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Save the bees (important!)

Bees are dying worldwide due to certain pesticides. A shortage of bees could endanger the planet's food supply and most plants would go extinct.

Please sign the petition encouraging companies to stop the production and sale of these pesticides until they are scientifically proven to be safe: http://www.avaaz.org/en/bayer_save_the_bees/

If you want to read more about the issue, here is an article about it from a few days ago: http://www.infowars.com/scientists-call-for-global-ban-on-be...

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It's only a matter of time

After artificially manipulating the honeybee's body, its food, and its hive for decades, in more recent years we further burdened the honeybee with toxic substances that weakened its immune system. To boot, now that we've gotten really good at engineering, we've messed up its homing instinct. The honeybee was this amazingly intricate and perfect creature that, since the beginning of time, has tirelessly pollinated fruit, vegetable, and nut crops (all but grains), providing us with nutrition at the same time as making the world a more beautiful place. But we thought we could outdo God.

Currently, at least a third of honeybees are gone. Already Maine and other states no longer have enough to pollinate their crops (blueberries for Maine); they need to truck in bees from other states. A region in Sichuan Province, in China, known for pears the way Florida is known for oranges hit the tipping point. Although the farmers stopped using the pesticides, bees simply can't live there anymore. The soil was irreparably tainted. The Chinese have resorted to large labor pools to provide a service that honeybees have provided for free. It's a long and laborious multi-stage process of climbing into the trees to collect the pollen in sacks; laying out and drying the pollen (what the bee does naturally in flight); then climbing back into the trees to pollinate the blossoms with feather wands. The economic value of honeybees is in the multiple billions.

While true that honeybees are not the only pollinators, they are by far the most important. But other pollinators are also on the decline! Bat and bumblebee populations have drastically declined. Butterflies are steadily dying off. And while humans are larger beings, so we're not dropping like flies the way insects are, don't think the use of toxic pesticides, toxic herbicides, toxic fertilizers, and GMO's havn't affected us, as well. We are well aware of the chemical and other attributes of those substances - how they work on the brain/nervous system and organs, with known links to various human health anomalies. Just for instance, see the following LIST of articles on the connection between the bee demise and autism. (In Utah, now 1 in 32 boys is afflicted.) http://appprecautionaryprinciple.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/au... Also see Mystery of the Disappearing Bees Solved (Reuters), the myriad factors operating synergistically: http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/04/09/mystery-of-...

Ron Paul is a physician. I wish he'd take a stand on this issue, i.e., the known health effects of these toxic substances that only remain in use against the will of the majority because of a toxic government.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Why Bees Have To Be Trucked In.

Honeybees must maintain a temperature of about 96 degrees 'F' in the center of their cluster. In Maine and other cold climate regions where cash crops are planted in large amounts, and usually treated with something to control the pest population, feral {wild} bees cannot pollinate all the crops because there's just not enough of them.

Fruiting plants only bloom for a short time, so a study was done years ago to compare fruit yields of trucked in pollinated crops and non trucked in crops. The trucked in pollinated crops far out performed in yield and size the non trucked in crops.
Most people just don't realize what a friend to mankind the Honeybee is.
Pollinates crops.
Produces Honey that never spoils if kept dry.
Makes Mead.
Produces beeswax that is used in most cosmetics.
And scares off unwanted visitors !


shame for the infowars link.

shame for the infowars link. The pesticides the the GMO crops produce are messing with the BEE's. GMO has never been proven safe.

a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat

From the book

"Why Do Bees Buzz" by Elizabeth Capaldi Evans and Carol A Butler:

"European honey bees were introduced by colonists into North America soon after they arrived. In New England the English immigrant William Blackstone reportedly was unsuccessful in his efforts to grow apple trees until honey bees were brought over in 1623 to provide pollination."

These ladies do not point to any one reason for colony collapse disorder (CCD). They site the strong possibility that various bee viruses (Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus is one) have been responsible for large losses especially in 2006 and 2007 where there was up to an 80% die off across this country.

This along with environmental disease the poor bees are struggling, they help us, we need to help them. Between GMO, pesticides and the bees own natural enemies their situation isn't a whole lot different from ours. Help the honey bees and we help ourselves.

"I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book." Groucho Marx

What's the problem...

...with outlawing dangerous chemicals? If these chemicals are killing off the bees, what else are they killing? Probably alot of the other pollenators. I grew up in Northwest Georgia and I remember walking around barefoot having to watch my step in any yard to avoid getting stung. I still walk around barefoot but there are no bees anymore. So to all of you below saying that all the science is B.S., keep drinking the Fluoridated water and PRETEND like the chem companies who say it is safe, is your friend?!?!?!
Wake up!!! Let's stop big chem corps from poisoning everything, they use these chemicals because they are cheap and it saves them money.
To all of you thinking you are going to support Dr. Paul so you can start pouring your motor oil down the drain again, THINK AGAIN!!!
Most of us here believe in protecting the environment for future generations and we want FREEDOM to be able to hold those accountable for destroying our planet in the name of profit.
There is a balance, and we have broken it. Only with the TRUTH and useing technology wisely will we be able to sustain the balance with Nature and Human development in the future.
I say DRILL, but do it safely with no slacking on safety precautions for the sake of profit.
I also say no chemicals in our AIR, WATER, and FOOD that aren't 100% safe for everything. Period.
Thank for your your support but welcome to the new generations of intelligent thinkers we are going to change everything whether you understand it or not.

Ron Paul 2012

Let it be written, that in 2012 we changed the World!!!

I don't think that was the intent

of "the posters below". Nobody here is a friend of big Ag, but that doesn't mean we want to cast our lot with the EPA,FDA or Dept of the Interior...right? Out of the pot, into the fire...right?

I don't claim to know it all, but I'm going to say that alot of this could be settled in the market place with good contract laws and civil courts.

a little less hype and shrill accusations would go a long way to help also.


George Carlin makes it very clear about the environment:

Is Carlin your idol?

He has some valid points about some things BUT... he spouts alot of self destructive crap alot the time. Please stop taking everything he says like it's prophecy from some super human intelligence.
He is only Human.

Let it be written, that in 2012 we changed the World!!!

I don't know why

but some people worship him like a god. Seriously, I was having a religious conversation with a liberal a few years back and she kept bringing up "what George Carlin said". A lot of people here are the same way. It's kinda cultist and weird. Carlin would be alright with a lot of his comments if he could've just completed a single sentence without profanity, which just makes him sound small minded.

Someone posted that earlier

My response: http://www.dailypaul.com/230013/save-the-bees-important?page...

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

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Guys, it's a BS scare when science creates panic about the bees.

If all the honeybees died tomorrow it would barely make a dent in food production. Honeybees are not even native to North America. They were brought here. And they weren't even brought here for pollination purposes, but only for honey production.

Thousands of other things pollinate - bumblebees, carpenter bees, ants, aphids, wasps, hornets, flies, birds, beetles, caterpillars, spiders, etc... - and WIND - the king daddy of all pollinators. Pollen sticks to anything that walks on a plant - which is thousands of different bugs and animals.

The country was loaded with successful vegetation, long before honeybees ever arrived.

Watch a plant in your garden for a day, instead of listening to someone that probably hasn't spent a single day in his life in a garden.

I spend quite a bit of time in my garden...

... and the #1 pollinator in my garden is: Honey Bees.

Whether it's peppers, or cantaloupes, or blackberries, squash... the bees are all over it. Can't say that I've witnessed similar enthusiasm for corn, beans, blueberries, strawberries, potatoes, onions, celery, parsley, dill or the other dozen crops I plant, but I wouldn't be surprised. Tomatoes probably don't need the bees as badly as some of the other crops, but they still get the bees' attention. They're all over the broccoli once it bolts. I do see some wasps, and some bumblebees, and some small flies. But the honeybees outdo all of them combined.

As for the wind... Methinks the wind is blowing harder in your neighborhood if you think extinction of honeybees is a trivial event.

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In my own garden

I very rarely see anything other than honeybees pollinating the plants

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

Plant a Black Knight

butterfly bush.

