chuckle. Go Ron Paul, go!
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel... The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. - Patrick Henry
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel... The battle, Sir,
Not "THE" anti christ
but maybe a "type" of anti christ ie. Hitler. Under the guise of religion he came into power. These "types" are building an empire that will Give over their power to "THE" anti christ .
Duh.
Ron Paul is a committed Christian and an older gentleman. So are many of his supporters, including many members of this forum and others. I've seen people here and in other forums saying evangelicals are dumb and old people suck. Please stop this. Stop lumping people into groups and labeling them. This is getting really really old and it is this type of ignorance that is driving away a lot of older people of faith from supporting Ron Paul, and they are the people who vote all the time. If you support Ron Paul than please try and think and speak like he does.
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I'm not suggesting Evangelicals are dumb.
Quite the contrary. I don't think they are aware that Huckabee wants to track people. I think if they were aware of this, it would turn them off Huckabee.
Fact: Huckabee enjoys the support of Evangelicals
Fact: Evangelicals believe in the bible.
Fact: The bible warns us against receiving the mark of the beast.
Fact: Huckabee laments (in the youtube) that the goverment doesn't track people as well as Fed Ex and UPS
How could that tracking be improved without biometric IDs and/or RFID chips?
Doesn't tracking immigrants and or others lead the way to the mark of the beast?
If you don't think getting a mark is a concern among Evangelicals, spend a little time watch Jack van Impe.
Huckabee's bizzarre faith...church corporatism
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&...
Baptist preacher 2008 Pres. candidate Huckabee is Purpose Driven (PD)---which is seriously problematic for free Americans. It is amounts to church fascism (and I write this as a christian).
Ref. Link is to Huckabee's official web page above...Huckabee uses PD's founder, Rick Warren's quote, endorsing him. Purpose Driven is a bizzarre thing that has taken over the mainstream church--especially baptist. google it.
WSJ, Susan Sataline did an article early this year on Rick Warren's Purpose Driven people driving "resister" out of baptist churches. People are being driven out (or fleeing on own) the Purpose Driven.
Kjos Ministry has all you need to know about Purpose Driven and church statism.
I've studied PD and Rick Warren for 3 years and its dangers...long before Huckabee arrived on the national scene.
A vote for Huckabee is a vote for Rick Warren for President, by proxy.
See Huckabee's campaign web page for Rick Warren's PD endorsement.
HuckaBeast
Need I say more?
like all things, if most "christians" paid better attention...
to huckabee, people wouldnt be supporting him. ID cards and chips, definately dont fly in the conservative church circle that im in...though huck, ironically has a lot of support there...go figure.
i jokingly made the comment several months back about who would make a nice anti-christ and that huckabee, could possibly make a fine, false prophet. i dont ACTUALLY think that though.
you know, someone was asking me the other day who id pick if RP doesnt get the nod and after i explained that id really consider looking into a write in vote, i told her, besides, anytime a canidate mentions an ID card, they get crossed off the list :-)
steven
Come on people. The mark of
Come on people. The mark of the beast is given to people so they can buy or sell. And not just to Americans.
Keep in mind that America is not in biblical prophecy, no matter how much we Americans think the world revolves around us. It is also believed that the Antichrist is going to arise out of the Middle East and be somehow related to the Romans.
Ron Paul is my hero :)
Perhaps it starts with us
And if it's going to happen, it will happen incrementally. Will you be able to rent an apartment if you are subject to immigrant "tracking"? Will you be able to get a credit card, a mortgage, open a bank account without it. Given how far they've come with The Patriot Act, it doesn't seem far-fetched.
But anyway, the point of the post is NOT to argue the theology of the book of Apocalypse. The point is to find something Huckabee supports that would divide his supposed constituency.
biometrics and RFID
you can't stop us from doing biometrics on every publicly available image of you. sorry. we won't implant things in you, though. we promise.
always a way
around biometrics
fingerprint scanners have been defeated with jello and a circuit board
face recognition can be bypassed with makeup and (facial) hair
defeat voice recognition with helium or by not speaking
and the first doctor who attempts to implant anything in me is getting it in his neck.
(No subject)
The Anti-Paul
Maybe the Anti-Paul....
Actually, most Evangelicals...
...would consider the Pope to be the Antichrist!
(And, for the record, I was born and raised Catholic!)
No, the Huckster's most definitely NOT the anti-Christ, but you are right about Evangelicals not wanting to support government tracking of people.
The Huckster's a shucker--nothing more.
Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)
Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)
Valrico (Hillsborough County), Florida
I agree
I used that rather inflammatory headline to get attention.
Isn't tracking people the first step toward some sort of national ID? Huckabee opposes that, supposedly, but for unfunded federal mandate reasons, not religious.
How could Evangelicals, really any Christian, support a man who is opening the door to the mark?
because most Evangelicals...
...don't think for themselves.
Once they are taught that what the Bible says is true (the popular interpretation, that is), they trust that what they are being spoon-fed is also the truth.
And the teachers believe it's true, so it isn't as if they are intentionally deceiving people.
As a born-again Christian homeschooler, I see this constantly.
Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)
Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)
Valrico (Hillsborough County), Florida
Most Christians
listen to their preacher or teacher, and don't bother to check what they hear with the Scripture. Martin Luther (who I have not always agreed with -especially concerning his later statements about Jews) warned us not to follow false teachers "even if it were to snow miracles daily"
It's too bad more people haven't heard his advice.
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
I don't really agree with you...
This comment you made:
... you'll have to make everyone get it, otherwise you're discriminating.
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That is incorrect, it would not be discriminating. Illegal immigrants are criminals of many different races, religions, and backgrounds. The problem lies in proving how one is a citizen without it thereby forcing everyone to get it.
We have much better things to combat Huckabee than this, but if this works for you, by all means use it.
"Freedom is popular"
-Ron Paul
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
"Freedom is popular"
-Ron Paul
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
This is the point Ron Paul made in the last debate
about the national ID. In fact, I should have said immigrants, not illegals, because how can you track someone who you can't find because they're illegal. The point is, lawsuits and the ACLU would prevent, discriminating against one group. Even if they could, the argument is the same--it starts with immigrants because we have a "problem" with immigration. Then it moves on to everyone having to have biometric IDs. Then it's chips. If that's not the mark, I don't know what is.
Yes, but he is a great Bass guitar player, so he has my vote
end sarcasm here.
Go Ron Paul
Anybody?
Is it just me or is this a way to diffuse the Evangelical vote?