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Official RNC delegates thread

Ok, lets make this the official thread of trying to figure out both the RNC rules and each individual states rules (and punishment for lack of following those rules) in terms of being a "bound" delegate. We need to figure out if we can indeed abstain from voting in the 1st round or if we can just cast the vote for Ron Paul. please provide a link and/or sources because everyone seems to be saying something different about what we are and are not able to do at the national convention.

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Different strategies for different states

Ron Paul would have to win CA for anyone in CA to know if they will be a delegate... could be a potential.. but not until after the election will we actually know...

A "How to fight state corruption" thread might be better....

I agree with your husband

because I do not believe that Dr. Paul would want us to use the same sort of tactics that have been used aganist us. The GOP have been using shady tactics, lately, that are within the rules (especially in N. Dakota and Alaska) and look what type of distain its been getting. I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL HERE THAT WE DON'T GET POWER DRUNK LIKE THE GOP "OLD GUARD" AND RIG THE SYSTEM. The delegates are elected to represent the people's votes at the convention, first (although not technically bound by law to). So, do what's right for once, as Dr. Paul would want you too, and vote the binding vote to represent your district. Then, if there is a 2nd vote, you would be allowed both ethically and through the rules to vote your conscience.

I do not want to see this movement that we all love, morph itself into another shady power grap. That's exactly what we are fighting against. That strategy would only give our adversaries more ammo to suppress we "crazy Paulites." We are winning the people's hearts one vote at a time by truth and poise and a power grab would only serve to do harm to our cause. This will be a long fight, well beyond the years of our respected leader, so lets do it right...

With that being said, I am not our leader, so, you should talk to your state Ron Paul Campagin leader to see what "The Paul" has decreed!

Good luck at your conventions!

This nonsense coming from

This nonsense coming from someone that has not even been here a day! Beware

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

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I'm a supporter...

I'm a supporter same as you, but I often do not get involved in blogs...which is why I'm new to this site. Been a Ronulan since he started his 2012 campaign. Donated three times to the campaign. I am definately no troll. Cheers!

You are not a troll

You are new, and I believe I'm seeing people such as yourself attacked by trolls, like rabid fleas on a puppy. I also believe your top post was meant for the poster constitutionhugger, and I don't see anything wrong with what you said. I agree with you.

I think you write well, and I for one hope to see you post more of your thoughts. I like your name too!

You Said "So, do what's right

You Said

"So, do what's right for once, as Dr. Paul would want you too, and vote the binding vote to represent your district."

No Freedom or Liberty lover should ever vote for Romney on the first ballot. This is not about one election. This is not about Rom Paul. This is much bigger than that.

THIS is a r3V0Lution !!!
THIS is about taking our country back !!!
THIS is ENDING the status quo !!!

Delegates I plead with you! Do not give your vote away! EVER

See you at The Battle Of Tampa

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

I think you meant that for the guy above.

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No Liberty lover should lay

No Liberty lover should lay down his/her principles and vote for Romney on the first ballot.

That is absolutely absurd!

We are a republic for a reason!

We are fighting for Freedom and Liberty!

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR ROMNEY

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

I get the argument for and reasoning behind abstaining...

I'm just wondering if this isn't something we should be holding on to as a last-dtich, nuclear option though.

It just seems to me like doing this would have a potential to backfire against us, and Paul.

At the very least, maybe before we consider using this option, we damn well better make sure that we have at least the Santorum delegates on board with us. What we would have to offer them (and Santorum) I'm not sure. But this seems like the risk may outweigh the reward, unless we have another group with us. And since Santorum has the most delegates out there of anyone not named Romney or Paul, this looks like the make sense place to turn for support.

If someone has a different opinion here on this, I'll gladly hear it, of course.

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my annoying husband

who is voting for Dr. Paul, really rained on my parade as I told him of the potential for delegates to abstain from the 1st vote and also the possibility of voting to unbind delegates. He says it's unethical to abstain when the voters have cast their ballots and expect it to count. Also he feels that changing the rules after the people have voted is unfair. I really didn't know what to say about that, other than that it's in the rules that delegates can abstain. He thinks if RP delegates do this it will create chaos in the future because you can no longer count on delegates to do as they're expected to and votes cast by the people are worthless. I know we're fighting against a corrupt system here, but he says the ends don't justify the means. Anyone have a good response to this or should I just tell him to "shut up and help me spray Ron Paul 2012 on this sheet."

also blessed with annoying husband

my annoyong husband said pretty much the same thing, and yeah.... i think he is probably right. love the spraypainting quip :) you go girl

Like Carol Paul, You've got a winner!

I think your husband should run for an office!

I agree with him.

I think he's lucky to have you too!

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aww thanks

He's very moral. It's one of the reasons I married him, even though it is sometimes annoying. I think the situation is more desperate than he does. At some point you have to be willing to tear things down in order to rebuild them without the deep seated corruption. How bad would things have to get before you'd shirk the system? If they censor the internet, a candidate like Ron Paul would never have a chance. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in Tampa.

RE: Willing to tear things down.

Out here in CA, they like to employ fire to fight wild fires. It doesn't always work. Many times it back fires. Nature, or God's (to my belief) way are not our way. It seems to me, we should limit what we "tear down" to ourselves, our ideas, our egos. This is much easier said than done. I think when others cross their selves and begin tearing down others, others ideas, things, egos, it's because they are not minding themselves. Ron Paul shows us this great restraint. We are so conditioned from MSM to the drama, comedy, romance even, of tearing others down, or having others tear us down/ Dr Phil....

We can not beat evil by being evil, revengeful, it never works for long. It might give us some temporary relief or smug satisfaction, but in the big picture, at least for me, it doesn't work; it backfires.

I think the evil that has taken this nation has some huge evil plans bigger and badder than 911. I think we are going to be in for more shock and awe, and we are being conditioned to think of fighting back eye for an eye, fire with fire.. but don't be fooled. Ron Paul is showing us the right path. He is no Jesus. He is a political leader who we are blessed to have, thus we should follow his lead. I do believe that you and your husband are very fortunate and GOOD people, we are very lucky to have on our team!

God Bless you Both abundantly!

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wow

Your response really resonates with me- but I hope you're wrong about the shock and awe part. Although, I do watch Alex Jones so I'm ready for anything.
Thank you for your help, I feel different about things now.
And God bless you too!

How many times

has your Congressman voted against the wishes of his constituency?

How many times have presidents and other politicians made decisions contrary to the constitution?

How many more times will it take before ALL of our freedoms are eliminated by executive order and the like?

Tell your loving husband that this is a REVOLUTION! And that we are collectively taking back control of our government for the benefit of EVERYONE.

Tell your loving husband that it is our DUTY as citizens of this great nation to expose the corruption and replace it with DIGNITY.

Tell your loving husband that the average voter is apathetic and will follow rather than lead. We are given the illusion of choice by being given meaningless choices.

And yes, tell your loving husband to "help you spray Ron Paul 2012 on this sheet"

Freedom is the answer !!
What's the question ?
-Jack Blood-

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I agree

It's our duty to fix this problem.
I think my husband used to get really fired up about government corruption and has been so frustrated that he doesn't want to hope anymore. I don't fear slamming face first into defeat. The thing that will disappoint me more is if I don't try hard enough.
An old Tracy Chapman song comes to mind "don't you know they're talking about a revolution and it sounds like a whisper." Maybe not everyone hears the whisper. But it is blasting in my ears night and day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKYWOwWAguk
I'm hoping he'll come around.

Huh?

So in his mind it's important to uphold the presumed wishes of uninformed people, those who get their news from the MSM, and are barely willing to show up and punch a ballot?

And by such reasoning, far less important is the will of the grassroots activists. Those who go to great lengths to inform themselves and others, volunteer countless hours of time, and give money till it hurts, in an effort to make the world a better place?

Luckily, there is a rule allowing delegates to follow their conscience and abstain, but he is not willing to do so? Sounds like he needs to stop treating this like a game, and start treating it like a battle for the survival of the republic.

Exactly.

That's why we are a Republic and not a Democracy. It is our duty to protect and follow the 'Law of the Land' and not the 'Mob Mentality'.

LOL....Unethical To Abstain.....

Tell your husband that it's "unethical" that both Democrats and Republicans are systematically destroying this country.

More Questions....

Is it possible to unbind delegates at a State's convention? If we have a majority of participants, can we vote to change the rules at that level?

Could it be that rules can be modified by vote at the national convention? Perhaps we can propose that ALL delegates are unbound and can vote for whomever they wish.

Freedom is the answer !!
What's the question ?
-Jack Blood-

rule 38

you should read the thread entitled "rules of the republican party". seems that rule 38 pretty much takes care of it. there is a good article linked to that thread