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IBTimes: Ron Paul's Biggest Supporters Put GOP Ahead of Libertarian Party, Gary Johnson



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It's not about putting the GOP first.....

It's about CHANGING the GOP, or having enough people to actually cause change. The LP is irrelevant. Think about this. Bob Barr who was once a darling of conservatives (AND FAR MORE WELL KNOWN THAN JOHNSON) could not even get 1/2 of a percent running against John McCain....And even Barr's .04% was the second highest LP total ever. The LP and Gary Johnson are irrelevant.

Changing the GOP is a long-shot. However, the gains we have made this year will be noticed and will make a difference.

It's not that Ron's supporters are putting the GOP ahead of anything...We are putting the best chance to make a difference ahead of everything else....And the hard reality is neither the LP or Gary Johnson are going to make any kind of difference.

At this point in 2008, Bob Barr was polling 6-10% nationally. He ended up with less than 1/2 of one percent on election day. Johnson is not even registering at this point. In fact, with a margin or error of plus or minus 3%, there is a possibility that Johnson does not even exist. The LP and Gary Johnson are non factors.

That is the reason we are advancing Ron Paul's plan to change the GOP.

Ron Paul 2012 - It's Almost Here!

I met Johnson last weekend

Guys, he's a libertarian candidate. He's very down to earth, but if you're looking for a Ron Paul clone you won't find that in Gary. GJ was refreshingly candid; When I spoke to him, he seemed to have a passion for limited government, and wanted to promote the ideals of liberty. If you are looking for another Ron Paul, good luck. Maybe the Romney/Rand ticket is for you. But if you are looking for someone with whom you share values and philosophy, check out GJ. He is not trying to step on RP's toes in Tampa. In fact, he mentioned how happy he was to see how much Dr. Paul was making an impact. He hopes that voters, come November, won't discount him simply because he's a "fringe" candidate with "no shot." Its the ideas that matter, as his voting record shows. He wants people to vote not between the lesser of two evils, but for a person that they can vote for with a clear conscience.

I am just not impressed with Garry Johnson.

I am not one of those people who say Ron Paul or no other. I support liberty candidates. But GJ sounds like a pure politician to me. For me, it is anyone but Romney at this point.

What does a politician sound

What does a politician sound like exactly to you because he sounds like the exact opposite to me.

What sounds to me like a politician is someone who tries to have it both ways on an issue, like say, requesting $400m in earmarks, then voting against them knowing they will all be passed, then saying "I've never voted for earmarks". Or when someone says that "there is no right to privacy, this is a state's rights issue" but oh, wait, SORRY, wrong subject, let me change that to "of course there's a constitutional right to privacy and states can't trample that". Or when you push a flag burning amendment and then vote against it. THAT sounds like a politician to me.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Why shouldn't they?

It's the important direction to go.

As for the Johnson promoters on this site, they are wasting their time.
They could be out trying to get real supporters for themselves, instead of trolling around here in their parasitic manner.

Gary Johnson has never had the liberty message, cannot carry a message that he never had, and is just another LP attempt to nominate a semi-known name from the GOP cast-offs, just like Bob Barr last time.
Apparently, the LP doesn't even want to nominate a libertarian, since it is not doing so, and seems to be making a pattern of that.

Gary Johnson: Live Free

Two-term Governor, Gary Johnson, says both parties are indistinguishable from one another. Both are keeping America broke. Both are keeping America at war. Both have trampled on the Constitution. And both are stooges to the same big money players that never change behind the scenes. It's time to put our differences and our parties aside and come together as a nation for the good of all. We The People are ready to LIVE FREE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2X3QR...

I saw Johnson on Stossel

say, "Ron Paul can't win." Before that I had hoped he would be Ron Paul's running mate. Now I don't trust or like him because he seems to value himself above the revolution.

fiddle dee dee

But at this point, he's

But at this point, he's stating a fact. He can't win at this point, there's no avenue. He has already conceded that he has none.

Would you expect to him to like? Exaggerate? What?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

So is it about the message or about the man ?

Always thought it was about the message.

Writing in Ron Paul means your vote isn't counted. Better to Vote for the most similar candidate, and get them a significant percentage and try to get them on the debate.

It's about...

A man who will be true to the message...

This is my comment on the article:

Romney and his acolytes keep saying he is the nominee believing no doubt in positive thinking. It is like the rooster who believes his crowing causes the sun to rise. However this is a very unique election and the RNC/Romney coalition have misjudged the situation horribly as they were meant to do.

They are now desperately trying to play catch up on their controlled media after ignoring and marginalising the real winner for months. They are trying to regain control of the conversation with their assertions of Romney's invincibility but their efforts are risible.

But this election is not about Romney or even Ron Paul. It is about a small group of powerful men who have controlled the affairs of nations for the past one hundred years causing wars and depressions without batting an eyelid. Their time has ended and their machinations will no longer avail them. Ron Paul happens to be the man chosen to lead the people at this historic moment.

When he is President the actions he will take will begin to set the world free from the domination of this cabal. To do this he needs the support of the People and this support is now growing. By November it will be a crescendo of unimaginable proportions.

As Ron Paul himself has said, "I am not running just to be elected, I am running to change the course of history". He also said, "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any government or any army".

Romney is King Canute. The Ron Paul Revolution is the ocean.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

NONONONO

THE DAMN COWARDS IN THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY!!!

Instead of helping us to retake the GOP and the Republic they hide and live the good life in their party.

Im so disgusted. They must live in another world!

NO ONE BUT PAUL!!!!

Ummm...

The "DAMN COWARDS" in The Libertarian Party were here first. To some extent, they have helped to keep Libertarianism alive for the last 31 years while the Republicans have been starting wars and spending your money.

"hide and live the good life in their party." That's hilarious.

"They must live in another world!" Tsk, tsk. So why don't you check into them so you will know.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

You think you are being brave

You think you are being brave by compromising your ideals to get elected?

Okay.

All you've proven is that politicians don't change the Republican Party, the Republican Party changes politicians.

And, really, how brave is it to write in someone who isn't on the ballot in secret.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

You sir, are an ass.

I'm a libertarian registered as a Libertarian.
I donate to Paul's campaign.
I hop party lines to vote for him in primaries.

I talk everyone's ears off about politics.
When they ask me who I root for I say Ron Paul and explain why.

Hell, I wrote Paul in last cycle rather than vote for the other nuckle heads.

Simply because I choose not to link my good name with the Republican Party on a regular basis, doesn't mean you should get pissy. There are plenty of ex and current democrats/libertarians/what-have-yous who have contributed to the cause regularly. Don't be an ingrate; don't shit on the people want to work with you to accomplish the same goals you want accomplished.

In summary: Grow up.
Sincerely,
dlind

I'm just an angry ass

cause the top guys in the libertarian party are traitors and cowards who deceive the people voting for them. They never had any chance and all effort you put into the Libertarian party is wasted.

This is not against you its against the libertarian party top guys who have a fun time running their very own useless party.. Independents and the republican base wont ever vote in majority for the LP and so they have no chance as this is a REPUBLIC and not a european parliament democracy!

Why cant you link your name with the republican party in first place? Cause the Libertarian partypeople left the republican party to the neocons. Its simple as that.
Maybe it was a good idea to go for a 3rd party back then but when it didnt worked out they should have recognized that and said: "HELL, they are just couch warmongers! Nothing to be afraid of, lets fight them!" -> instead they clinge to their delusional dreams.

Do you see how a small minority can rise to the top if they really do their utmost in the spirit of the founders?
Forget the libertarian party and do your part in taking over the GOP and soon its our party and you can feel good in being republican party registered.

Seems to me you guys just

Seems to me you guys just stole libertarian ideas, watered them down and then fled the scene.

Brave stuff.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Look who's talking

The proud pragmatist accusing others of watering down the libertarian message, what a joke!

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Well, I should have said

Well, I should have said twisted them and put them on their head.

Let's go burn some flags and have Ron Paul arrest us.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

I would have gone with 'braying' ass.

To surmise your position:

Wah wah wah. qq. bleoargh.
New parties can't do anything because they're too small.
Join the Republican Party.
'Do you see how a small minority can rise to the top if they do their utmost...'
qq qq qq qq

I do indeed see how a small minority can rise to the top...
That is why I support RP as he takes on the Republican Party.
That is why I support the Libertarians as they attempt to slay the beast responsible for our state of being every election cycle: the two party system.

I dunno about you but I'm sick of being left bereft of real choices; eternally damned to flip a coin year after year, vainly hoping that it lands 'the lesser of two evils' up. Hence I do what I can to aid and abet alternate parties.

Its a pity that you have trouble applying the abstract concepts which make RPs candidacy so desirable, and the tactics of his campaign so engrossing to other political endeavours.

Now come on, and dry your eyes; you're much prettier when you don't cry.
dlind

PS:
I'll never feel comfortable in the Republican Party. They, like the democrats, have been perfect bastards for the past 20+ years of my 20+ year long life. I'm in this for RP. If his bid fail's I'll pack up and roll on out to whatever party has the next most viable classic liberal candidate.

I will vote Ron Paul or his endorsement

Because I trust him.

The Bob Barr nominating Libertarian Party or Gary Johnson? Not so much.

I doubt Ron Paul would endorse Johnson.

And why don't we quote what the article says on page one:

Ron Paul's biggest supporters have made their intentions clear: Changing the Republican Party from within surpasses any devotion they may have for the Libertarian Party and its presidential candidate, Gary Johnson.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/338165/20120507/ron-paul-sup...

This is Ron Paul's advice, and it's working! We're taking over the GOP!

Because I trust him

The John McCain nominating Republican Party or Mitt Romney? Not so much.

I doubt Ron Paul would endorse Mitt Romney, President Obama, or Virgil Goode.

then better no one

instead of the cowards in the libertarian party who left the GOP for the neocons to take. They are disgusting!!!

No you are. You are a

No you are. You are a partisan hack who puts politics and parties ahead of liberty. You will rot in hell.

At least they are real

At least they are real libertarians.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

I trust his advice

And Ron Paul's advice is to run in the GOP. Not trust the GOP, but become the GOP.

If Ron Paul doesnt win the

If Ron Paul doesnt win the nomination, sure, why not vote Libertarian. However, until that time may or may not come, Dr. Paul is the best chance we have to put someone good in the White House. Gary Johnson is nice and all, but he just doesnt have the support that Paul has. I dont support Paul because I think he will win(aside from his ideals etc), I support him because I think he needs help in winning and has a much better chance than Johnson does.
If Johnson had more support than Paul does, I would probably go with him.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Nope,aint gonna happen

If Ron's not on the ballot,my entire Family will write him again just as we did in 08.

And I am sure you will

And I am sure you will continue to write him in after he dies.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Write-In

Writing in Ron Paul in 08 counted for nothing as he did not file a letter of intent to run as a write-in candidate. Dr. Paul and I had this discussion in 08 after he dropped out. At that time he choose not to follow that cause of action. 2012 may be a different set of circumstances.

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