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RNC Cheats Ron Paul And "the Unit Rule" Unbinds All Delegates!



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I believe you need a 2/3 vote

I believe you need a 2/3 vote to suspend the rules. And you have to say what rule you want to suspend. So that wouldn't work for either candidate (neither will have 2/3 of the delegates). The only reason that roll call vote works in the past is by convention time there is only 1 person nominated for election and therefore the 2/3 vote doesn't matter because there is no one else who is "qualified" to be voted for.

Just make sure Romney doesn't get to 1144. That is how we end up winning. Stop worrying about the rules, get the delegates!

The Ron Paul campaign will worry about the rules and don't need to tell us what the strategy is (only the national delegates). Get the delegates FIRST and the campaign will take care of the rules and how to win!! :)

"If you put a gun to my head and said vote Romney/Gingrich/Santorum...I would say pull the trigger!"

no

You only need a 2/3rds vote to suspend the rules AFTER they have been adopted by the assembly. If you want to motion to amend the rules BEFORE that, you only need a majority.

The key is to move fast with the motion before they try to push through their adoption vote.

Rule 32 Suspension of Rules A

Rule 32 Suspension of Rules

A motion to suspend the rules shall always be
in order, but only when made by authority of a majority
of the delegates from any state and seconded by a
majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more
other states severally.
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Seems we can do that.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Ok. Here is my best shot.

Ok. Here is my best shot. Not all "motions" are legal. You can't just make a motion to allow illegal immigrants the right to vote at the convention...So rule 32 is simply saying how to properly make the motion to suspend rules. If you follow what it says, then you are allowed to make that motion, that you legally did a correct motion by the rules.

THEN you have to VOTE on that motion. And I believe you need a 2/3 vote to suspend any rules.

Also, you can't just suspend ALL rules, the motion has to be to suspend a certain rule...in other words if the "motion to suspend rules" passes it doesn't mean the convention is now in anarchy with no rules. You designate which rule you want to suspend in the motion, make sure the motion is legal (see Rule 32) and then vote to see if the motion passes or fails. I hope that helps!

"If you put a gun to my head and said vote Romney/Gingrich/Santorum...I would say pull the trigger!"

couldn't the romney campaign

couldn't the romney campaign do the same thing if they believe he has the majority?

so essentially it comes down to whoever has the most delegates, right?

ideally, i would want paul to give a speech before the voting in an effort to convince the other delegates to see the light.

He can give a speach when he

He can give a speach when he accepts.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Rules? What rules.

Correct, Congress isn't bound to the will of the people. They vote against them constantly. This is only comparable in the case of a referrendum where there actually is a popular vote on a bill or act.

There is no rule that says representatives have to vote the will of the people. But there is a rule that says delegates have to vote for the winner of the popular vote. But its just a rule. We've seen the RNC break rules time and again so apparently its okay to break them. They set the standard, after all.

So break them! Make them have to break them again and expose themselves. You'll never catch a criminal if they don't break the law!

How about this scenario? You voted for someone at a primary. They won. You are now bound. Then this candidate has a nasty scandal kick up or committed a crime. Now you and everyone else doesn't like them, even though RNC does. You still gonna vote for that guy? Who chooses, you or the RNC?

WHO CHOOSES? YOU OR THE RNC?

GOP "law-abidingness" LOL!

Sounds good to me, and couldn't happen to more deserving people!

It would be a very good idea if the delegates carried documentation of GOP voter fraud, their deliberate miscounting or losing Ron Paul votes during the caucases, primaries, or the State conventions, intimidation of RP supporters, and so on.

Such news would certainly be of interest to many people, both in and out of the convention, and could only help us in our attempt to secure Ron Paul the nomination honestly--or as honestly as possible, given whom we are fighting.

