LATEST RESULTS–We're Good
Submitted by jaradjohnson on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 19:48
Just to clear up the panic, we look to be ok. Here are the current results:
McCain- 5,191
Romney- 3,876
Huckabee- 1,631
Giuliani- 1,218
Paul- 1,108
Thompson- 201
We aren't that far behind! Just a few hundred votes, and it's VERY early. Let's chill out a little bit.
Also, PLEASE IGNORE THE DERAILING POSTS. We have to realize there are people out there that want us to give up and no matter what happens tonight WE CAN NOT GIVE UP!
We are fighting for freedom and I'm in it until the absolute end.
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Nauseating
I feel nauseaus after watching CNN . To be a few hundred votes behind ghouliani is bad enough but not to have RP on their pie graph when he was at a consistent 9% with him disgusts me. To give credit Jack Cafferty mentioned RP by name earlier saying it was a three way tie for third. Actually on reflection I do have to give them some credit as of just a moment ago they gave RP some exposure with a look in on the RP camp and a speech from the good doctor himself to supporters. I am very surprised that the people of NH would fall for the venomous spew of Mc Cain. Let's march on and spread the good word.
Yeah, Matt Lauer featuring ghouliani was bad enough for me
I see there are Meetup groups formed or wanting to form whose goal it is to topple Big Media as it is called. When this campaign is over i think i may start working on that. I will hire the pooperozi to find dirt on all the media jerks and set up my own basement media outlet.
They say some of Jackson's last words of note were "I Killed The Bank" Maybe our legacy will be "We Killed the Fox." It's a lovely fantasy. I hope Ron Paul does sue them some day, if he can stomach it. Bless him. He is an angel.
Nausea seems to be a common theme among us all. Well, anyway, i just wanted to mention i stumbled across those Down With Media groups - sign of the times. Thanks.
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Ron Paul needs to run ads on three topics
1.) he is for a strong national defense and will do everything in his power to prevent a terrorist attack on america,
2.) He has got to run a feel good ad about hope for the future and he is the change candidate
3.) He wants to restore American's economy and do what he can to raise income or keep costs low.
good stuff - yeah. i am not vey moved by some of the ads.
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I will keep going but i too feel down
Chick_Deney, et al - i see what you are trying to do, and thank you.
My issue is, i've always been a good goal setter and very good at accomplishment and taking action. I do understand about positive motivation. But i am not comfortable having a goal and not knowing anything else. When all i hear is "Keep going" and "this is about character" that's great - but it does not give me anything to work toward. I am more sophisticated in mind than that. I am a big picture person. So - to just go thru the motions - depresses me. To not understand HOW we could still make it - if we can. It just leaves me feeling deflated and disconnected. Like i am being played. Does that get my point across without being too negative? Thanks.
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This is a trivial blip in
This is a trivial blip in the larger scheme of things. COURAGE people! Don't get knocked out of your seat by a puff of breeze. Revolutions take real guts... this is where we find out who is a Human Being all the way through to the bone marrow... this is about Character, Determination, Will To Win.... think of it as a Rorschach test that mirrors your inner convictions. Turn your guts around. Face the fire. Stay strong. Believe. Victory Is An Attitude.
Pretty prose, but I'm
Pretty prose, but I'm feeling really deflated right now. Like I don't know how I can live in such a dumb country. To be behind Hucklebee, Ghouliana...I don't know how I can ever have any interest again in people who are voting for such wicked men. I think I have to go throw up now...sorry I guess I fail your "real guts" test. Oh well. If I were strong McCain would only want to draft me anyway. =(
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Without A Doubt
This country has gone off track, and will most likely continue going off track. Revolutions aren't accomplished by those people though.
Yes, they are stupid, yes they could care less about what really happens to our country but this also works as an advantage since the people we are forced to fight are extremely ignorant. If we continue I truly believe we can accomplish our goals.
We're still ahead of Rudy and Fred. You sure as hell don't see Rudy giving up.
good?? Maybe so, but....
....don't hold your breath waiting for it to get much better.
