Submitted by thamnosma on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 20:24.
more senior citizen votes if they simply made some effective ads getting THIS message across:
It's long, but the message could be distilled...like a radio ad talking to some of these people in bad situations...cause it's gonna get alot worse, alot..
Will Work for Taxes
by The Mogambo Guru
From AP, we can't believe our eyes when we read, "Plan Would Let Seniors Work to Pay Taxes". It seems that in Greenburgh, N.Y., the damned local government is eating the financial guts out of its citizens. For example, a 76-year old woman named Audrey Davison lives alone, gets a $620 Social Security check per month ($7,440 a year), and has to pay $12,000 a year in property taxes on the house that she has lived in for 43 years!
Instead of the town saying, "Oh, my God! What kind of ravenous vampires have we become?" and lowering their damned spending and the damned taxes, "The town is pushing a program that would let seniors work part-time, for $7 an hour, to help pay off some of their property taxes."
Some bozo named Scott Parkin, who for some reason is the spokesman for the National Council on Aging, said that the program "sounded interesting" to him, "as long as it wasn't limited to menial work." Apparently, easy "make-work" labor for old people is insulting, but gulag-style, back-breaking forced-labor is okay! With whips! Hahaha! "And if they fall under the load, grind them into pet food and take their houses!"
He doesn't answer my question directly, but with a little clever editing, I can make it appear that way when I now insert his quote, "It's certainly in line with what we stand for, keeping seniors involved in work or volunteering as a part of healthy aging." Hahaha!
Forcing old, sick people to work to pay their taxes is "in line with" what the National Council on Aging stands for! Hahaha!
Even more astonishing, he went on to say that he would, "Eventually...like to see the county and the local school districts adopt similar plans!" I can't believe what I am reading!
I thought that I had misread it, but then he said, "If we got seniors working for the schools, there might be a more intergenerational feeling there", and apparently with all the forced labor to do the work, "It might be easier to pass the school budgets."
JMR Wayne T. agrees with me when he says, "This is surely in the top 5 most horrible examples of Government abuse of its citizens I have ever seen. This is beyond Communism, this is serfdom."
In case you were wondering why in the world your own government would be trying to enslave you or kill you with inflation, the answer is not, "Because they are evil scumbags who hate you and who want to see you dead", but because, as Daniel R. Amerman of InflationIntoWealth.com explains in his essay titled "Inflation Index Manipulation: Theft By Statistics", the purpose of the government ruining your life, the dollar, and the economy of the USA is, "through the manipulation of both inflation and inflation indexes, the government can simultaneously repay existing government obligations at 15 cents on the dollar, while repaying inflation-protected promises (in full) at a mere 27 cents on the dollar."
I know what you are thinking. You are thinking, "Wow! What a scam! How can I get in on a little of that action?" The answer is, "Buy gold. Right now. Lots of it."
Well, not satisfied with my glib answer, he actually shows the effect of 10% inflation in prices, versus the government's 3% increase in Social Security over a 19-year period from 2008 to 2027, which is particularly pertinent to you if you are planning on retiring in 2008 and living for another 19 years.
Anyway, the bottom line is found, literally, on the bottom line of his chart, and it reads, I am sorry to say, "Beneficiary Loss to index 'Management': -73%". Wow!
In terms of buying power, you are going to love this... By the government lying to you about inflation so that they don't have to pay you so much in Cost-Of-Living-Adjusted Social Security benefits for 19 years, the effect is that you can buy four things at the Dollar Store with your Social Security benefit right now, but at the end of 19 years you will be able to buy only one thing. Hahaha! "We're from the government and we're here to help you!" Hahahaha!
Mr. Amerman asks, "Can you really fool all the people with a combination of inflation and inflation index manipulation? Some might say, 'No way! People are way too smart for that, and the professors and media would quickly expose the fraud.'" Which I think is really funny because Ben Bernanke himself was the head of the economics department at Princeton, and not only did he NOT "quickly expose the fraud", he said nothing, and is now the one committing the fraud!
And don't get me started on the criminal complicity of the government-lapdog media, as I really start getting steamed, and the next thing you know, I am quoting Thomas Jefferson about how we need a little revolution every generation or so, so that we can round up newspaper publishers and throw them, as an "extraordinary rendition", into some stinking prison in some hell-hole country where the guards are sadistic and they will let me go into the cells and kick the living hell out of all of them whenever I am in the mood, which is pretty much whenever I think of their perfidy and treason and the misery and suffering they've caused, which is pretty much all of the time, which means I am going to need some steel-toed safety boots to prevent injury to myself! And it's too late for Santa Claus this year!
Mr. Amerman is aghast at the sudden appearance of the Vicious Nature Of The Mogambo (VNOTM), and trying to get back to some semblance of sanity and human decency, says, "The problem for retirees, inflation-indexed workers and general investors is that the above strategy works like a charm from a governmental perspective. Indeed it works better than any other alternative from a political perspective, as it allows much of the damage to be hidden behind statistics and economists, even as promises are legally kept, while being broken in substance."
Sort of like Bill Clinton famously declaring, "It all depends on how you define 'is'" and The Mogambo saying, "I'll pay you back!"; we all know there is a lie in there someplace.
Mogambo sez: With all the losses, the Dow Jones Industrial Average index is now sporting a price-to-earnings ratio of 47. You have probably concluded by the way my face is ashen and my breath comes in ragged gasps that something is wrong, because this means that the price of the Dow would have to fall to half to bring the P/E ratio back to 23, which is also unnaturally high, and due to fall some more!
And bonds? Hahaha! Bonds are so highly priced that they are literally yielding less than the rate of inflation as it is!
But this is all not just wrong, it is more than wrong; it is insane! Hahaha! Insane! Insane, I tells ya!
And that is why I cling to gold and silver with such force, measured in sheer firepower, which is the only sane thing left to do in a world gone mad! And that is not just me talking like I am such a smart guy who has figured out something new and exciting, but the sum total of all of the world's history, which proves over and over and over again that everyone always turns to gold at the end. Always. The smart ones first.
But, mark my words, even after NH, lots of Paul supporters will still be claiming the polls are wrong in the next state and we'll see the same thing all over again. Instead of facing up to the fact that the campaign management is the problem, they copout by blaming the polls, the "MSM," and "vote fraud." The problem is the campaign managers (and all the problems that result from that, that are too numerous to mention).
Submitted by thamnosma on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 20:15.
not with you on vote fraud yet. I mean the machine will work a bit against you here and there, but no huge ripoffs. Polls, I have to say that I've begrudgingly accepted the more-or-less decent accuracy over the years DEPENDING on how the questions are asked. There were polls this week that left RP's name of the candidate list, so what sort of response could you get?
However, I'm with you on the MSM (and other machines in the Control of Power machine) wall...they slant the morons heavily, er, masses, heavily.
And one needs really nimble talented campaign managers when confronted with a universal opposition from the powr structure. Nice guy and congressional campaign organizers are simply not gonna do it.
Submitted by thamnosma on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 20:11.
on the ground in NH about how awful the media campaign was. HQ ran lots of radio ads, but it was the SAME ad all about illegal immigration. One f'ing radio ad? No ad about the war, no ad about finances, economy, no ad about the constitution, personal liberty....are you JOKING?
We could sit in an audio studio and crank out a dozen spots over the weekend with cool sound effects and music. Snappy even.
There are skilled pro's out here in California who would produce awesome video ads for, if not free, for a fraction of the typical production costs. But, no, we wouldn't want that. Instead, the campaign makes video ads consisting of wide shots of RP's speeches, with auditorium quality sound, with slow paced editing....I mean painful.
I'm at a total loss on how this was put together.
Sorry, don't want to be down and I'm not down at all on the candidate, his message, the issues and the awesome heartfelt volunteers trudging through snow and wind and ice....but geez,....the NHQ is lost.
defies explanation, other than the campaign management are not highly intelligent savvy people. Low intelligence dullards aren't going to cut it. We can complain to them all they want, but they're not going to fire themselves. Paul himself would have to take charge and replace the upper management. But, his sense of loyalty would probably prevent this. So, it seems like an unresolvable problem. I guess all we can do is hope someone up there will have a breakthrough. We can however contribute to the grassroots ads projects. It's just a shame that so much of those millions of dollars we send up there is used so inefficiently.
Ron needs 3rd place tonight or his campaign is in big
trouble. If you cant SELL LIBERTY in the live free or
die state than I dont think his campaign will gain traction
in other states.
Well it looks like things are worse then I had feared. 5th place in
NH is not a good outcome for Ron Paul. If you think 5th place is
going to help this guy then you are wrong.
Sorry, but I think this is going to kill the momentum. We gave him
20 million dollars to get his message out. And Rudy who didnt
even campaign in the state is beating him. Not Good At All.
By the way CNN pie graph isnt even showing his name. This is why
he needed 3rd place. They wont even mention his name the rest of the
night.
Submitted by twiningtree on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 19:46.
Only one big precinct in so far. Their precincts have vastly differfent populations depending on where they are, and the earliest ones are going to tend to be those with the least votes to count. These percents do not represent the percent of the voting population, just of the precincts that were drawn up for largely geographic, rather than demographic reasons.
Submitted by AAAAANDRE on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 21:22.
I think I heard they were running out of Democrat ballots.
I guess the "Independents" all rushed over to get in on the Hillary/Obama fight?
And left Paul hanging???
Folks, do you think the Campaign might have picked up a few
more senior citizen votes if they simply made some effective ads getting THIS message across:
It's long, but the message could be distilled...like a radio ad talking to some of these people in bad situations...cause it's gonna get alot worse, alot..
Will Work for Taxes
by The Mogambo Guru
From AP, we can't believe our eyes when we read, "Plan Would Let Seniors Work to Pay Taxes". It seems that in Greenburgh, N.Y., the damned local government is eating the financial guts out of its citizens. For example, a 76-year old woman named Audrey Davison lives alone, gets a $620 Social Security check per month ($7,440 a year), and has to pay $12,000 a year in property taxes on the house that she has lived in for 43 years!
Instead of the town saying, "Oh, my God! What kind of ravenous vampires have we become?" and lowering their damned spending and the damned taxes, "The town is pushing a program that would let seniors work part-time, for $7 an hour, to help pay off some of their property taxes."
Some bozo named Scott Parkin, who for some reason is the spokesman for the National Council on Aging, said that the program "sounded interesting" to him, "as long as it wasn't limited to menial work." Apparently, easy "make-work" labor for old people is insulting, but gulag-style, back-breaking forced-labor is okay! With whips! Hahaha! "And if they fall under the load, grind them into pet food and take their houses!"
He doesn't answer my question directly, but with a little clever editing, I can make it appear that way when I now insert his quote, "It's certainly in line with what we stand for, keeping seniors involved in work or volunteering as a part of healthy aging." Hahaha!
Forcing old, sick people to work to pay their taxes is "in line with" what the National Council on Aging stands for! Hahaha!
Even more astonishing, he went on to say that he would, "Eventually...like to see the county and the local school districts adopt similar plans!" I can't believe what I am reading!
I thought that I had misread it, but then he said, "If we got seniors working for the schools, there might be a more intergenerational feeling there", and apparently with all the forced labor to do the work, "It might be easier to pass the school budgets."
JMR Wayne T. agrees with me when he says, "This is surely in the top 5 most horrible examples of Government abuse of its citizens I have ever seen. This is beyond Communism, this is serfdom."
In case you were wondering why in the world your own government would be trying to enslave you or kill you with inflation, the answer is not, "Because they are evil scumbags who hate you and who want to see you dead", but because, as Daniel R. Amerman of InflationIntoWealth.com explains in his essay titled "Inflation Index Manipulation: Theft By Statistics", the purpose of the government ruining your life, the dollar, and the economy of the USA is, "through the manipulation of both inflation and inflation indexes, the government can simultaneously repay existing government obligations at 15 cents on the dollar, while repaying inflation-protected promises (in full) at a mere 27 cents on the dollar."
I know what you are thinking. You are thinking, "Wow! What a scam! How can I get in on a little of that action?" The answer is, "Buy gold. Right now. Lots of it."
Well, not satisfied with my glib answer, he actually shows the effect of 10% inflation in prices, versus the government's 3% increase in Social Security over a 19-year period from 2008 to 2027, which is particularly pertinent to you if you are planning on retiring in 2008 and living for another 19 years.
Anyway, the bottom line is found, literally, on the bottom line of his chart, and it reads, I am sorry to say, "Beneficiary Loss to index 'Management': -73%". Wow!
In terms of buying power, you are going to love this... By the government lying to you about inflation so that they don't have to pay you so much in Cost-Of-Living-Adjusted Social Security benefits for 19 years, the effect is that you can buy four things at the Dollar Store with your Social Security benefit right now, but at the end of 19 years you will be able to buy only one thing. Hahaha! "We're from the government and we're here to help you!" Hahahaha!
Mr. Amerman asks, "Can you really fool all the people with a combination of inflation and inflation index manipulation? Some might say, 'No way! People are way too smart for that, and the professors and media would quickly expose the fraud.'" Which I think is really funny because Ben Bernanke himself was the head of the economics department at Princeton, and not only did he NOT "quickly expose the fraud", he said nothing, and is now the one committing the fraud!
And don't get me started on the criminal complicity of the government-lapdog media, as I really start getting steamed, and the next thing you know, I am quoting Thomas Jefferson about how we need a little revolution every generation or so, so that we can round up newspaper publishers and throw them, as an "extraordinary rendition", into some stinking prison in some hell-hole country where the guards are sadistic and they will let me go into the cells and kick the living hell out of all of them whenever I am in the mood, which is pretty much whenever I think of their perfidy and treason and the misery and suffering they've caused, which is pretty much all of the time, which means I am going to need some steel-toed safety boots to prevent injury to myself! And it's too late for Santa Claus this year!
Mr. Amerman is aghast at the sudden appearance of the Vicious Nature Of The Mogambo (VNOTM), and trying to get back to some semblance of sanity and human decency, says, "The problem for retirees, inflation-indexed workers and general investors is that the above strategy works like a charm from a governmental perspective. Indeed it works better than any other alternative from a political perspective, as it allows much of the damage to be hidden behind statistics and economists, even as promises are legally kept, while being broken in substance."
Sort of like Bill Clinton famously declaring, "It all depends on how you define 'is'" and The Mogambo saying, "I'll pay you back!"; we all know there is a lie in there someplace.
Mogambo sez: With all the losses, the Dow Jones Industrial Average index is now sporting a price-to-earnings ratio of 47. You have probably concluded by the way my face is ashen and my breath comes in ragged gasps that something is wrong, because this means that the price of the Dow would have to fall to half to bring the P/E ratio back to 23, which is also unnaturally high, and due to fall some more!
And bonds? Hahaha! Bonds are so highly priced that they are literally yielding less than the rate of inflation as it is!
But this is all not just wrong, it is more than wrong; it is insane! Hahaha! Insane! Insane, I tells ya!
And that is why I cling to gold and silver with such force, measured in sheer firepower, which is the only sane thing left to do in a world gone mad! And that is not just me talking like I am such a smart guy who has figured out something new and exciting, but the sum total of all of the world's history, which proves over and over and over again that everyone always turns to gold at the end. Always. The smart ones first.
If Ron Paul gets 5th place in New Hampshire
Fire the campaign manager immediately and hire a REPUBLICAN political expert manager in his place.
I realize only 10% of the vote is in, but this doesn't look pretty.
It would also show what I've argued about IOWA on here:
The FINAL POLLS ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY PEOPLE!
and
THE RON PAUL CAMPAIGN ONLY MANAGED TO GAIN 1 PERCENTAGE POINT IN THE LAST 60 DAYS.
God I hope I'm wrong.
Youre right about the polls
But, mark my words, even after NH, lots of Paul supporters will still be claiming the polls are wrong in the next state and we'll see the same thing all over again. Instead of facing up to the fact that the campaign management is the problem, they copout by blaming the polls, the "MSM," and "vote fraud." The problem is the campaign managers (and all the problems that result from that, that are too numerous to mention).
The problem is all four
The problem is all four things: the campaign managers, the msm, vote fraud, and polls.
djskiefer....
not with you on vote fraud yet. I mean the machine will work a bit against you here and there, but no huge ripoffs. Polls, I have to say that I've begrudgingly accepted the more-or-less decent accuracy over the years DEPENDING on how the questions are asked. There were polls this week that left RP's name of the candidate list, so what sort of response could you get?
However, I'm with you on the MSM (and other machines in the Control of Power machine) wall...they slant the morons heavily, er, masses, heavily.
And one needs really nimble talented campaign managers when confronted with a universal opposition from the powr structure. Nice guy and congressional campaign organizers are simply not gonna do it.
I think he may make it to 4th
but no more than that. I blame it on the low quality of advertising. Spending a million dollars on airing an ad that took $5000 to make. It's absurd.
New Hampshire is one of the most, if not the most libertarian state in the U.S. There's no excuse.
there have been several posts from volunteers
on the ground in NH about how awful the media campaign was. HQ ran lots of radio ads, but it was the SAME ad all about illegal immigration. One f'ing radio ad? No ad about the war, no ad about finances, economy, no ad about the constitution, personal liberty....are you JOKING?
We could sit in an audio studio and crank out a dozen spots over the weekend with cool sound effects and music. Snappy even.
There are skilled pro's out here in California who would produce awesome video ads for, if not free, for a fraction of the typical production costs. But, no, we wouldn't want that. Instead, the campaign makes video ads consisting of wide shots of RP's speeches, with auditorium quality sound, with slow paced editing....I mean painful.
I'm at a total loss on how this was put together.
Sorry, don't want to be down and I'm not down at all on the candidate, his message, the issues and the awesome heartfelt volunteers trudging through snow and wind and ice....but geez,....the NHQ is lost.
It
defies explanation, other than the campaign management are not highly intelligent savvy people. Low intelligence dullards aren't going to cut it. We can complain to them all they want, but they're not going to fire themselves. Paul himself would have to take charge and replace the upper management. But, his sense of loyalty would probably prevent this. So, it seems like an unresolvable problem. I guess all we can do is hope someone up there will have a breakthrough. We can however contribute to the grassroots ads projects. It's just a shame that so much of those millions of dollars we send up there is used so inefficiently.
NEEDS 3RD PLACE!
Ron needs 3rd place tonight or his campaign is in big
trouble. If you cant SELL LIBERTY in the live free or
die state than I dont think his campaign will gain traction
in other states.
RP doesn't need 3rd place,
RP doesn't need 3rd place, although it would be huge for his campaign. 4th would be a big step, however. We shall see soon enough...
mets4885
What a foolish post this is
LOL
Well it looks like things are worse then I had feared. 5th place in
NH is not a good outcome for Ron Paul. If you think 5th place is
going to help this guy then you are wrong.
Sorry, but I think this is going to kill the momentum. We gave him
20 million dollars to get his message out. And Rudy who didnt
even campaign in the state is beating him. Not Good At All.
By the way CNN pie graph isnt even showing his name. This is why
he needed 3rd place. They wont even mention his name the rest of the
night.
Look at the vote counts, people
Only one big precinct in so far. Their precincts have vastly differfent populations depending on where they are, and the earliest ones are going to tend to be those with the least votes to count. These percents do not represent the percent of the voting population, just of the precincts that were drawn up for largely geographic, rather than demographic reasons.
Wow, the smear may have worked
We are solidifying 5th place as the votes come in. We better see some movement very soon.
How much spread between 3rd and 5th?
It's so close right now
It's so close right now between Paul & Giuliani:
Huckabee: 1,631
Giuliani: 1,218
Paul: 1,108
they said they almost ran out of ballots
Give me Liberty or Give me death
Give me Liberty or Give me death
Dem Ballots
I think I heard they were running out of Democrat ballots.
I guess the "Independents" all rushed over to get in on the Hillary/Obama fight?
And left Paul hanging???