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Virginia CD-6 Convention: Post results here please!

The Virginia 6th Congressional District Convention was held on May 05, 2012.

Source: http://www.rpv.org/sites/default/files/OFFICIAL%20CALL%206th...

Per the March 06 Virginia Primary results, the 3 delegates and 3 alternates selected for National will be bound to Gov. Romney in Tampa, but only for the presidential nomination vote, and only on the first ballot. Other party business was conducted as well. Source: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/VA-R

Virginia CD-6 delegates, alternates, and guests, please post your accounts of what happened at the Convention. Thank you!

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A few more details from Virginia CD-6 convention

Back home after the VA 6th district convention! All three delegate slots and all three alternate slots were filled by Ron Paul supporters, and we got all of the candidates in that we hoped to in three state central committee positions and three regional vice chair positions. Those previously used to running the place were not very pleased by our potent exercise in representative democracy.

Part of the way through the final result counting at the very end, one lady from the Roanoke County section leaned over to her very outspoken (and very miffed) friend and whispered, "The Ron Paul people are taking all the delegate slots." It was apparent they considered this to be a travesty. I can almost empathize with them on an objective level, but no way am I going to apologize for using the published rules and clearly overwhelming Ron Paul support to take over the party from the inside.

This is exactly why we don't give up. The outcome is not as sure as many would have you believe, and new victories for liberty are happening like this in every state.

There was also some very strong tension between the Bob Goodlatte crowd and the Karen Kwiatkowski crowd, as the primary where they face off for the 6th District Representative position is coming up in on June 12th. Her people made some bright red "FIRE BOB" shirts playing with the fireman motif, including her campaign info on the back. A number of people wore these during the convention. One guy who made a generic speech--and was vocal throughout the rest of the meeting--actually took off his button-down shirt at the end of the speech to reveal his own FIRE BOB shirt, simultaneously recommending that people vote for Karen. Bob Goodlatte and his contingent were sitting right there and obviously not happy.

The convention was a complete success for RP. We won every contest where there was actually a choice, and there wasn't even any foul play (other than a chairman who gave a speech which he promised "to keep short," then added 15 minutes of shallow stories and random thanks despite the fact that he wasn't even being challenged for his position).

Thank you, Liberty patriot!

And thanks to all those who participated in this great victory yesterday in CD-6! Liberty delegates and alternates, make your plans for Tampa! (We will find ways to help you with the expense.)

Does anyone else have an account of the CD-6 Convention to share with us? Thank you!

P.S.: jrowberg, did CD-6 also elect delegates and alternates to the June 16 Virginia State Convention? How did that go for Dr. Paul? Thanks again!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Yes and no

As far as I know, everybody in CD-6 was selected for both district and state conventions at the local mass meetings. Everyone I know signed up to be a delegate at both places, so we should have pretty much the same contingent at the state convention when we select the final 13 delegates. I think.

Ok, thank you!

And a big thank you to all our Patrick Henry patriots who helped to achieve this victory at the CD-6 Convention!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Any news so far?

Thank you!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

We won some of the Shenandoah Valley counties in the primary...

... and the Liberty University precinct (within CD-6) voted 60% for Dr. Paul, so I am hopeful that we wil have a positive outcome today. News, anyone?

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Now that it is after 10:30am, the balloting can begin:

http://www.rpv.org/sites/default/files/OFFICIAL%20CALL%206th...

Does anyone know if any votes have actually taken place yet? Any updates would be much appreciated. Thank you!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

The CD-6 Convention should be underway now...

... according to the Official Call:

http://www.rpv.org/sites/default/files/OFFICIAL%20CALL%206th...

Seize the day -- and the delegates -- Virginia patriots!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Is there anyone receiving text or twitter...

... from someone at CD-6? If so, please post here to keep us informed. Thank you!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Registration at the CD-6 Convention begins now!

Go, Liberty patriots!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Virginia CD-2

The 2nd CD in Virginia is where most of the district delegates comes from. We need as much support as we can and go Virginia CD-6. Here is call from CD-2

http://www.rpv.org/sites/default/files/2012Callw-Revisions.pdf

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

Its on the 12th

Its on the 12th of May.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

Arise and go forth, Virginia Paul patriots!

Let Liberty shine upon the Shenandoah Valley this morning!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Registration begins in less than three hours!

Go get those delegates, Virginia Liberty patriots!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

how exactly do those caucuses work?

From my reading of that call, you have to be a delegate from a specific county already in order to vote in the congressional district caucus tomorrow. Is that not the case? Can anyone just show up and vote?

"The District Convention shall be composed of delegates and alternate delegates of the respective units they represent. Each Unit shall have one delegate vote per 250 votes of “Republican Voting Strength” as defined in the Republican State Party Plan of Organization (“the Plan”). The delegates and alternates shall be elected in county and city mass meetings, party canvasses or conventions called for this purpose by each unit committee in conformity with the Plan."

I think you are correct, Shazad...

... As I read it, this is not an "entry level" caucus, but rather a "stage two" convention. Hopefully, this thread will remind and/or encourage those who are eligible to make the trek to Lexington. (Of course, other Paul supporters "dropping in" to help and be supportive would not be a bad thing.)