The best defence here, as usual, is a good offense. Let the world --especially the American people, even those who supported Romney et al.)--know what crooks and disreptuables our opponents really are!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be attacked successfully, it is to be defended badly". F. Bastiat

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, finally they attack you, and then you win"! Mohandas Gandhi

I don't have the mind of a lawyer, but If I understand correctly

what Matt Larson is saying in this video, All bound or unbound delegates can vote for whomever, even on the first ballot, according to this particular rule..Is it rule 15 or rule 38? I don't remember which is which, however, if it is indeed true and Ron Paul supporters are selected as delegates and winning the respective states, Ron Paul has a much greater chance of defeating Romney and winning the republican nomination for president of the United States...

Wow, just wow!!

Now i can see how Warren G. Harding was able to win the republican nomination is 1921, even though he had only about 6 delegates prior to entering the RNC...

If i'm in error in my interpretation of what Matt Larsen said, then please respond if you wish...

By the way, the RNC rules exist to help, but not hinder the establishments desired candidate. These RNC RULES ARE PRIVATE PARTY RULES. If any of these rules are violated by the Republican National Committee members, there are no legal sanctions that can be imposed upon these people. So if they decide to cheat Ron Paul out of winning the nomination, they can and will do so without any fear of criminal charges or criminal prosecution.. Does that sound about right?

Again, if I'm wrong, chime in and clarify this for me..

Q: Why be concerned with RULES while they haven't?

It seems to me the RNC has no qualms about ignoring their own rulebook when it becomes convenient to do so.

Also, if these are "rules" not laws and they continually break them...

Well then, F the RULES!

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

Seems the only rule that the RNC is bound to

is the Golden Rule...

....He who has the Gold makes the Rules.

And you can bet someone is lining pockets with either cash or politician influence to rig the system in Romney's favor over Ron Paul.

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

My brain hurts!

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Thank God

We still technically live in a Republic!

No need to argue and infight...

We're a bunch of self-educated people. I think we can have a reasonable discussion without all the back and forth name calling and down-votes.

I can only speak for Texas's rules, but I'm sure it's similar to other states.

I'm assuming we all share the same goals of getting Ron Paul the nomination.

IMO, the intent of the rules is fairly clear.

RULE NO. 15 - Election, Selection, Allocation, or Binding of Delegates and Alternate Delegates ( www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf#page=24 )

(c) General

In ALL elections or selections of delegates or alternate delegates to the national convention, the following rules shall apply:

(1) Delegates and alternate delegates to the national convention may be elected, selected, allocated, or BOUND only in ONE of the following manners:

(i) by primary election;
(ii) by the Republican state committee, where specifically provided by state law;
(iii) by state and Congressional district conventions;
(iv) by any method consistent with these rules by which delegates and alternate delegates were elected, selected, allocated, or bound to the most recent Republican National Convention from that state;
(v) by Rule No. 13 (a)(2) of these rules."

RULE NO. 38 - Unit Rule ( www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf#page=43 )

No delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or Congressional district to impose the unit rule.

Read it like this, "No delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound...to impose the unit rule."

Where is the Unit Rule defined? It is defined in your states' GOP rules. For Texas, these can be reviewed here: http://www.texasgop.org/about-the-party

Specifically, here: s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2011RPTRules_Amended.pdf#page=5

The Unit Rule is defined as, "the use of the unit rule (whereby the entire delegation votes as a unit not recognizing the minority votes within the delegation) or the practice of giving binding instructions to the delegates shall not be permitted at any level of the convention process."

This is how the TX votes will be announced in accordance with the popular vote which happens on May 29th: http://youtu.be/nzxZqb8gZEo

If you want further evidence, you can watch this video at 45:19. You'll see Texas's votes being cast at the National Convention in 1988 by George W. Bush: http://www.hulu.com/watch/193355/boogie-man-the-lee-atwater-...

I'm pretty sure we can't abstain in TX on the first ballot, because all the votes will be revealed by one prominent Texan. I could be mistaken however. And I believe we could change the rules.

My intentions are NOT to be a Debby-downer, but rather determine the truth so we can formulate a plan of action and so that we will know what to expect.

So in conclusion, I'm pretty confident binding delegates is completely within the rules (Rule 15) and Rule 38 is only banning the use of the Unit Rule which attempts to bind delegates outside of those allowed methods in Rule 15.

Thoughts?

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Motion to suspend the rules

Motion to suspend the rules and nominate Ron Paul is all that is required to overocme any delegate binding. If at the RNC there is a motion to suspend and nominate, then the delegates would not be voting on a candidate, they would be voting on a motion made from the floor.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

You are 100% correct but it

You are 100% correct but it seems some would rather argue than actually read what things say and mean.

National Republican Convention

Following the RNC rules and in the face of all the cheating and election fraud against a true vote in Republican caucuses, primaries, and state conventions throughout the country --- vote Ron Paul in every vote at the national convention. Peace,

Rule 11. I'm confused.

The RNC shall not, without written and filed approval …, contribute money, aid to any candidate except the nominee.
Does this mean they can contribute money and aid with written and filed approval?

Now the time has come

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Members of Congress are NOT "Bound" to vote for what.....

their constituents want, sometimes by overwhelming majorities. People were against TARP by over 90%. Yet, this trash bill passed. Congress didn't care what their constituents thought. They voted the way that the puppet masters wanted.

Likewise, the delegates cannot be "bound." That is why the GOP is turning the screws so hard NOW. They know that the delegates are all unbound.

No need to change the rules.

No need to change the rules. Just as the Democrats did in 2008, "I move to SUSPEND the rules and nominate Ron Paul as the Republican Nominee"..."I second the motion"...then take a vote, NOT ON THE CANDIDATE, but on the Motion to suspend and nominate. By voting on the motion and not the candidate, no one is in violation of First round binding rules.

Likewise the Romney folks can do the same, and it all comes down to WHICH candidate truly has the most delegates present.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Instead of suspending all the rules (which gives the opposition

the ability to come up with motions unfavorable to us) why not just make a motion to suspend the single offending rule specifically...that way we open the door to things being in our favor, but don't open the door to things we are not prepared for?

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

This motion would be done at

This motion would be done at roll call seeking to identify candidates QUALIFIED to recieve the nomination. It would be understood that rules are being suspended only in relation to the nomination process.

PS, the "opposition can only pass what they have a majority present to pass. They can't pass what they don't have enough votes to pass.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Thank you and...

...very interesting! I am learning more in this election than I have my entire life! One way or another, we will win!

Let's just say ...

... that a majority of the delegates at the national convention were actually Ron Paul supporters, even if they think they are bound to vote for Romney at the convention.

Being a majority at the convention, would they have the power to change the rules?

Can rules be changed.

Can't the convention move and vote to suspend or amend or accept the rules?

In 2016 when we have the majority of delegates, this may be an option.

LOL

I just posted the same question.

Great minds think alike ... in mischievious ways.

;-)

Breaking the Rules

I understand that the GOP is a private club and they can technically "break" the rules. What I don't think many people are understanding is that the Ron Paul Delegates ARE MEMBERS OF THE CLUB! This is why it is so important to have Ron Paul supporters filling delegate spots.

To my knowledge any and all mischief being discussed involves a Romney (or just anti-paul) majority of delegates who uses that majority to try and usurp existing rules or elect by acclimation. If we can get the majority in numbers (not taking into consideration bound or un-bound) then we will be in the driver's seat.

EXACTLY!

WE are the members of the club. WE need to stop referring to the GOP as "they" and those who control our destiny.

WE are in control!

This is what Ron Paul has been trying to teach us all of this time:

Self-Education
Self-Determination
Self-Empowerment

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

So is the unit rule

So is the unit rule applicable to "bound" delegates only or does it not apply regardless if you are "bound" or "unbound"?