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Americans Elect Update: Ron Paul Needs More Votes!

Do you want to be sure that Ron Paul will be on the ballot in November? You can help draft him to head the ticket of Americans Elect (AE), which offers an online process to nominate a president and vice president. AE already has ballot status in 26 states, and its leaders plan to have it in all 50 states by the fall. They will hold their Internet primary in May, and their Internet convention in June. To help place Ron Paul on their primary ballot, you must take action by Tuesday, May 8.

More than 8,500 Paul supporters already have signed up as AE
“delegates,” which means they can vote for him in the online primary and convention. That’s twice as many supporters as counted for the second candidate in line, former Louisiana Gov. Buddy Roemer. But each candidate needs at least 10,000 delegates to qualify for the primary. Another requirement: A candidate needs at least 1,000 delegates from each of 10 states in order to show broad-based support. The ten states with the most Paul supporters signed up so far are: California, Florida, Michigan, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, and Washington. But each has fewer than 1,000 Paul delegates at present.

It shouldn’t be that difficult to push each of these states to well over 1,000 Paul delegates. People who are, or plan to be, RP delegates to Republican conventions shouldn’t sign up with Americans Elect. But they can urge family, friends, and colleagues to do so. Any U.S. registered voter--whether independent or a party member--can become an Americans Elect delegate and vote in the AE primary and convention. Here’s the way to do it:

1) Go to www.americanselect.org.

2) Select “Sign Up” and follow the steps there. You’ll have to decide on a password and provide information they need to verify that you’re a
registered voter in your state.

3) Be sure to click your support for Ron Paul in the appropriate place!

4) Write down and keep handy your password so you'll have it to vote in the primary and convention.

5) It’s a good idea to request their e-mail updates so you’ll be alerted when it’s time to vote for RP in the primary and convention. (Note: It’s a bit confusing, but they refer to each stage of their primary as a “caucus.”)

Since no candidate has the required minimum yet, it looks as though the primary won’t start until May 15. A candidate needs at least 10,000 supporters--with the required 10-state spread--by May 8 in order to qualify for the May 15 vote.

Let’s go for it! Let’s overwhelm AE by May 8th!

* * * * *

Here are some answers for those who have objections to Americans Elect and/or the independent/third-party route:

“Americans Elect leaders and advisers are too tied to the establishment.”

Well, sure. But how about the Republican Party and its deep ties to Wall Street and the Military-Industrial Complex? That hasn’t stopped Dr. Paul from speaking truth to power within the GOP. The AE folks are independent enough to want a November alternative to Tweedledum and Tweedledee. And they’re taking the risk that their process may produce a ticket they don’t entirely agree with. In fact, they seem to expect that, since they want a “balanced” ticket. This includes the possibility of one Republican and one Democrat, or one independent and either a Democrat or a Republican--but not the possibility of two people from the same political party.

“Aha, but they get to decide if the ticket is ‘balanced’ enough!”

That applies only in certain cases--for example, if one member of the ticket is an independent. If the ticket is composed of one Republican and one Democrat, it automatically will be deemed to be balanced. If Dr. Paul decides to go the AE route, he can choose a Democratic running mate who agrees with him on the key issues. Americans Elect would not run the campaign; the candidates would be responsible for running it and raising the money for it. (Americans Elect leaders see AE as a nominating process rather than a national political party. But an AE press aide told me that “in most states we have qualified as a minor party.” She said that “it was more efficient to petition for ballot access that way..."

“We should consider an independent or third-party run only at the end of the GOP convention--depending on how the convention turns out.”

According to a Federal Election Commission chart, filing deadlines for independent presidential candidates will have passed in most states by the time the GOP convention ends on Aug. 30. The FEC chart does not have complete information on filing deadlines for third-party candidates, but I believe the same is true of them. It would make no sense to launch a late campaign that’s guaranteed to lose.

“Going independent would mean turning our back on everything we’ve
accomplished in the Republican Party so far.”

Not necessarily. It would depend on how the November election turns out. Dr. Paul could give Romney a real run for his money among younger voters and conservatives--and do the same with Obama among independents and Democrats. The 2012 election may be our last chance for many years to win the profound changes in policy that our country needs. If this year’s choice is one between Obama and Romney, we can expect more wars and possibly an economic meltdown. We can also expect continued attacks on our civil liberties, and those attacks will make serious political efforts harder to mount in the future. We will miss our old Bill of Rights when it’s gone. Not to mention the rest of our Constitution...

“Dr. Paul can’t win as an independent because he would be excluded from the presidential debates.”

