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you guys are the smartest people I know, please help me with this question

Thank you for taking the time

I have a family member who is facing some serious charges, possibly looking to spend up to 40 yrs in Jail. My question is should we get a attorney or a public defender? should he plea?

Attorneys are charging $25,000 to represent him, but I am not sure how much more it will be after that. The family doesn't have that kind of money, but might be able to borrow from different sources. What do you suggest? what would you guys do?

do you guys know a good attorney in CA? or someone who will be willing to help our family at a lower cost. Where is the best place to find good resources?

Thanks in advance for your wisdom :)

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I would

get a well known attorney. They walk in, they shake hands with everyone because they have been there a long time, people know their name and are respected, they've been out to dinner with everyone. They and their clients are handled differently...treated like insiders rather than outsiders. You can roll the dice and sometimes you hit, a lot of the time you don't. If my life was on the line, I go with the better odds. Well known attorneys are powerful, don't underestimate it.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

The first question would be?

Truly guilty or not guilty? This would be the basis for your agenda forward. Guilty and rich= Attorney = same sentence after jury trial, Guilty and poor = Plea. Innocent and rich = Attorney = same sentence after jury trial, Innocent and poor = plea, because after the jury trial it will be the same outcome. Sad but true, the fucking system does not work! Then he needs to spend his time in prison writing a book about how he was innocent, for future generations that have accepted reality.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Public defenders are far worse than useless

Most of them never ever ever win a single case in 40 years of practicing law. I preach at the local jail and the cops laugh about how bad the public defenders are. They say it is better to defend yourself than have one of those guys defend you. They told me its better to show up and say you are defending your self say you are not guilty and then say nothing the rest of the entire trial than have a public defender.

If you are going for a defense attorney the sooner you get one the better. Heres hopping your family member was smart enough to say nothing at all to the cops.

I was on a jury and the public defender

was outstanding. They made the 2 prosecutors look like idiots (they were). The defendant was found innocent of all charges.


glad there are exceptions to the rules

gives me some hope. But the fact is most people have to go with a public defender and 98% of people are found guilty.

MANY, MANY years ago I was on

MANY, MANY years ago I was on trial for felony possession of less than one "joint". I was gonna get 3 years. I pushed it to jury trial. I had a public defender. He was like Clarence Darrow or something. He shook the baggie of evidence in front of the jury which almost made it disappear there was so little (they said they had used some for "testing") then he accidentally flung it into the jury box, where they had to actually touch it and pass it forward. I prayed a lot, so maybe it was God, but I will never forget how good that guy was...
Oh yeah..was found not guilty. The trial went on ALL day from (9:00-5pm). I am serious.

For Petes sake...

Just give us the spill. What are the charges?

Yeah, seriously.

No offense to the OP... but if your family member actually committed some heinous crime like rape, murder, etc... then I hope he just pleads guilty for no reduced sentence just to save the taxpayers money.

Having said that, if he committed a "victimless crime" (total oxymoron btw, I hate that the phrase even has to exist) ... then try contacting the Institute for Justice (IJ)... their mission is to protect freedom by representing people getting f*cked over by the government for a variety of reasons that need legal help.

If something in between, like manslaughter charge cause a bar fight ended badly or something... I'd always recommend hiring your own lawyer if you're not gonna plea. Public attys suck.

The TRUTH will set you free

Depending on what the arrest is.. if you're seeking a trial or not... The fact there is caring family can be an asset.

If the case is one that "it's a shame" (like accidental manslaughter) the DA may be able to help advise you whee to get help. If it's a case of the state/county VS "you", then the DA won't help, and an attorney who works for the state will help the state (most help the state).. IMO having family helps best as you can write letters to the ed., appeal to the public far and wide, bumper stickers.. etc. "Free Crazy Uncle" (seek court cost help)

If prison time is unavoidable, cost or whatever, it's probably best to start making plea bargains for certain prison/s, work, visiting rights.. etc.

I'm sorry these things happen and it happened in your family. Ohhh reminds me.. a Church can sometimes help with council/ if you belong to one.

God Bless and GOOD LUCK!

I would suggest you

search for attorneys who are young and want to make a name for themselves. Old attorneys with lots o cash are like football players after they get huge money agreements, the just quit playing hard.

Have You tried contacting the state Bar Association?

They give referrals here in Pa. Don't know about California. Also, 25K is sometimes better spent on bribes then lawyers. The DA may take a bribe - part of which may go to the victim. The payment to the DA needs to go through through a lawyer's office.You need to find a lawyer that knows the DA. Also, go see a bankruptcy attorney and make sure you understand the bankruptcy laws very well. Any unsecured loan can be eliminated if the person qualifies for a Chapter 7. Stick the banks with the bill.
I have up-close and personal experience with this.

i would get an attorney if you can afford it.

i know a few lawyers who do PD work for the insurance. they tell me that they don't do anywhere close to the work they would do if it was a paying customer.(right or wrong it's just a reality) one recently won a big attempted murder case though. depending on what your trying to do (plea or trial) would make a difference to me. in my town there are a few that are great at getting good pleas and some are great litigators. they usually aren't both. know what i mean? the good trial lawyers are bulldogs and not that good at playing the plea game. try to nail him or her down on the price "the whole shootin' match" so to speak, instead of being bled by the hour. most will make arrangements or take trade. good luck.

Move to Brazil! They don't

Move to Brazil! They don't have extradition!!!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

what an encouraging first bump

Heres another.

its not me

the family member is in custody in CA

Can they get out on Bail?

Can they get out on Bail?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

bail is set really high

over one million

Here's what I've done when

Here's what I've done when I've gotten into legal jam's. Interview as many atty's as you can and keep looking for the one that will advocate for your cause, and negotiate a fee structure that works. One time I got an atty to represent me for $100 a month because he hated the other atty that screwed me. Recently a public defender decided to do his job because he hated the prosecuting attorney and he also wants his buddy, another attorney who is politically connected, to look better than what he really is. (long story) Attorneys can be great when they work and hell when they only want your money. I've been luckier than others but I've gotten screwed plenty of times too. But I've always taken the time to focus on interviewing Mr. Legal man, not the other way around. Good luck, and think about Brazil!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

P.S. Try for bail reduction

P.S. Try for bail reduction to begin with.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown