Please Be Civil - Many Santorum Supporters Hate Romney As Much As Obama!
Submitted by BetweenUnemployment on Thu, 05/03/2012 - 20:17I've had many, many back-channel conversations with Santorum folks. The number one complaint--by far--is NOT about Ron Paul, but about us...his supporters.
As soon as they say who they support, they get attacked. We know exactly what this is like ("Bot, Cult, Racist, Anti-Semite"), etc. I see it time and time again: Ron Paul supporters JUMP on Santorum, Gingrich, other supporters spouting off facts, posting videos, etc.
CHILL OUT!
Once I get into a conversation about how we both would hate to see another 4 years of Obama, I get into how Romney is so liberal...they ALWAYS agree. I say one or two things about Paul...say I don't agree with him 100%, but I'd rather get 90% than 0%. I say how we can't convince Paul supporters to back anyone else, since they support the message, not the man. They tend to agree.
After a few days, I send them direct messages about this or that, Paul's updated delegate counts, etc.
JUST TAKE IT SLOW. DON'T INVITE PEOPLE TO DEBATE. WE ARE TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD. WE NEED TO BRING THEM INTO THE FOLD ANY WAY THAT WE CAN. THE BIGGEST WAY CONTINUES TO BE THE MUTUAL DISTRUST OF OBAMA AND ROMNEY.
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The Santorum supporters
I ran into were bold and very sure Santorum was all it to save this country from evil. Now they're sniffling cry babies, I don't buy it!
I ran into a person that voted for Santorum at our Caucus in Minnesota. He is a good friend and customer of mine, but I had to tell it like it is. I told him he voted for the wrong person to begin with and now Ron Paul is the only Christian left. I told him how the media has a blackout on Paul and they would never give a straight answer.
We need to get them to do a little research on Paul, but most won't do it because their afraid they will be proven wrong. I know this because as some one that supported republicans no matter what, I found the liberty pill was very hard to swallow at first. It can reflect harshly on all your core believes being wrong.
I think many of the Santorum people have already sold out their Christian faith to a non-believer. The bible even says don't bind your selves in an uneven yolk.
At my Minnesota Caucus the Chairman even said they planned on beating Paul at the State Convention like in 2008. He said he felt pretty proud or it, but he had to admit it might not have been fair. They presented their slate for nomination for state and CD delegates and tried to close the process before any one could speak.
I agree be civil but don't be fooled they most likely made up their mind if not openly switching to Paul. I don't expect years of brainwashing from the media to just disappear. If you switch to Paul you have to admit all you heard from the media is a lye.
Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed
Santorum. supporters are not
Santorum. supporters are not coming here.
Also, according to the only state to be polled since Santorum dropped out, Romney picked up HALF of Santorum's votes. Ron Paul just got 10%.
Treat them like human beings with dignity
You will not get far if you refer to Santorum in caricature terms or treat Santorum supporters as one-dimensional beings. And trying to sound like a Bible-thumper yourself doesn't work either. Being straightforward is better.
Thanks for posting this RPers Have to Be Civil To Win Minds
at the conventions on the street - everywhere. I know RPers are intelligent, good people and Paul himself is - so be like Ron Paul.
Yah santorum people dont fall
Yah santorum people dont fall for the same old same old politics i watched santorum through the debates and he stood his ground on what he thought unlike gingrich and romney who just said what people wanted to hear. Him and ron paul have alot in common in that way
Trust.
The fact that Ron Paul can be trusted is a big point. We should, at the very least, know where a politician stands.
i absolutely agree! the
i absolutely agree! the biggest liability are the supporters, especially you people!
Never forget:
- Barry Goldwater
Screw That! Be firm, stand your ground and stare them down!
We have the upper hand and are coming to Tampa armed with enough delegates so to not back down.
Don't be civil. Be firm!
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I think that one can be appropriately firm...
... without being uncivil (let alone going on the rude, expletive-filled rants one too often sees on this forum).
A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand
and you will lose the best opportunity
in over 60 years to turn back the Tyranny. Our numbers are not great enough, yet, to take the establishment head on. Thus the Dr Paul strategy of collecting delegates, not beauty contests. You truly will attract more bees with honey, than salt.
I completely agree. We need
I completely agree. We need to work with Santorum supporters if that is what it takes. Be civil and try to find common ground.
Judge Napolitano is a great
Judge Napolitano is a great example. Watch some reruns of Freedom Watch with liberal or neocon guests. The Judge is always polite and courteous while presenting arguments for his position that are accurate and persuasive.
First, find common ground. Build agreement, then suggest one of your positions that are close to the common ground.
Whenever I talk with Santorum or Gingrich supporters about Paul's foreign policy, I point out that bringing the troops home - at the very worst - simply means adopting a defensive strategy for 4 years while we get our finances in order. Then if some necessity requires it, we can redeploy prudently overseas in a manner that does not break the budget. Every Santorum supporter I've spoken to has agreed with that.
When they talk about terrorism, I say that is a great point, and I think having our troops home and our attention focused domestically will make it much harder for any terrorists to slip through the cracks. I've converted a few folks with that argument as well.
I also hear that Ron Paul is kooky and they just have a hard time getting behind his personality. I chuckle at that and agree that he might appear that way on occasion. But its a small detriment compared to the real goal of getting the budget balanced and a committed veto in the White House against ridiculous over-spending. That's usually the clincher.
If they get to the "kooky" argument I know I've got them, because its a minor point and easily alleviated once they realize the good Dr. will be a strong advocate for their conservative principles - one that has been missing in the White House for far too long.
Its easy when you respect the person you are speaking with and take the time to build on common ground, as the author of this post points out.
What would Ron Paul do?
What would Ron Paul do?
Please ask this to yourself.
I know of no rude RP people,
I know of no rude RP people, it is caused by the brainwashing by the blowhard media- Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, Savage Ingrahm etc.
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Brother, I disagree.
Many a rude, contemptuous people can be found right here on DP. IMHO, as well as many from my generation and before, understand the necessity of respecting our peers.
Like many of our young, exuberant Dr Paul supporters, we were young once as well. We matured in a society where we had to look someone in the eye or take the time of thought to compose a letter. We did not communicate in incomplete words or symbols. We did not text, Twitter or communicate only through electronic devices.
Just realize for a moment how different our generations communicate. We need all generations and ideologies to defeat the Tyranny that has become our Federal government. Like the author of this article says, chill out! Getting in someone's face and trying to force your beliefs onto them or proclaiming that some evil leader from the past is the cause for all of this mess, ain't going to get the job done.
Respect someone else's opinion, just as Dr Paul would. Practise his humble, yet determined approach. This is truly as historical time. Imagine a 50+ constitutional conservative embracing a 20 something OWS for the same cause, LIBERTY to pursue our own happiness. Its going to take all of us, far right and far left, united on one cause, to recover and restore the freedoms our ancestors took for granted.
When conversing with former Santorum & Gingrich supporters be respectful of their views a invite them to our new GOP party. Talk about common issues first. While talking with them refer to our champion as Dr Paul. Its a generational thing. We grew up with the utmost respect for someone who was smart enough to earn a medical degree.
I have; but, many aren't rude, just overly aggressive.
Many Santorum supporters are from the Silver Set. They're a bit older. They don't want to be preached to by 20-somethings. They do, however, appreciate enthusiasm. This is simplifying and stereotyping, but it's been my experience to listen A LOT before even messaging them. Agree with what they say and show them how Ron Paul agrees with them too.
Don't try and win them over with our delegate strategy, etc. That comes in time.
Just show them that there's a candidate in the race who shares most of their concerns.
+ Point out Romney's faults
= PAUL WIN!
I agree, and I think that what is being said...
... is true not only for Santorum or Gingrich supporters, but for supporters of Romney, Obama, etc. Think about it for a moment: Wouldn't you be more likely to see someone's point, if that person was nice to you? We are the ambassadors for the Liberty Movement, and our conduct reflects back on the Movement, and on Dr. Paul himself.
A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand
Amen
Like when the guy in Alaska endorsed Romney - The video was funny - but that was not very nice.
If Dr. Paul can put up with 500+ idiots in one room and be civil then we should be able to do the same.
I agree with being nice, but...
the only problem with simply being nice and non-confrontational is that these people need something to shock them and wake them up from their stupor. It's finding the right balance of being informative and assertive without offending or alienating that is incredibly difficult. In the small picture (this election) time is very much against us, so we feel pressure to "convert" people as quickly as we can to see results, but obviously the liberty message in the big picture is just beginning, so in that sense, there is no rush. Take that any way you like.
Coalitions
Coalition building is what wins elections. Good post.
Yes
I know many Santorum supporters that will not vote Romney.
Feel ya on that one
There is no reason to be belligerent. We don't see anything like that from Paul. Rather we see a sharp-witted man who is definitely knowledgeable, and tells the truth without hesitation. But his demeanor is entirely unassailable. Even in the debates when he was thrashing Gingrich and Santorum, no one could accuse him of being belligerent. Gingrich was even laughing. Paul's approach makes it easier for people to sympathize with his position. For too many Paul supporters, we make enemies in our arguments, creating barriers to coalition-building. Revamp your methods, guys.
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