Actually, if he polled at least 15 percent in several major polls, he would be part of the debates. If he were not polling that high initially, there would be ways to use political jujitsu to his advantage. For example: After each debate, run paid TV ads on the theme of “Why Things Will Get Worse with Either One.” Or “Why We Need Major Course Corrections--and Why Obama and Romney Won’t Make Them.” There could also be a huge Ron Paul rally the day after each debate, where our guy would give a stump speech--commenting on the Obama-Romney answers to key questions and then giving his own.

An independent campaign would offer many chances for creative signs, advertising, and rallies--and maximum use of the Internet. I would hope for more positive, pro-Paul ads than we have seen so far this year. For example: An ad showing Paul supporters from all walks of life who explain why they support him. Ads with brief excerpts from some of the best Paul media interviews, explaining his positions on the top issues. Ads with excerpts from some of his stump speeches--providing both substance on issues and the evidence of huge crowds.

Shifting gears for an independent campaign could be liberating and energizing for everyone--including our valiant candidate.




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Why the hate for AE?

The campaign admits that Ron Paul has no chance to be president through the Republican Party.

AE gives him that chance.

I too was told that May 15 is the new extended date.

Go to AE and vote today for Dr. Paul!

Allegiance to the Republican Party is going to kill us. Read this:

"Phillippe's (The Republican National Committee's chief counsel) letter threatens that the RNC may not seat the entire Nevada delegation at the convention in Tampa if it has reason to believe that the Paul supporters have captured more delegate slots than the rules allow. "

Do you want to do battle with the Party's chief council or get Ron Paul elected as president?!

Full article here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/ron-paul-delegates_...

Terence W.

Go start your own DailyAE.com

And leave us the hell alone!

Nobody made you click on the

Nobody made you click on the topic. How about you leave the AE people alone?

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Just Stay Away from AE

The people behind it are no good. They make the rules, not the party. Just leave them be...give them no credit.

Who makes the rules?

Phillippe's letter (chief council of the Republican Party) threatens that the RNC may not seat the entire Nevada delegation at the convention in Tampa if it has reason to believe that the Paul supporters have captured more delegate slots than the rules allow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/ron-paul-delegates_...

Terence W.

Primary is extended until May 15th... need to qualify by May 8th

because there are less than 7 candidates that qualified (none qualified so far)... according to how I read the rules they'll most likely postpone it again until May 22nd if no one else qualifies next week.

I was wrong on my previous thread.. deadline to qualify was yesterday May 1st. Next deadline is May 8th to qualify with the primary to be May 15th. I suspect no one will qualify next week and the next (and final deadline will be May 15th.)

It is what it is.. I think it would be great media attention.

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

You are wrong

I called CA Secretary of State yesterday and we had a LONG talk RE: AE.

AE is NOT participating in the Primary Election.
AE IS A PARTY.
AE will hold their convention June 15TH
AE will no,minate their candidate then.
AE plans to put their candidate on the Nov Election ballot.
AE, according to SoS CA, and their writen document, I posted links below, formulated their party and convention based on the ubra liberal "Peace and Freedom Party".

Ron Paul is NOT interested and what YOU hope is Ron Paul supporters will find an interest in AE. Many here have. But they and YOU are not on the same page as the Ron Paul rEVOLution taking place in the GOP.

If you are not a AE registered party member.. you should be, so why not create a DAILY AE page? To me, you and AE are TROLLS.

Well I never stated those things... other than #2 ...

#2 - I thought they were not officially recognized as a party and from all its promotional content and bylaws they don't really act like one. They may need to be recognized as a party in most states, but if you read the bylaws and official documents, there is no platform or anything like that. They only have an issues questionnaire required by the candidates to fill out to help delegates evaluate them. I think there is an optional questionnaire for delegates. (I didn't fill one out.) To me AE is structured like a shell for ballot access.

Otherwise:
#1 - AE has its own primary caucus election 100% online. Who said they were participating in the Primary Elections (by that I assume you mean state primary elections)
#3 - AE's online primary caucus is in May although NO one is qualified yet so they don't need to hold as many primary elections. If Ron Paul qualifies by himself, he is the presumptive nominee according to how I read the rules.
#4 - I have a suspicion they will eventually nominate their candidate if no one qualifies, but I would not state it so matter-of-factly.
#5 - Again they may end up putting their candidate up there, but the only justification they would have is if NO one qualifies. Ron Paul is the only one close to qualifying at this point and if he ends up as the only one I think it would be difficult for them to find a way to disqualify him and nominate someone else.
#6 - I've read the party and convention process and it's pretty simple. I'm not sure how you got that the format is similar to the Peace and Freedom party. Hey I prefer caucuses and the Electoral College, but this process is straight forward and serves its purpose.

Are you from California? Email me at info@rp2012.org or give me a call at(415) 763-7330 and we can chat. Our SuperPAC is listed at: www.rp2012.org

Just because Ron Paul runs as a third party/independent doesn't mean people have to leave the GOP or follow him... I plan to participate in the local GOP regardless of the outcome. It's actually probably better for people not to associate themselves with Ron Paul in the GOP anyways because most of the establishment GOP already hate Ron Paul.

