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Near Sweep for Ron Paul in Massachusetts

We just swept MA district 7, getting the 3 delegates and 3 alternates.

And I heard the same about districts 2, 3 and 5.

We might just sweep this whole state -- and then some.

http://www.policymic.com/...

UPDATE: regarding the sticker issue, just wanted to add that they were handing those out inside the building at district 7 as well. Barring that, the rest of the meeting ran smoothly and without controversy.

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Thanks for the video link, FreedomLovingPatriot

http://youtu.be/TWvn1ApnYVQ

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HAHAHAHAHA!

Oh Lord, that was a great laugh. Thanks give-me-liberty. Truly, that is Romney's campaign theme.

Edit:
His convention theme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EfIqPFSIV0

May the LORD bless you and keep you
May the LORD make His face shed light upon you and be gracious unto you
May the LORD lift up His face unto you and give you peace
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I participated in District 1

We took 5 out of 6 slots in the district. A good day! we outnumbered the Romney people and it was obvious. They were desperate, telling us that we needed to go with Romney or the country was doomed for socialism. Tell me, what's the difference between Roney and Obama?? Another good day for Liberty and a sign that the Bay State remembers its roots.

So Mass is a Comney State? Ha!

How many delegates does Mass. have? Wouldn't that tell the country which man is the right one. Go Ron, Go Massachusetts.

Joined the Liberty Movement in Anchorage, Alaska, 1977. Ron Paul supporter since 1983.
In Liberty from the Pacific Northwest.

Easy way to determine delegates

each Congressional District has 3 delegates. Mass has 10 Congressional Districts. 10 X 3 = 30 delegates. We have won about half the known delegates. We have to wait for our operatives in the other districts. In reality we need only one more for 50% and two more for a majority. Is there anyway to unbind the delegates at the State Convention. That should be our goals when we reach state conventions. Unbind everyone. That way we do not have to 'abstain'. Abstain only if you are in the minority.

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Actually more than that.

Actually more than that. We're losing the occasional (primary) delegate seat in Mass--we'd need 1 more full CD worth, preferably all of them, to have a majority of the delegates. We can then move to suspend the rules and unbind the delegates--letting any RP delegates freely vote for RP (assuming that it requires a majority and not a supermajority).

EDIT: Now that I consider it, a couple more. The entire delegation will be 41--9 CDs account for 27, 11 at-large, and 3 RNC. We'll then need 21 to have the majority--7 full CDs worth, probably 8 when all is said and done. But we can do it! It's possible!

Hoorah!

Massachusetts is my home state. Though I've been away for decades, I remember family members saying that Romney is a crook. (((Hahaha))) I'm so glad the state is supporting Ron Paul delegates. Go Massa! Yippee!

primary

So the green papers state that the delegates in Mass. are bound to the winner of the primary. Is this true? Are the Paul delegates forced to vote for Romney on the first ballot?

If they do indeed vote, they must vote Romney

Its in the rules, but the rules also do NOT forbid abstaining

http://massgop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/MA_Delegate_Se...

They'll abstain

I don't care what the state party rules say

they can abstain

here are the rules

nowhere does it say the cannot abstain

http://massgop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/MA_Delegate_Se...

primary

Fair enough, but it is the difference between weather we can declare Paul the winner of that state or not!

That's it

Abstain, by George! 'Gotta love it. Hooray!

Are you Allowed

to Abstain on the first round or do you have to vote for Comney??? I think I would just have to leave my motel room late and miss that first vote. lol

Joined the Liberty Movement in Anchorage, Alaska, 1977. Ron Paul supporter since 1983.
In Liberty from the Pacific Northwest.

after the first round you are no longer bound

so there is no need to abstain on the second vote, posted the rules above, no rule that says you cannot abstain, only that if you vote, it must be your bound candidate.

this is what the rule says:

"Each nominee for election as a pledged Congressional District delegate or alternate delegate shall express a commitment to a qualifying Presidential candidate and agree to be bound to vote for that candidate on the first such roll-call unless released by such candidate, as required by law. c. 53 § 70(I)"
...
"If there is a roll call vote for President at the Convention, all delegates and alternate delegates whose selection is made subject by the Plan to qualifying Presidential Primary Candidates defined by Section 4.2 of the Plan, shall vote on the first such roll call for that presidential candidate unless released by such candidate. (G.L. c.53, §70I)"

It says very, very clearly that the person is required to vote and that the vote must be for the candidate to whom the delegate is bound (in this case, Romney). It definitely doesn't say "if you choose to vote, it has to be for Romney" as you imply. There is no ambiguity here that allows for a delegate to abstain from voting. The delegates have all pledged a positive vote for Romney on the first ballot, and must deliver on that. There may be other states where the rules are different.

