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Hypothetically: Ron Paul doesn't get nominated, what about Johnson

I know no matter what the odds most of us here will support Dr. Paul.

But I also think we need to plan for all possible eventualities.

One alternative could be to nominate Paul to the American's Elect spot. Another would be to focus on Johnson.

It sounds like 15% is the magic number to be included in the TV debates. I for one would welcome Johnson in the debates if I can't have Paul to have a voice against endless war and debasement of our civil liberties.

He is apparently polling at 6-9% now according to NPR. I am sure we could push him to 15%.

It is also a question about our future. This is Paul's last run for sure if he doesn't get it then we need to find someone to rally behind going forward. That said I don't know about Johnson's integrity, I'm sure it pales compared to Paul. Still I'm rather tired of the two sides of the same coin.



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Johnson is pro-fed and pro-war

Why not just vote for Obamney?

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

WHAT?

Johnson believes the Federal Reserve "needs to be reviewed and managed effectively" by congressionally auditing it.He believes its actions "should be transparent."He wants Congress to "take a close look at how the Federal Reserve Bank is operated and regulated. If changes need to be made within the Federal Reserve Bank, they should be made." He says, "We need to know where the money that is being printed is going," such as "the extent to which the Fed has purchased private assets at home and abroad."He blames high inflation on the lack of transparency in the Federal Reserve. Johnson opposes quantitative easing, which he says is merely "printing money and buying debt," and which he believes causes "malinvestment, inflation, and prolonged unemployment."

Johnson says the United States "should resort to military action as the last option and only as provided in the Constitution.

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Veterans for Ron Paul!!!

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

Incorrect.

And if Gary Johnson gets even 5% of the vote, Romney is toast in the general.

That alone is worth it.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

No way

They will let Johnson in the debates if and when it suits their purpose. Every Johnson thread posted here makes me less inclined to vote for Johnson. This is the daily Paul. I didn't appreciate Johnson jumping on the Ron Paul dropped out bandwagon yesterday. Johnson needs to prove that he is our friend by promising to step aside and endorse Dr. Paul, should Dr. Paul get the nomination.

Okay.

How many times does he have to endorse Paul? He's done it several times.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

I'm sure he would (and he's

I'm sure he would (and he's said so pretty much http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibsIAW3Gq8) but if he doesn't we need a viable plan and ALL of us have to stick with it to make it work. Our options are..

A. Johnson who will be on the ballot
B. Write in Ron Paul
C. Romney or Obama
D. Stay home

Most likely Paul will endorse Johnson I think the only reason he didn't (outright) endorse Barr last time is because Barr snubbed him. (Barr's not a real Libertarian anyhow.) And it really depends on this because if Paul says jump I'll jump but if Tampa ends without our man in the seat then we need a new plan to get our values into the white house for 2012. And after how the Republicans treated us, there is NOT A CHANCE IN HELL they will get my vote unless they are C4L Republicans.

Never beleive

A defender of the FED. Johnson is no libertarian. An even bigger mistake than Barr.

Again....

Not a defender of the Fed at all. Don't make things up.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

J/P

Johnson /Paul would get my VOTE. Thats only if Ron Paul is cheated out of the nomination

Gary wouldn't make a solid president

If ron was at the top of the ticket I would vote for gary.

Gary is running around assuming that the rEVOLution is going to back him because he has said a few things LIKE ron paul over the years.

I think he would make a great vp because hell, what do vp's really do anyway but then again if ron were to get ill or something we would then have gary AS president so that in itself worries me even with ron in the top of the ticket.

Gary needs to go try and get money elsewhere because my FRN's are given to patriots alone and if he were a true patriot he would have been endorsing and working FOR ron paul to win versus competing against him.

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Because the guy with no

Because the guy with no executive experience is better than the one that has 20 years of it?

Got it.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

I'd rather vote for Johnson

I'd rather vote for Johnson who will be on the ballot than write Paul in I'm afraid. The liberty movement will continue past Tampa and it will continue with leaders other than Ron Paul. For now tho Go Paul!

First, you'd better check out his stance on the Fed.

Comments about Johnson on this site are not good.

He is for ending the Fed and

He is for ending the Fed and will sign the legislation if it passes his desk.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

LOL

FOR NOW GO PAUL?

wow what a patriot.

Is that you gary?

you must have nothing better to do tonight than pretend you have a grassroots base ie: spammers and trolls all out in force tonight. You must have your entire support staff and serious supporters here, like what 3-5 of you. Hope the servers can take it LOL.

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I'm thinking about this too

I might vote GJ rather than write RP's name in. Not saying it's set in stone yet but I will absolutely think about it. And I do hope that RP supporters come to a consensus on some opinion one way or another. If we do go for GJ, imagine if the entire movement did? That would really be a show of unity amongst the liberty-minded.

Yes lets all hold hands together and pick who our #2 pick should

Be,,,

If the entire movement went for gary?

The entire movement went for paul and we didn't get close ( yet ), why would you think us going to gary would change that?

What base does gary have and HELL NO I will not be voting for him. If he had anything important to say in the last 4-8 years of my "political life" you think the rEVOLution would have pushed for him to jump on board don't you think?

If the LP was like ron paul in the least they would have pushed for RON and not someone like gary. This is just about PARTY and IF anyone in the LP gets big enough to make the party finally up to par with the repubs/dems odds are some prick will come in and take it over.

If ron wasn't out would you vote for gary? and if NOT why the hell change your vote just because he doesn't have a chance to "win", do you really think gary would? He doesn't even poll anywhere near what ron polls at. Is there some secret base that the LP and Gary have we don't know about that has millions of fellow patriots just waiting for the rEVOLution train to stop and pick them all up on our way to save the day?

gary who?

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Ron Paul got .5% of the vote

Ron Paul got .5% of the vote in 1988. Gary Johnson is already polling at between 5-15%.

I'd argue Gary's base may already outstrip Rons, but together, it could be magnificent.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Same here

write in won't do anything from the practical standpoint. Having Gary debate out there with the two morons would at least continue putting out the idea that you can be both fiscally conservative and socially liberal (and that you don't have to choose one or another) in the minds of the people.

Gary is worse at debates than ron is ( no offense ron )

Have you heard him in a debate platform yet?

That is really what you think is going to win this thing? A gary debate?

Wow just imagine that terrible line up

Obama vs. Romney vs. Johnson

the thing that I love though is that when I am talking with my grandkids later in life I will be able to say I voted for TILL THE END for a true patriot RON PAUL while others caved just because they didn't want to "throw away their vote".

Voting for someone other than your true pick IS a thrown away vote, voting for who you want IS YOUR VOTE and nothing more and nothing less.

Hell might as well say that anyone who doesn't vote AGAINST obama isn't American and it is best to just support romney just because he is better than obama. I guess you guys are trying to rationalize the same b.s. with gary as well.

Sad but I get it, we all try grasping at straws when we have no clue what to do next.

Another great way to look at it is with American Football. Your team is in the playoffs but at the end doesn't make the superbowl so you just start screaming for WHOEVER wins for "your side" and at that point it doesn't even matter just as long as red beats blue or blue beats red. Why leave the team you support just because they didn't make it to the superbowl? There are other seasons you know.

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Take the test.

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"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

That would be great to see

That would be great to see Johnson in the debates, he's going to need tremendous support though (mainly from us) to get that to happen though.

He will need more than support to do good in debates

Have you heard him debate before?

Not really going to be a show stopper lol.

Maybe he will say "I promise" again...

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Nobody but Paul

will get my vote. I won't consider any other. I will write him in if need be.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

I will be voting for the

I will be voting for the Constitution party candidate. I can not vote for someone who approves of abortion.

If Ron Paul endorsed Gary Johnson

I would vote for him.
I would expect Ron to have some influence on a Johnson presidency if that were to happen.

If Gary Johnson is REALLY at 6-9% that is HUGE for him.
If Ron did give him an endorsement his numbers could hit 18-19%.

EDIT:
I am NOT a fan of the fair tax however. This is my biggest problem with Johnson.

Well, getting Congress to

Well, getting Congress to vote for the Fair Tax is next to impossible no matter who's in office.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

We are Constitutional Republicans

not constitutional independents. Dr. Paul chose the GOP for a reason, write him in if he doesn't get the nomination...

"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man" -Jebediah Springfield

Funny how about every other day I see

a post trying to derail our freedom movement. Ron Paul is the best messenger, no other can replace him and any atempt to replace him is simply a treacherous tradiorous act.

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