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

it's such a strange and convoluted process

Every state has such strange rules and procedures for going through this process, and it's sometimes hard to figure out the rules even if you look hard. There have to be smarter ways to do this. There is zero chance that if these systems were being designed from scratch, they would look like this.

Shazad, I think that there is reason to believe...

... that this process was set up by Party insiders as a means of keeping control of the nomination process (while also providing for primaries and straw poll votes that make it appear that rank-and-file voters are in control). It is therefore ironic (and, from our point of view, pretty sweet) that we have been able to use the process against the Party insiders who designed it. Now, of course, the Establishment is getting cranky, for example:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/225183-rnc-...

Shazad, you and I agree (for different reasons) that it would be bad for Dr. Paul to run as a third-party candidate. I hope that high-handedness on the part of the Old Guard doesn't cause events to spin out of control...

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

that hasn't been the case for 150 years

Maybe back in the mid 1800s it was used as you describe. But in modern US history there's not an example of a candidate that had overwhelming support of the populace but party bosses who decided to ignore the will of the people and successfully put in their own guy by manipulating these meetings. In fact, recently there has been an almost universally consistent pattern of delegates chosen in these meetings voting at the national convention for the person to whom they are bound by primary voting.

I think we can all see the massive potential for corruption at these types of meetings (by people on either side). They are battles of party insiders and activists on both sides. The list of ways in which people can be disenfranchised in such events is long. They are nominally supposed to represent the will of the people, but once people realize how to use these to game the vote and overrule the will of the actual voters, the chances of that are over. I think it's wrong no matter who is doing it.

In saying this, I want to point out that I don't think there's anything wrong with Ron Paul supporters trying to get spots as delegates. They are making a contract with the state parties and as long as they are doing so in good faith and abide by that contract in full, it doesn't matter what candidate they actually support. As I've seen you post, they are allowed to vote their mind on other votes at the convention, and there's value to having your own view represented. If they are open about how they are going to vote for Romney for the Presidential nomination while bound but that they will vote for Ron Paul in later rounds, and they win the delegate spot, then great. If they get a spot as a Santorum delegate or as an unbound delegate, then great - they'll be able to vote for Ron Paul. But if the goal is to get a spot then abstain from a vote or vote for a candidate to whom they are not actually bound, then there's something very dishonest about that technique. Even if some people convince themselves that it's within the letter of the rules, it is so far outside the spirit of the rules that it naturally leads to a very negative reaction.

If the voice of the people was going massively for Ron Paul and the party leaders were taking the nomination and handing it to someone else, that would be one thing. Currently, the voice of the people is strongly in favor of Mitt Romney. If that turns in future primaries, and Ron Paul starts winning those overwhelmingly, then if people try to cheat Ron Paul out of the nomination that would be wrong and wrath by his supporters would be justified. But if it does not turn, and Romney continues to win and gets far more bound delegates than he actually needs, then there's not a plausible claim that this election has been stolen from Ron Paul. If Romney has such a massive lead and then Ron Paul, who in that scenario has lost the remaining primaries, shows up with 600 bound Romney delegates that vote for Ron Paul instead, I hope it's obvious why the party would be ticked. Paul needs to start winning primaries, and everything changes (in his favor). Next up: West Virginia, Indiana, and North Carolina.

Shazad

Strange and convoluted process it is.

Good thing we have dedicated freedom and liberty lovers to figure it all out!

I think the r3V0Lution has a better understanding of the process now than the GOP itself!

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

romney

wait, i thought u supported romney?

Are you referring to Shazad, to 2012R3V0LUT10N, or to me?

Shazad does support Gov. Romney (however, he is thoughtful, fair, and, on a good day, charitable). I support Dr. Paul. I don't have any reason to believe that 2012R3V0LUT10N does not support Dr. Paul as well.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Since we are now past midnight (EDT)...

... I have updated the thread to indicate that the convention is later today.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

George Washington, Virginia patriot:

"The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize." -- George Washington (Farewell Address, 1796)

Be united in Liberty, Virginia patriots!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

On it!

I and my brother, two friends from our church, and at least a dozen from the local "Roanokers 4 Ron Paul" group will be going. I'll try to take good notes to post the results here.

The iPad is even loaded with Tom Woods videos for my brother to play in the car on the drive up and down. It's promising to be a good day!

friends

Make sure they bring as many friends/family they can. We do not want to be outnumbered. Also tweet/facebook/call anyone you know in VA to join in.

This is the CD-6 area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia%27s_6th_congressional_...

Take that, previously unearthly sleep schedule!

Out the door early, allowing three hours for what should take half that!

Also, I'm pretty sure at this stage (the district convention, not the local one), you can't actually just show up and vote if you aren't already signed up to be a delegate there. That had to have taken place some time ago.

That is my understanding as well...

... although, having other Liberty patriots show up to help out and provide a supportive environment would be good.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Thank you...

for the helpful suggestions and link!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Thank you for your dedication, Virginia patriot!

Please be careful on the drive up, and back.

P.S.: Please post after the convention to let us know what happened. Thank you!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand