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Concluding the argument between The Unit Rule and Rule 38

Here is the list of states that bind every single delegate:
1. South Carolina - 25 delegates
2. Nevada - 28 delegates
3. Florida - 50 delegates
4. Arizona - 29 delegates
5. Michigan - 30 delegates
6. Georgia - 76 delegates
7. Idaho - 32 delegates
8. Vermont - 17 delegates
9. Kansas - 40 delegates
10. Maryland - 37 delegates
11. Wisconsin - 42 delegates
12. Delaware - 17 delegates
13. New Jersey - 50 delegates
14. Utah - 40 delegates

Versus the argument between the Unit Rule and RNC Rule 38

The Unit Rule (Rule 15)
A rule under which a delegation to a national political convention casts its entire vote as a unit as determined by a majority vote.

Rule 38
No delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or Congressional district to impose the unit rule.
My conclusion: Rule 38 applies to the 14 states above as they are in conflict with Rule 15 (Unit Rule)

Prove me wrong if you can

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who knows.

All this talk about abstaining and rule 38 and stuff is making me a little crazy. Hopefully, everyone is on the same page come july at least.

I take back what i said,

super delegates are those 3 party leader delegates. So, we have essentially 513 more unbound delegates because of rule 38!

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No need to prove you wrong

No need to prove you wrong because you are correct.

If any state binds its district as a unit under rule 38 can be utilized.

Example : Romney win all 3 delegates in district 3 to which they are bound to vote for Romney for 1 round of voting rule 38 can be utilized.

Example 2 : Romney wins 2 delegates in in district 3 Ron Paul wins one delegate, to which 2 must vote and be bound for romney for one vote and one for ron paul is bound for 1 vote, rule 38 does not apply.

Hope this helps.

No delegate is bound

by state party rules at a national convention.


The national Gop rules are pretty clear, while states can bind delegates, those delegates are not required to follow that binding anywhere in the national rule book. Winner take all delegates are EXPRESSLY unbound.

well. does that mean we have a chance or not?

I thought if delegates were bound by their state, while it is true the GOP does not bind at the national level, if the state binds, then the delegate must vote as the state bound them to do.....is that true or not?



are unbound technically. As a delegate at the national convention, the delegate votes their binding should they choose, or not.

read the gop rules

put this on another thread: " National gop rules allow states to bind, however nothing in the rules states delegates must uphold that binding at the national convention. Reason being the binding is done based on primaries and such which may, or importantly may not, reflect the gop party. For instance, in many states democrats and independants are allowed to vote in the republican primaries. While the primary tests the waters for a general election, the outcome may not align in the best interests of the gop. So delegates technically are unbound on the national level, or no rule states the bind must be followed at the national convention.

All primaries and caucuses are simply straw votes. The real nomination process is done through grassroot elections of precinct, county, and finally state elections of delegates who determine who gets the nomination."

Honestly, read the national gop rules, it is all right there. Getting involved is all you have to do. Ron will win, or not, based on how involved his supporters are this year, inside (aka delegate count) the Republican Party.

The states get around this by leaving just a few delegates that

are not bound..like 3




Georgia, New Jersey, Wisconsin, Utah, Kansas, Maryland, Idaho, Nevada, Delaware, and Vermont all bind their 3 party leaders to the primary result.

Florida, Michigan, Arizona, and South Carolina have all been penalized for breaking RNC schedule guidelines, cutting their delegation number in half and removing the voting privileges of party leaders.

New Hampshire could be considered as a 15th state if Jon Huntsman does not withdraw, which I believe he hasn't done so yet.

Does this count?

Unbound superdelegates?

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