Watch, then decide.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs
I applaud
your optimism and I agree we can not give up ... but I don't see how "we're good". This is a clear indicator to me that the fix is in. The percentages were established from the very first reporting precincts and stayed rock solid throughout - that is very strange, all commumities are not the same demographically or economically and do not vote exactly the same. In the beginning when only a small percentage of precincts had reported the percentages should have shifted around much more erratically. Furthermore, I simply refuse to believe that these clowns all beat Ron Paul in the "live free or die" state. Is it not odd that Ron Paul stayed just behind Giuliani right from the start, never overtaking him and never having his name displayed on the Pie??
We have had to fight and claw every step of the way in this campaign, to get the attention of the media, to get included in the debates. We have had to fight slander in both the media and in the blogisphere. We're gonna have to fight for this too - they are rigging the vote counting. They rigged it in 2004, and they are rigging it now. Wake up and smell the coffee. The powers-that-be can not afford to have a US president who wants to deliver liberty to the people and get rid of the Federal Reserve, and they will and can CHEAT to prevent it from happening. We need to do something proactive, count the d@mn votes ourselves if we have to. Otherwise, this is how all the states will be (mis-) counted and Ron Paul will lose.
Sites worth looking at:
http://www.libertybroadcastnetwork.org/
http://www.bbvforums.org
Totals have stayed relatively the same... but NOT the districts.
The percentages were established from the very first reporting precincts and stayed rock solid throughout - that is very strange, all communities are not the same demographically or economically and do not vote exactly the same.
If you will examine the individual counties (here: http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html), you will see that the results DO change (sometimes pretty substantially) from county to county.
To me what all of this reveals is that the MSM still *does* determine the reality of the outcome -- mainly by playing the whole "horserace" thing: people are stupid, and vote MAINLY based on their perceptions of who they THINK will win in their state... in essence, they go with the crowd.
Is there "skulduggery" going on? Possibly, but I doubt it is going on with any uniformity across the state. Incompetence and failure to get the message out on the part of the campaign seems to be a much more likely cause. Reports are that despite what we were told, the campaign spent minimal dollars on Radio and TV ads in Iowa OR New Hampshire; not sure exactly what they did spend the money on, but apparently it wasn't advertising.
I'm totally with this post
1) Terrible media campaign by the official campaign. This is a given now. Sufficient numbers of NH field people have described the shoddy organization of the media presentation. If you've viewed any of the official campaign ads on youtube, you will readily concur. I don't mean the cool indie ones, the official campaign ads are marked such and often put up by the campaign. Quite a few I've seen consisted of wide shots of RP speeches, painstakingly slow editing and bad audio quality. Not unlike some 1970's educational film they'd show in 16mm in the classroom (a bit harsh, but not that harsh). The audience is eons beyond that.
The messages themselves are poorly focused, due to the editing. In the radio effort, the campaign produced one, yes ONE ad. About illegal immigratoin which was played over and over while the other campaigns attacked a variety of themes. Audio ads are about the cheapest thing you can make out there. And for a cashed up organization, just awful.
2) The moronic masses. There are ample sociololgical studies on human herd mentality. It's well known in the investment world...buy when everyone is scared and get the hell out when everyone wants in. Like the dot.com bubble. When the waiter tells you about the latest IPO on a tech stock, if you didn't get out then, you lost your shirt.
Same deal here. People want to go with a winner. It makes them feel better about themselves. The MSM knows how to manipulate that to a tee. That's what psychological marketing and advertising is all about. Get them afraid and then give them the protection. The herd went to John McCain because they were led there. Voting for a guy like Ron Paul who tells people he's going to help them take back control over the lives....they don't WANT control over their lives. They want the government to take care of them, dems or reps. MOOOOOOO goes the herd.
The only real chance to finish strong was a dynamic media campaign to match the others. Campaign wasn't up to it, not even close.
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doubled posting (slow system tonight).
I guess you answered your
I guess you answered your own question, so to speak.
There IS nothing we can do. Whatever they want, they will do.
It's devastating, heartbreaking, shocking, depressing, OVERWHELMING...but I see no other way to call it.
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Not at all
I'm saying we have to accept that they are capable and willing to manipulate the vote count (there is a mountain of evidence supporting this), and get serious about demanding an honest count. I wasn't joking when I said "count the d@mn votes ourselves if we have to" ... obviously we can't "count the votes ourselves", but we can demand hand-counts at precincts that use voting machines (at least in NH), and independently collect numbers from the different precincts and tabulate ourselves independently, to keep them honest. Hopefully there are Ron Paul people out there doing exactly that this minute. We can also have Ron Paul voters check in and verify their vote or fill out affidavits after they leave the polling place ... I don't know exactly how to do it, I suspect it will depend on the state and the laws there. My point is, we are going to have to fight for this, too.
I guarantee, if this was counted honestly Ron Paul would have come in at least 2nd - that's my feeling at least, and I'll bet most people who have been on this roller coaster too feel it in their heart as well.
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Just Educate
Just educate him. He's confused and probably upset because he doesn't understand the voting process.
I understand
the voting process. I undersatnd this whole process. My friend in fact runs the website pollster.com and we talk about all this stuff all the time. We argued all the time about Paul's support and the issues with polls and the nomination process and the power of the early states. I undersatnd this process.
No.
No.
"Good morning, Mr. Greenspan. I understand that you did not take my friendly advice last fall. I thought maybe you should look for other employment, but I see you have kept your job."
"Good morning, Mr. Greenspan. I understand that you did not take my friendly advice last fall. I thought maybe you should look for other employment, but I see you have kept your job."
A lot of things change
When "Live Free or Die" was penned in New Hampshire, Texas belonged to Mexico. Go figure..........we sure need to beat Huckaboom, or we're in for a long, long, bloody fight. We need some traction, somewhere.
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What are you talking about?
We're Good? What if we placed 8th place? Would we be flat out kicking ass. This is hilarious. He screwed up. The campaign screwed up. Explain this. Please. I am not trying to be defeatist. I just don't understand this logic. How is this good? A few hundred votes? That often times makes or breaks the placing. That is of no consequence. What matters is the placement. First place, second place. etc. Please explain this logic. It just seems pie in the sky.
Ouch !
Please be positive Adam0980, we have no idea, poll positions change often sometimes. We must stay positive through this. This is our battle too, we're in this together.
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I Guess You Expected...
I guess you expected Ron Paul to be first? Last time I saw the polls there was a three way tie between Huck, Rudy and Paul. According to the voting, this appears to be the case.
I don't understand how an extremely close 5th or 4th would hurt our momentum at all. We destroyed Fred, which was included in the debate, so now we have something to say to Faux that's very reputable.
It seems you sir don't have the logic to be a supporter of a independent style candidate. Right now there is a ton of press saying "Paul fighting for third.", if you don't understand how that is a positive, your too far gone to help.
Dude,
I totally understand what you are saying. Momentum is great. Improvement is great. That is not the same however as winning. How do you presume he is going to win when he is well simply not winning? Under what realm of logic do you believe these results will result in him winning other states. If he runs as a third party, that is a different story. I think that is a difficult almost impossible path but that is different. Under this context, I don't see how these results are good in terms of winning. Momentum is good. Sure. it may help spread the beliefs he is fighting for, but winning is a different matter. Put it another way, any momentum he may have is nullified by the equal or greater momentum the winners receive. It just doesn't make sense what you are saying. I hope I am wrong.
He Has Something Others Don't
The different between the Ron Paul campaign and let's say the McCain campaign is the message.
When people hear the RP message they realize that it makes since. In time, almost always they will convert their vote. The problem Ron faces above all others is a lack of recognition. When he lands near the middle, and gets a lot of press like tonight for being so close to Rudy, this means people will see his name. The more they see his name the more they wonder. Then they research him and find out how he makes perfect sense.
Other candidates have the same message, democrat or republican. It just doesn't matter. People pick a character and get behind him.
So my point is, people just need to hear about Ron. Even if he wins the primaries he'll still have to be an independent as the part will never accept him. Therefore the momentum and recognition received now will most definitely translate them.
My thoughts.
I am sorry, but
I believe this is a pipe dream.
My thought.
I dont understand
I thought NH was the Live Free or Die state...why would McCain and his 100 years in Iraq be a front runner?
Not True
That term was coined for them. Pretty sure that one isn't true completely true.
I know there's a movement there to create a free state, but it's select people.
Remeber John Paul Jones
I have just begun to fight!
Same struggle, different time.
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