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Forbes: America Needs A Ron Paul-Gary Johnson Presidential Ticket

The November election is looking to be another dreary choice between the lesser of two evils. Do you want the big spending interventionist or the big spending interventionist? One probably would spend a bit more money while the other one probably would start a few more wars.

American democracy at its best!

A few years back—I’ve forgotten the particular profligate war-mongers involved—the Cato Institute’s president, Ed Crane, posited that the foundation’s policy staffers were forced into the voting booth at gunpoint. Which of the evils would we choose? Several of us responded: pull the trigger!

So it appears likely to be in November. We already know that President Barack Obama goes to bed dreaming of new spending schemes and has yet to meet a civil liberty that he is unwilling to violate.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2012/04/30/america-ne...

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Interesting article..and ya

Interesting article..and ya just gotta love this:
"Like the movie, he shows up in everyday garb, an avuncular grandfather who looks like he should be collecting Social Security while enjoying retirement near a golf course in Florida. But then he turns into a vigorous otherworldly machine committed to combating statism in all its variants, from bloated entitlements to executive surveillance to promiscuous war-making. "

:)

Now

A two tier strategy is needed immediately. Republican national delegates go forward for Paul. The rest of us urge Dr. Paul to go on a back-up third party.

There is no time to fight in our own ranks. No One But Paul!

Sign the petition at rp2012.org

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I Am Amazed By Rpers Sometimes When They Don't Get It

The author is merely maiking an argument that people have been thinking about anyway (including RPers). And that is a third party run if Paul can't get the nomination. I have argued in here more than once that Paul by recognition could vault a third party into the mainstream this election cycle if he decided to do so. I am certain that Paul is done if he doesn't get the nomination - thus speaking at colleges to young people to plant seeds.

Anyway, I looked at the comments under the article and there were none. You people complain about Paul not getting enough recognition and so you should use your facebooks accounts to leave a RESPECTFUL comment to the autor thanking him for his input.

What in the world do you people think is going to happen if Paul doesn't get the nomination and doesn't run third party? Do you really think that liberty-minded folks with no major backing are going to wrestle the party from the neo-cons? If you think so - you are delusional. Building up a third party for liberty-minded folks and politicians is faster, cheaper and a sure thing- only hurdle getting the message out to the masses and with internet replacing regular TV that should not be a big of a deterent as in the past.

If Forbes is suggesting it

and you agree, either you enjoy getting it with no lube or you're an igit who doesn't know he's about to get humped.

Dr.Paul's first year or two is going to be brutal, they'd move to unseat him one way or another during that time because of the fear of people about the changes he'd implement.

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Paul and Johnson - A Great Team

rp4pres,
I don't get your point. If you are concerned about Dr. Paul having difficulty with Congress after being elected, why are you supporting him for President? I think Ron Paul as President would do just like Gary Johnson did as Governor of New Mexico and use his Executive veto relentlylessly against Unnecessary and un-Constitutional spending by Congress. Gary Johnson vetoed such bills over 700 times as Governor, more than all the other 49 Governors combined. I am sure a President Paul would do the same. Of course the big Government types would hate it but I am confident that either Ron Paul or Gary Johnson would have the courage and persistence to withstand their opposition.
As to your comment about the source of the article, Doug Bandow was the author and he supports Ron Paul. I also think your first comment was crude and in bad taste.

Of course you don't

It's two feet past your nose.

Johnson is a neocon war drum beater.

And what does him having a tough time have to do with being a good candidate? Did you really think congress was going to slide over and say "Whatever you want your highness!" lol

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Gary Johnson is For Reduction of American Forces From Overseas

Your statement about Johnson being a war drum beater is not supported by his statements. From his website:
"Maintaining a strong national defense is the most basic of the federal government’s responsibilities. However, building schools, roads, and hospitals in other countries are not among those basic obligations. Yet that is exactly what we have been doing for much of the past 10 years.
Given trillion-dollar deficits, America simply cannot afford to be engaged in foreign policy programs that are not clearly protecting U.S. interests. There is nation-building and rebuilding to be done right here at home.
Our military should remain the most potent force for good on Earth. To do this, we should resort to military action as the last option and only as provided in the Constitution."
That is hardly beating the drum for war. And in his comparison of the candidates page:
"I have firmly pledged to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan immediately and have opposed US military operations there since the uprooting of Al Queda in the months after 9/11."
"I will submit a budget to Congress in 2013 that cuts military spending by 43% and have pledged to veto expenditures which exceed the levels necessary to eliminate the deficit."
I think Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are messengers for Liberty. I support them both. As Ron Paul says it is the message that is most important not the messenger. When asked about Gary Johnson's decision to seek the Libertarian Party's nomination, Ron replied that some good would come from it.

