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RNC Cheats Ron Paul And "the Unit Rule" Unbinds All Delegates!

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To me it says any attempt.

That would include unbinding one to "get around" a rule but I need to think about what you've said.

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THIS IS NOT TRUE, WTF, do

THIS IS NOT TRUE, WTF, do people state things as fact without doing the research.

There has been a blog posts and even youtube videos now stating that RULE 38 " NOT TO IMPOSE THE UNIT RULE" ALLOWS any delegate to be free to vote for who they wish regardless of state party bylaws/party rule.

This has gone viral and the information is WRONG.

They claim that RULE 38 conflicts with RULE 15 and they are correct; however, they have not looked at the whole story nor have they understood how the party avoids a conflict between the 2 rules.

Rule 38 "NOT TO IMPOSE THE UNIT RULE: states : No delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or congressional district to impose the UNIT RULE which is RULE 15 that allows the states to bind their delegates.

This would be a direct conflict of RULE 15; however, the way the party gets around this rule is simple and they have done this for years. They never bind all of their delegates. They allow atleast ONE delegate to be unbound therefor they are not binding all of their delegates therefor they are not enforcing RULE 15 "THE UNIT RULE" and avoids any conflict with RULE 38.

The blog post claims this information is based on an opinion of an attorney, THIS ATTORNEY IS WRONG! A simple look into what the states have done for years to avoid this conflict would be easily explained if this ATTORNEY actually did their research.

This information has given the misconception that any delegate can do what they want and take the easy road, I assure you this is not that case and you will have to put the work in if you want Ron Paul to be the nominee.

Any you know this how?

Any you know this how? Because you're a lawyer? Sorry, I only listen to people with sources. Sources or gtfo.

Not saying you are wrong Neverquit

But show me some proof to what you say. Because I think the way they "get around it" in the past is that normally all the candidates but 1 has suspended their campaign by the time they reach the RNC and they do not meet the requirements to be nominated on the floor, etc. So therefore the unit rule does not really apply because there is only 1 person nominated so technically the delegates are not being compelled to vote for that 1 person....they sorta have to vote for that 1 nominated candidate because there is no other option.

This year there will be two people nominated which makes things more tricky.

I read some post about 2008 and there were not very many votes besides for McCain. And the ones that were not for McCain were not spread out they were in chunks in a state. In other words it wasn't like 20 states were winner take all and in all 20 states there was 1 vote for someone other than McCain.

Again, you may be right but I can't find any proof of it. Can you show us?

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Susie 4 Liberty's picture

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Susie 4 Liberty

I have seen it. UNIT RULE :

I have seen it.

UNIT RULE : A rule of procedure at a national politcal convention under which a state's entire vote must be cast for the candidate preferred by a majority of the state's delegates.

In another post, I thought some one provided

a list of delegates that had abstained over the last 12 years. The numbers were really low (under 10 each 4 years). Could this not be used as a precedence?

Yes delegates can abstain so

Yes delegates can abstain so long as their state party rules don't prohibit abstaining or conflict with the RNC call.

Don't ask him that.. He doesn't know obviously..

Hell he can't even understand direct and simple language.. 3 letter and 2 letter words..

It clearly shows that they can or they wouldn't have been able to do it. Not to mention that the Rule #38 is crystal clear.

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Yes rule 38 is crystal clear

Yes rule 38 is crystal clear so is rule 15 and so is the definition of UNIT RULE which means: all or every

You cleary don't know how to read or do actual research

No, YOU can't read

I'm only going to point out your own quotes.

If Rule 38 says "No delegate shall be bound" then the state can't get around it by leaving one or a few delegates unbound, as you claim. Because the rule doesn't say a few delegates can't be bound, or some delegates can't be bound, it says NO delegate shall be bound. That means each and every delegate shall not be bound.

The Rule is plain: NO DELEGATE shall be bound. No means NOT even one. Are you on meds or something, that you can't even understand your own quotes?

Rule #38 specifically targets

the "UNIT RULE" dude in very simple language.

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This is great to see, strangely.

Assuming that both of you support the cause of Liberty (which your posts indicate that you do), it is nice to see us arguing amongst ourselves. Why? Because you are arguing about HOW TO FOLLOW THE RULES! This is fantastic! The name-calling is forgivable, though not my particular preference.
To weigh in on what you're discussing, I have now seen Rule 38 in print several times and I think the wording is pretty clear. Having just read Rule 15, however, I didn't see anything that provides specifically for the binding of a number of delegates from a state. There are plenty of mentions of electing, selecting or binding delegates, but only in the context of other procedural matters.

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Rule 38 says

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound by ANYYYYYYYYYYY attempt of any state or congressional district to impose the UNIT RULE which is RULE 15 that allows the states to bind their delegates."

Nowhere does it mention All.. it says No delegate.. which means not even one shall be bound so it doesn't matter that 1 is unbound or 50 if 1 is still bound.

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WRONG : UNIT RULE : A rule

WRONG :

UNIT RULE : A rule of procedure at a national politcal convention under which a state's entire vote must be cast for the candidate preferred by a majority of the state's delegates.

Wrong

No delegate or alternate delegate shall be
bound by any attempt of any state or Congressional
district to impose the unit rule.

Nowhere in there does it give you wiggle room.

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YOU ARE DENSE MAN. yOU CAN'T

YOU ARE DENSE MAN. yOU CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND A SIMPLE DEFINITION OF A WORD or you are an idiot.

Nono.. you are dense dude because you can't understand that Rule

#38 specifically addresses Unit Rules.

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mountaincat's picture

I'm curious

When delegates move to the national platform, are they still delegates or do they become electors ?

Electors are totally separate from national party delegates.

Electors are totally separate from national party delegates. Each state chooses their electors. Electors per state = number of congressional seats plus 2 senate seats. RNC has many more delegates than electors.

mountaincat's picture

Thank you

I have more research to do. I love the internet.
This process becomes fun when you're able to learn the rules and I'm having a blast with this election. Cheers!

The unit rule is defined as

The unit rule is defined as ALL or entire.

Rule 15 allows states to bind delegates in certian manners.

We can beat them at their own game but only if we understand the rules completely. You can't just pick the pieces you like or think you know, you must know them inside and out.

They have only one real tool, DICTATORSHIP

Every time they try to use rules against us, it backfires. We just use their very rules to defeat them.

THrought my life I have seen this play out a few times before.

The tricks and treachery of these vile NEOCON Bush, McCain loving, country destroying, chicken hawks just indicates they are to stupid to e honest and it will backfire as usual.

My only concern is the majority of insiders and their family members are taking up a majority of delegates.

These paper tigers will fold under any real honest preasure from us.

sovereign

Caution

I would wait for the official RP campaign to clarify this info.

I however hope and pray that this is so…..

bigmikedude's picture

I think Ben may be wrong on this one

It seems as if he may have misunderstood the rule.

I agree. I wouldn't get all excited over this because I believe if you do you'll be disappointed.

My concerns are with the unit rule and what it means.

Rule #38 does this pertain to delegates in a winner take all states only or to all delegates? This question is for the lawyers

Ron Paul

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Interesting information

We need everyone to be informed about this. Vote for who you want to. Plus seeing that the RNC in numerous states doesnt want to follow the "rules", even if it was in the rules, I would vote for who I damn well wanted to if I was a delegate on the first ballot and beyond. It appears according to the video that you can do that anyway and you are following the rules so its a moot point.