Big Mike, You're Only Partially Right !

I was a commercial beekeeper for over 20 years on the west coast.
It's so dry out here in some places there is no pollen or nectar for any kind of pollinator to flourish. The west was desert, before widespread irrigation was done successfully.
That's why Almond growers in California, who export almonds worldwide, pay about $100 per colony, to pollinate thousands of acres of Almond trees in the early spring.
As far as Honeybees being imported, I think that's a myth, because excavations have shown that long before white people came to the Americas, the Aztecs and Mayan indians were trading Honey to and from their settlements in central America.
You're lucky to live in a wet climate, but the western USA is very dry and hot in summer most years.
Ask Mr. Carrot top how many billions of dollars are produced by trucked in Honeybee pollinators, and how many billions of pounds of Honey is produced, every year, nation wide,,,worldwide ?


Good points

True, but native pollinators are in deeper decline due to habitat loss and other factors.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Anonymous

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Maybe some places Hort, but not here where I'm at.

Bumblebees and carpenter bees out number honeybees by - (at a daily garden walk, observational, recollective, unbiased guess) - 10 to 1.

Very few honeybees at all - mostly other bees and a handful of other insects, nymphs, and arachnids.

Ever walk outside and see the hood of your car covered with yellow-green dust so thick you can't even tell what color the paint is?

I do for weeks during the spring here. We'll never run out of wind.

Oh, ok. Well I just heard

Oh, ok. Well I just heard that over here :) Probably does not apply everywhere. I believe you are right :)

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Anonymous

You are right.

The wonder of honey bees is that they provide a big jump in production for little cost. If there were no honey bees, it would take more land and effort to feed the same number of people, but it could still be done.

As a beekeeper I can

assure you that bees are not going extinct. There are problems, and in some areas there are fewer bees, but in other areas there are more bees than ever.

My area has many more beekeepers than ever before, so many, in fact, that we now have a local beekeepers association. Right in town, people are keeping hives in their backyards and harvesting many gallons of honey every fall. We had to band together because someone who is ignorant about bees petitioned the city counsel to ban beehives in town. The counsel decided to not try to regulate insects.

Three years ago one man I know had no hives, and now he has 29. He is always on the lookout for farmers who need their plants pollinated, or people who have acres of clover. His plan is to increase to 100 hives.

Ten years ago a package of bees (a queen and 3,000 workers) cost $35. They are now $85 here. Some of that is inflation, some of it is the result of higher demand because of the problems with colony collapse disorder which is when a hive suddenly forgets where home is, and dies. Colony collapse is not when the hive dies off, leaving thousands of bee bodies in the bottom of the hive (that is disease or starvation), but when they suddenly disappear.

A new package of bees can turn into 60,000 bees by the end of the summer, so they multiply fast, even faster than rabbits. With that rapid rate, it's easy to turn one hive into many in no time. When a hive starts to outgrow its house, the beekeeper splits the hive, giving the split-off bees a new queen.

In my area I have not heard of much of a problem with colony collapse disorder. Most of that particular problem is with stressed bees that are driven around the country on big flatbeds to pollinate commercial orchards that use sprays which may affect the bees badly.

I started keeping chickens this year

next year I want to start a few hives, it's not that hard and requires minimal investment.

Haha, you're starting to

Haha, you're starting to sound like Jenna Woginrigh in her books "Made From Scratch" and "Barnheart". She starts off like you...then she adds sheep, a goat, angora rabbits - all on rented property! Easy, fun reads.

lesson #1

political signs make great covers for top bar hives.
@ 1:32

Hey Romney, I guess you have done something useful after all...thanks

Of course,

with a Ron Paul sign the bees could learn all about "sound honey". Only Golden honey shall be legal tender. In the last century, they have had to endure the "dilution of the honey supply" when their winter stores of honeycomb were replaced with sugar water. This is the origin of the "boom and bust" cycle in the hive economy.

wow...talk about an understatement ))

that's not a starter link, that's an online masters degree in apiculture...

very much appreciated, duly bookmarked and I will look over all of it!