Ole ye of little knowledge concerning thine own Candidate.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/thedcs-jamie-weinstein-gar...

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Gary Johnson in November

Hi rp4pres,

Good research. I don't agree with sending troops to get Koney, either. But compared to Obama and Romney, Gary Johnson is much better. After the Republican convention in August, I ask you to reconsider. I don't think Ron Paul will endorse Romney. We will all need to look at our options and make wise choices. We will appreciate your support for the Libertarian Party candidates then, whether it be Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

I vote my conscious dude. I could no more vote for Gary

than I could for Bob Barr. Richard Harris, maybe but since I haven't thought of anyone else but Dr.Paul up till now..

Here's the problem I see also with the Libertarian candidates running 3rd party. They're going to drain 5% or slightly more from Dr.Paul is he gets the Repubes Nom.. Are they going to drop if he gets it?

Nobody I know has approached that topic yet.

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If Ron Paul Wins Republican Nomination

If the Republican Party nominates Ron Paul, I am confident that the Libertarian Party would endorse him. I say that as a 33-year member of the LP who supported Ron Paul when we nominated him in 1988.

Yeah but he was a Libertarian then.

Did you vote for him in your state this time around?

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Voted for Ron Paul in Florida

Yes, I sure did. Just like in 2008, this year I temporarily registered as a Republican and voted for Ron Paul their primary in Florida. His vote percentage was small at 6% but that was double the 3% he received in 2008. Then after the primary I reregisted as a Libertarian where I feel more at home. I also hosted a Ron Paul for President Meetup Group in 2008 and this year, too. Many Libertarian Party members have been doing the same thing where their state laws permit. So I am used to jumping through hoops and overcoming obstacles to fight for liberty. I hope after August if Ron Paul is not nominated by the Republicans that you will consider the Libertarian Party candidates. Thanks.

Richard Harris is a Libertarian. I like what I've seen of him.

I'll check him out further, I'll be checking out the Constitutional Party as well, if it doesn't cause an issue with republican status.. I'm in the republican party for the long haul because that's where I think we all have the best chance of taking over.

I have to say though that if he's pro-choice, I won't be voting for him either. Sorry man, we all have our principles, right?

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Big picture...

"Dr.Paul's first year or two is going to be brutal, they'd move to unseat him one way or another during that time because of the fear of people about the changes he'd implement"

I'm less worried about the difficulties Paul would face in his first few years as President than I am about assuring that he becomes President in the first place.

What do you want him to do if he doesn't get the GOP nomination? Just go home to Texas and call it quits? And you need to be thinking about that - at this point, if you don't realize that his chances for the GOP nomination are slim, you are delusional. Positive thinking is one thing, delusion is another.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Not pick Johnson.

Judge Nap for sure but not Johnson. I choose Never there.

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Please read it.
Before you post a comment.

Read before posting!

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No kind of argument

putting those two together is worth reading. I made my mind up on Johnson a long time ago.

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Absolutely NOT!

Sorry,but I'm a Canadian hockey player so I'm very supersticious. The last two POTUSes that took on the Fed in a meaningful manner were assassinated and their VPs were named Johnson (Lincoln and Kennedy).Sorry....no way!

EDIT: seriously.....NO!

Thanx,

Jason

You can't get clean in a dirty bathtub.

I don't really care about Johnson one way or the other...

...I think he'd be fine as the VP, or it could be somebody else. But the key point here is that Paul needs to continue the campaign after the GOP Convention.

Trouble is, the LP will have already chosen their nominee by then, probably Johnson. I think Johnson would step aside for Paul, but he'd probably want the VP...and it'd be kind of hard to turn him down on that.

I'd rather see a Paul-Johnson ticket than no Paul at all, wouldn't you?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

This is a good article...

I wish the Libertarian Party will somehow find a way to find a placeholder for Ron Paul this coming LP convention on Saturday, May 5th. I doubt it though. It appears getting ballot access for an independent or multiparty+independent combo run is becoming more and more likely. It'll take about 700,000-908,000 signatures, but we can do that with our volunteer base.

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
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9-11 Actors:
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Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

The libertarian party should endorse Dr. Paul

NO MATTER WHAT!

They are phonys for not endorsing the only libertarian that ever had a chance to have any influence on america at large whatsoever.

We need them now!!! They should all register republican and vote + donate to Ron Paul.

What are they waiting for?

First they chickened out of the GOP to leave it for the neocons and know they stab RP in the back in not endorsing him while running a party that has no chance for any political influence dividing and money and votes...

Now or never LP!!!

Gary Johnson? He is pro war. No one knows about him.. He is just another politician.

Judge Napolitano!

Libertarians Have Been Supporting Ron Paul

Libertarian Party members have been supporting Ron Paul. I donated the maximum to his campaign in 2008 and 2012. Carla Howell, the Executive Director of the LP, praised Ron Paul. Check out her comments on www.lp.org. The LP National Committe offered Ron Paul their nomination in 2008 but he declined. Most LP members have been supporting Ron Paul throughout this campaign with their dollars and their outreach.
I am sorry but I don't want to vote for Mitt Romney and I don't trust the Republicans to have the wisdom or courage to nominate Ron Paul.
So I want a ticket I can vote for in November. Gary Johnson is not pro-war. He wants to bring the troops home from Afghanistan immedediately. He more about him at http://www.garyjohnson2012.com and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson
All of us lovers of liberty have to help each other if we are to win. Us Libertarians have supported Ron Paul during his campaign for the Republican nomination. I encourage all the Republican liberty lovers to support the Libertarian ticket in November. Thank you.

you vote for gary johnson is a wasted vote and who did they

choose in 08? lol

The libertarian party is a joke!

G. Johnson wants to go after Kony phony:
http://www.dailypaul.com/226240/gary-johnson-s-strange-forei...


Problem is that most people in the LP follow an illusion while RP is fighting to take over the GOP. Why dont the LP follow him and take back the GOP?

They are just diluting our fight.

If they have any balls then they would say:
"We announce today that we are joining Ron Paul and his supporters to take over and reform the GOP. We hope that every LP supporter joins this fight to restore America and votes for Ron Paul in the upcoming Primarys"

Instead they gamble some money in Las Vegas. At least they are head of a party right? totaly out of reality..

(Thanks for your support but we also need you much more in the conventions and voting polls..)

After the Republican Convention

Hi Ron Paul Peace,

After the Republican Convention in August there will also be a reality. Please reconsider then. Thank you for all your help supporting Ron Paul and liberty. Best regards.

"After the Republican Convention in August...."

Yep, we need to start thinking seriously about what we're going to do after the convention. I think we should start emailing the campaign and expressing our support for a post-convention effort to take the LP nomination.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

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I don't know about the

I don't know about the legalities that could pose obstacles to this possibility, but as a hypothetical exercise, I think Johnson would be the best choice for Paul's VP.
1. I understand some people have reservations about his foreign policy, but that's really nitpicking. His overall policy is non-interventionist and is much more closely aligned with Paul than with the 2 party establishment consensus. Johnson would not detract from a general shift in foreign policy.
2. Johnson also brings additional credibility to Paul's political philosophy. There may be those who bring up those baseless accusations that Paul didn't accomplish anything in Congress and he was just a legislator, or whatever nonsense. But Johnson was a 2-term governor in a 2-to-1 Democrat state that executed the fiscal/tax policies that Paul advocates and it worked: he turned a budget deficit into a surplus, cut taxes, cut spending, had a great jobs record, and vetoed more bills than the other 49 governors combined. So in a general election campaign, they can listen to Paul and point to Johnson's governing record. And Romney can't use the "I was a successful business executive" line, because so was Johnson who started a construction firm from scratch and built it into a 1,000+ employee and multi million dollar company.
3. Johnson also softens Paul's pro-life position that would help attract more on the political left that like Paul's other progressive friendly positions on war, civil liberties, privacy, government transparency, corporate cronyism.
4. Johnson already polls between 7% and 9% nationally in a hypothetical 3way matchup with Romney and Obama. With Paul on the ticket, while there is still some overlap, they would easily break the 15% threshold to get into the debates.

If Paul does not win the Republican nomination (and I would like him to continue on the Republican ticket right thru the convention) and there is a feasible way to create a Paul / Johnson ticket as late as August, then I would hope they would make that happen. It would be a force against Obama / Romney and would expose them as different sides to the same coin.

I agree

Paul needs to continue through the GOP convention, and THEN get on the LP ticket - yes I know there are potential logistical problems, but this is a symbolic run anyway. So what if he can't get on the ballot in a State or two? And yes the LP will have already selected its nominee by the GOP convention, but something tells me that Johnson (assuming he's the nominee) will happily step aside for Paul. Imagine if Paul tried to get the nomination and Johnson refused...who the hell is going to vote for Johnson then in November? Not us! I think it's doable. Let's shake things up!

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Thanks for your informative comment

One night I had a dream.
It was summertime and people were running on the streets trying to buy food...the money was worthless - nobody wanted to sell food to them.

I think if there is some major event in August or before Ron Paul will continue to run no matter what happens in Tampa at the GOP Convention.

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1. nitpicking?? You serious?
3. soften pro life? what the hell?
4. Yeah cause some idiotic "Libertarian" Party guys are not helping the only real libertarian in his fight to take over the gop. Instead they are following a party that never had and will have any influence whatsoever.