Lastly, I'm really disappointed to see how vocal people are against AE and the third party/indy run and how easily others follow without looking into the effort more in depth. I'm not as vocal against the GOP strategy as I probably could be. I'm still hopeful and there is a chance to win using the GOP delegate strategy and don't want to discourage people, but let's just say it's important to be realistic when there is a powerful and necessary contingency plan we can also be working on.

Were you a supporter since 2007? I'm surprised at some of those that experienced the 2007/2008 campaign and the aftermath and do not consider that it may be that we are closer to repeating the same mistakes we made in the past rather than taking this movement to the next level. There are many in 2007/2008 that are not participating for a variety of reasons, but many of the reasons are because of what happened in the past election. I suspect many of those that are most vocal are the roughly 30% that are new to the Ron Paul movement.

I'm also concerned with the language many of those in these threads have been using against AE and the other third party/Indy efforts. There seems to be a lot of ad hominem and 'appeal to emotion' responses and accusations.

In any case feel free to give me a call and after a discussion you may not find the AE or other Indy/3rd party efforts as bad as you think. Regards.

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

I saw a petition worker.

I was asked to sign but at the time I didn't know anything about the group, so the person said to check out the website. There was no pressure or hard sell. If a group wants to spend money to try to get on the ballot then I hope they succeed as it gives the voters more choice.

How many more days till they

pick the schill retard they're gonna pick and this shit is over?

Oh when I say over, I know full well some of you facist bastards will be in here trying to spin the dud they've picked in some fucked up plan to throw off the other candidate.. Ya know.. Like those braniac calls for voting for Santorum and Ginrich to try and game the process.

Get busy planning.. We'll be waiting.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Response to rp4pres

If you do any public campaigning for Ron Paul, I hope you don't use the kind of nasty language and rudeness that you used in this message. If you do, you're hurting his cause.

Mary Meehan

For those of you that are taking part in Americans Elect

(so far it doesn't look like any candidate has the required minimum of supporters from the 50 States but that could change fast. I am not promoting this per se but just participating as a delegate to try to stop them from getting a 3rd party candidate that is not Ron Paul)

Here are the dates for the Caucuses
Caucus 1 May 8th (changed to: May 15th)
The top candidate advances to the
online Convention. The rest enter round 2.

Caucus 2 May 17th (changed to: May 22nd)
The top candidate advances to the
online Convention. The rest enter round 3.

Caucus 3 May 25th (eliminated)
The top 4 candidates advance to
the online convention.

Online ConventionHelp
June 12, 2012
Choose the Americans Elect ticket in up
to three rounds of balloting. Balloting
continues until one ticket is chosen by
a majority of delegates.
Online ConventionHelp
June 12, 2012
Choose the Americans Elect ticket in up
to three rounds of balloting. Balloting
continues until one ticket is chosen by
a majority of delegates.

(edit: I happen to believe that we are going to win the GOP nomination in August but on the outside chance Ron Paul doesn't win it how are you going to feel that we had ample time to dominate by numbers easily at Americans Elect nominating Ron Paul? We shouldn't put all our eggs into one basket we might regret it later)

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Hey, the worst that can

Hey, the worst that can happen if NON-DELEGATES register is that AE turns us down and we get more publicity.

Nope...

We could lend help to an organization that has nefarious political agendas that go against Liberty.

Some may give funds that could go to Dr.Paul.
They may get bolder and grow.
There may be rules in the AE that you or nobody else has cared enough to sift through that could hurt us.

Never support any group that has suspect history concerning Liberty and fights against transparency.

There are only certain types of people that would support a group like this and it's not positive from my standpoint. Those that are promoting AE suspect too.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Response to rp4pres

You and others who fight so hard against AE are undermining the only way forward after Tampa.

Perhaps you're content to wait until 2016 for another chance. Many of us aren't.

The odds against ending the wars, profoundly changing our foreign policy, righting the economy, and restoring the Bill of Rights grow higher every month. We appear to be on the road to a police state, and it might not take much to shove us over the edge. Once over, we may not be able to climb back up the cliff.

Mary Meehan

Response to ignorant statements

Undermining? That's a well used tactic of neocons and liberals. Call the other side on what you're really trying to do first.

We have only TWO ways to Tampa.. One is the way we're going now and the other is if Dr.Paul decides to go 3rd party.. I'd be willing to bet you any amount of money he won't be going the way of the Rothschild controlled AE.

Do you really think you're fooling people? Meh, maybe a very small minority. Maybe they'll wake up to what's really going on with that group, where the money is coming from and who's running it.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

"Some" may foolishly gamble

"Some" may foolishly gamble all their money away at Las Vegas and thus deprive Ron of funds. "Some" might sell out to Romney and join the GOP establishment.