I have to say...

You seem to be correct. I don't know why there's so many down-votes.

We need to be optimistic yet realistic. The rules are written very plainly.

"...all delegates and alternate delegates whose selection is made subject by the Plan to qualifying Presidential Primary Candidates defined by Section 4.2 of the Plan, shall vote on the first such roll call for that presidential candidate unless released by such candidate."

However, there's still the possibility of amending the rules at the state convention if enough Ron Paul delegates can make a majority.

thanks

I'm used to the down votes.

As it turns out, there's no state convention in Massachusetts, thus no opportunity to amend any rules. Of the 41 delegates in Massachusetts, all are bound to Romney, though 16 or 17 are Paul supporters. There's no chance of the others being anything but Romney supporters, since they're going to be picked by the state GOP committee. And the 3 "superdelegates" will all be Romney people.

that's exactly what it says

if you vote it "shall" be on the first roll call for that presidential candidate", meaning you can't vote for any other candidate on the first vote.

Nowhere does it say you have to vote at all, and nowhere does it say you can't abstain.

I can see you are really getting worried for Romney, but don't Ron Paul will make an excellent President.

you're misplacing the "if"

The "if" is regarding whether or not there is a roll-call vote for the Presidential nominee. It's NOT saying "if you decide to vote during the roll call". The rule says that if they're asking for votes in a roll-call, these delegates must vote for Romney. You're not going to be able to convince a rational judge at any level that this clause means that you choose whether or not to vote but that if you choose to vote, it must be for the bound candidate.

You always have a choice.

You always have a choice. Your argument is flawed. Btw, Romney was pro-choice before he was against it.

I also heard Romney was into flip-flopping but now's he against it.

"take a leak for liberty!"

Yuk.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Clap! Clap! Cheer! Hooray! Bravo!

Whistle! Applause! Yippee! Well done! Way to go!

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Feel free to use this link just published. "Ron Paul wins MA!"

Ron Paul Wins Massachusetts Delegates in District Caucuses
By Seamus Light - 7 minutes ago

Ron Paul has won 2 of the 3 available delegate slots in Massachusetts’s 1st District in Saturday's state caucuses.

That's right, Massachusetts, a primary state, has caucuses, and Ron Paul has emerged victorious. [my emphasis]

At approximately 9:30 a.m. on this brisk Saturday morning, Republicans of all ages from Massachusetts’s 1st District (Western Mass) gathered in Westfield’s North Middle School cafeteria to select the three delegates to represent them in the national primary process.

More at:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/7650/ron-paul-wins-massach...

HEY!

I was the one who "didn't win"...at least YET... I got 91 votes and an establishment GOP guy got 93...

Did I LOSE?

Not quite! There are 13 PROVISIONAL BALLOTS to be counted.

This means, 13 people showed up and didn't show up on the list as registered republican. So they filled out a ballot and it gets mailed to Boston. If EIGHT of those THIRTEEN are valid ballots and VOTED FOR ME (Joseph Cavallaro Jr), we will have SWEPT district one. We watched people placing their envelopes to be counted separately and can say that at least FIVE OR SIX are in guaranteed to have voted for me. So just 2 OR 3 MORE and we'll get it.

STAY TUNED....I'll let you know if I pulled it of.

-Joseph Cavallaro
DISTRICT ONE COORDINATOR - MA FOR RON PAUL

MA 3rd District

Yes, my husband & I were there today for making history!!! Which we did!!!

ALL delegates for Liberty won + ALL alternates for Liberty won!!!

The establishment people were not happy & were surprised! Lots of whispering going on afterwards.

On the vote for alternates, they reran their main candidates & others withdrew & verbally gave their support to the "anointed" ones. Still wasn't enough! Think they were off by 10 votes to get 1 alternate spot. There are 4 "provisional" votes, which obviously won't come into play as it wouldn't change outcome, even if all for Mitt!

It was a beautiful thing to behold!

Government cannot grant you a thing. It can only place limits on that which was rightfully yours to begin with.
Legalize Freedom!
There is no left or right.
There is only tyranny and freedom.

Yes!

Thats what im talking about! Is it rly possible to win?

There is no State Convention in MA

FYI. These delegates are going to Tampa.

While I understand about today's delegates going to Tampa...

... I am trying to sort out the fate of the final 11, "At Large" delegates in Massachusetts. Please see my post here for why I am confused:

http://www.dailypaul.com/229515/sweeping-in-massachusetts#co...

Thank you.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand