I am very disappointed with Occupy

I work downtown so I see them all the time. I have tried to engage them in conversation a few times, and other times, they have accosted me specifically because I was wearing one of my many pieces of Ron Paul flair. In my experience, 10% are generally supportive of Ron Paul, about half are exclusively anti-establishment (some with nothing in particular that they're "pro" and others who are hardened socialists, to whom I often have to point out that a centrally-planned economy and money supply is, in fact, status quo, and they should be cheering and not protesting the Fed). Otherwise, a lot of them have never truly heard of Ron Paul aside from the fact that he's a Republican and they, therefore, hate him.
I think, though, it's important for us to remember that a lot of the OWS crowd has at least taken off the blinders that most people refuse to live without, and for that they deserve some credit. Then it becomes about making sure that they are presented with the case for liberty and sound money economics at least once... We were never really taught in school so, and frankly I don't even remember how I started to learn.

Occupy is engineered by the insiders.

"May Day" under historical context correlates to Marxism/Communism.

Anyone who supports Ron Paul and the philosophy of Individualism that he promotes, should never protest at a May Day rally for you are then promoting Collectivism - whether you realize it or not.

If your goal is to educate and convert them, well that's entirely different.

I happened to be downtown when Occupy Portland was marching about a month ago and as I was walking to the train to come home they crossed in front of me causing me to wait like a parade going by. At first I thought maybe I'd see some anti-Fed anti-Wall St bailout stuff and walk with them for awhile to a train station. Then I saw a that a couple people were holding the Soviet flag, and a girl walked by with a "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" sign. I won't judge all of Occupy from this, I'm sure there are RP supporters, but that's what I saw that day so I didn't join them.

Reality check! Why the heck would you be disappointed? Who do you think started the Occupy protests? What did you think the Occupy protests were all about? These vast majority of the humanist, hedonistic punks that protest at OWS make Obama look like a right-wing fascist. You can't reason with Neo-Jacobins, you DEFEAT them.

...hijacked just like the Tea Party was, but I don't know much about it.

with State socialism, which is the police/military/prison complex.
If they want voluntary socialist cooperatives, no problem. The Liberty movement is trying to get government regulations off people's backs so they can choose their own form of independent economic resilience.

If they insist on forcing others into their imagined economic system, they are no better than the government police and are NOT the 99%. Only peaceful means will ever work for the 99% so we can all cooperate harmoniously while still choosing diverse solutions.

In 2007, we were protesting outside a local federal reserve bank and handing out data about the monetary debt and the value of the dollar. People would pass me by without even giving it a second thought and others even went as far as calling me and our group "delusional." For about a year now, subjects on the FED are now talk of even mainstream media. You must plant the seed and allow it grow. Take any opportunity which arises to spread the message, even if you get shot down. You are fighting for your future and the future of your country.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/111222.html

That's why they enjoy significant Wall Street backing!

How many phone calls were not made and new voters for Paul gained, by participation in or wasting time watching this distraction!

Communism has always been the nursed baby of Rockefeller and Wall street.

Get over the hope and worship of these protestors! They are right on Que! Anything to stop Ron Paul's nomination.

Gain the nomination and he wins in a landslide... then the candy store goes away and Wall-street is held to answer... a fate they fear like terror!

“Communism looks good on paper, like fur-farming or raising frogs, but doesn't exactly work out well in reality” (sic)

Occupy seemed like a socialist movement from the very beginning. It seemed like a class warfare machine right out of the chute. I like how many Ron Paul types got in their and spread some good word about liberty and ending the FED, but I never really though Occupy would amount to anything more than pissed off socialists who don't really understand anything.

that they didn't like about Ron Paul? Because approaching them with bailouts and audit the fed aint gonna work.

I work near where they had one of the protests yesterday. There was a large crowd of OWS people and a large cavalcade of police too. It just seemed like a recipe for things to go bad should either side do something they shouldn't. Plus if we have a currency crisis, the anger will be greatly amplified. Very scary.

I think a lot of people in OWS understand that *something* is wrong but I think there's probably a difference in opinion as to what. And in a movement with that many people, I would imagine that some don't even know what they think is wrong. They just know they are unhappy w/ the current system (and rightfully so, IMO). I don't like when people criticize the movement as being "in need of a shower" and "too lazy to get a job" (e.g. Newt). Our corporatist economy has been so badly mangled that there aren't that many jobs to go around. Not only that but many don't pay well. If we have a currency collapse then even the "good paying jobs" of right now won't pay well.

I think we need to show these people empathy and try to at least explain our thoughts on economics and free markets and the role of the Fed and big government in our current situation. Not all of them will agree but it's certainly worth a shot. And maybe we can learn some things from them as well. I don't want to be so presumptuous as to think that I know all the answers.

I think in general we need to try our best to reason with people who care. That means both OWS as well as the so-called "liberals". I don't like the whole "liberal" vs "conservative" dichotomy at all, to be honest. I just think we need to keep a dialogue going with people who genuinely care about society, regardless of what their thoughts about what the "solutions" are. If we're "right", then our viewpoint will eventually "win". Dr. Paul spent decades doing this and I'm ashamed to say that I've only learned about him roughly a year and a half ago (though now I'm a staunch supporter).

You should point out to them, "Like socialism? We're in it."

how did you not already know this? you must have not been paying much attention to the group as a whole, it was always a co-opt of the 'occupy the FED' movement(pretty sure this would be in INFOWARS archives), they saw the event coming and flooded new york with people and took the momentum away from otFED, all the people joined oWS because they thought it was the same thing. The SAME way the tea party was infiltrated by neocons, ows was a creation of obombots to divert and replace otFED

What is the movement called? Occupy Wall Street. Why was it called that? Because of all the corruption that happened there, their influence on politics, how it lead to the financial collapse, and how no one was prosecuted.

The initial beginning of the movement had all to do with that.

Now you have the OWS movement in which people have decided that other issues that have been pressing their buttons should be thrown on board as well. Gay rights, abortion rights, free healthcare, free education, taxing the rich, ending the war on drugs, etc. - from a movement that initially attacked Wall Street, it has now become the progressive platform.

And what's worst of all, people who agree with them on what the movement was founded upon have now been ostracized. Completely idiotic.

This is why the movement will inevitably fail. Like the tea party, they have been co-opted by the far left and in adopting all its beliefs have turned this, like the tea party, into *ANOTHER* polarizing left vs. right issue.

I mean, if it was left to the very basics, it would be inclusive of the WHOLE country. Who in the world is FOR corruption? No one (other than 0.000000001%). You could have millions from all races, creeds, beliefs and ideology united and institute REAL CHANGE.

That won't happen now. And what a shame that is.