Those risks with AE are minimal at best. NOBODY here, is recommending that we give a dime to Americans Elect (which is very well funded from other sources) or "support" them in other respects. I have enough trust in our movement to not worry about that.

Again, Ron Paul HAS NOT discouraged us from signing up with AE. In fact, he has clearly stated that his supporters are free to participate in this effort. When he agrees with you (by all indications he doesn't), I'll shun them.

:)

"In fact, he has clearly stated that his supporters are free to participate in this effort."

Has he now?

Show us proof.

Edit: One other big point.. Where is that large amount of money coming from? Do you know? I bet it doesn't matter to you huh?

Somehow I think if people were pushing a group that was funded by the FED, they might wonder wouldn't they? Why not wonder about this group too?

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Where does the GOP get its

Where does the GOP get its money? AE is Satan! Happy now? The GOP is Satan too, however.

GOP can be taken over and has

before.. AE cannot be. My "Satan" is nicer than yours and it's the one with the greatest chance as stated.

BTW.. Dr.Paul gets money from us, not the GOP. We're supporting him, not them in the path he's chosen. If he wanted to go AE, that's where we'd be. He knows the fastest way to the nomination and the easier route to Liberty.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

It is not an either/or

It is not an either/or choice. BOTH options need to be available to Ron.

Well sure it is.

That's why we are going the GOP route per Dr.Paul's statements. I can't make your choice for you but I can as many have try to point out how ridiculous it is.

I mean hell.. People have laid out every issue in the book concerning AE and you guys are still pushing it. You won't listen to logic for some reason.

This reminds me so much of the average mainstream mentality I've dealt with most of my life. They are so easily swayed and fooled. They refuse to see or halt when they finally do notice the signs on the wall.

Of course there are those that know what they're doing and they do it with intent to mislead and manipulate.. We've seen enough of that over the years too.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Again...

The only factual issue I've ever seen posted here on AE is who runs it and the fact that delegates should not register. All of the other anti-AE postings are nothing but childish trolling. If you have a good reason, please, throw it out there. If not, let the AE RP supporters do their thing and you do yours.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

I am doing my thing.. I'm fighting against things that I think

are intentionally detrimental to the cause of Liberty.

Who runs it is a big issue bud. The way it's set up is a big issue bud. Maybe not to you but to many.. Read the down-votes and weep I suppose.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

DO NOT REGISTER WITH AE

There have been a few posts on the DP that it is a conflict of interest with being a delegate.

I came across this post in my search on the DP:

http://www.dailypaul.com/224199/republican-party-new-oath-di...

I don't know about Sorass's involvement with AE, but followers of the Rothschilds will get a kick out of this headline:

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/01/16/lady...

Stick with Ron Paul's plan. Have faith he will get the delegates because he IS getting the delegates.

Ron Paul's plan? Who made

Ron Paul's plan? Who made you his boss? When Ron tells us (non-delegates) not to register with AE, I won't. In the meantime, I will urge other non-delegates to do so in the interest of giving Ron a viable backup plan.

Don't get your panties in a wad

Where did I make an implication I was his boss? I wrote it was HIS plan, his strategy to acquire delegates which is clearly working. Why would he need AE as a back up plan when the plan in effect is working? I understand being a passionate follower, but take it down a notch on here and direct that passion at the voting booth.

Of course, I have to remember to do the same thing.

Peace.

Kind of sensitive there.

Kind of sensitive there. I've been called everything in the book here, including an Obama shill, so my criticism was comparatively gentle. My point was clear and unchallenged by you: Ron Paul has NOT criticized the AE effort or told us not to do it. Until he does, I see no reason not to make use of it for our own purposes.

Do you honestly expect Dr. Paul to TELL you what YOU should

decide to do? Do you know anything about Ron Paul or Liberty?

Seems to me that AE wants to tell you what to do and you do it like the master says.

When will you understand that we want no part of AE? Please stop trolling that stuff here, you and others who have tried or will try next. We are not buying it. Capeesh?

You do what he tells you to do?

Thought I pointed out AE is backed by the Rothschilds, which you did not refute. If you click on the link I provided, Lady Rothschild endorsed George Hamilton. I mean, Jon Huntsman. Why would a group backed by hedge fund managers want Ron Paul on the ballot?

But unlike legitimate third party efforts, Americans Elect is highly secretive, funded entirely by massive donations from hedge fund managers, and is run by a self-selected board of directors that has extraordinary control over who the party nominates.

http://ouroregon.org/sockeye/blog/americans-elect-truth-behi...

Go ahead and keep waiting for Ron Paul to tell you to back Americans Elect if he doesn't get the nomination. They sure as hell won't.