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Democracy vs. Republic- Most Aren't Taught the Difference

Hello Daily Paulers! This is my first post on the DP and I have recently signed up for an account here. I wanted to share a story with you, as the message of Liberty is so important and spreading like wildfire.

Everywhere I go I spread the word and engage people in conversation about the good Doctor. My daughter is always with me absorbing what I say like a sponge. I couldn't be more proud of my 9 year old.

My daughter came home from school one day and she was a little confused. She said the teacher said we lived in a Democracy. She told me she raised her hand and said that she thought it was a Republic. The teacher said, "No, we live in a democracy." My daughter explained to me that she can prove that we live in a Republic.

I asked her how she did that. She said that she asked the teacher to repeat the Pledge of Allegiance and stopped her at "to the Republic". Her teacher asked her who taught her that and she said my Daddy.

I have to tell you that tears of joy were starting to happen and I was so proud of my little girl.

We now study the Constitution and I have been teaching her critical thinking. (A good site for this is http://www.triviumeducation.com/). In my opinion, because of this my daughter now has a very high IQ.

This video a good way for you to teach your children, and people you run into the difference between a Democracy and a Republic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qszo8u1m9ZQ

Thank you for reading this post. Thank you ALL for fighting to save this Republic. No one but Paul 2012!




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"the conservative

"the conservative right/libertarians/tea party/whatevers thinks that american democracy would be better if everyone was free"

A comment on NPR this morning under a blog about Lugar. This person got 11 likes. It is out in the open people. People have fully integrated democracy and now think freedom is the enemy.

THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THE TWO

Is very simple:In a democracy if 51% say the other 49% die,they die.In a republic,both the majority and the minority are protected.

Some see things as they are and say why,but i dream things that never were and say why not. Robert F. Kennedy

Bingo!

Bingo!

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

When I was in public schools

When I was in public schools a few years ago, I learned the difference. Its just that in much of "public" language, you get people interchanging the two. Why is this? Probably has to do with the fact that many people simply forget alot of their schooling once they leave.
I minored in physics in college. I told this to someone and they asked me what physics was. I was taken aback and she said it had been a long time since she was in school. After I simply said that it was study of the physical world(as a short to the point definition that really needs more expanding on but is understandable to anyone), she said she felt dumb.

As to the topic at hand. The simplest way to think of the difference between the two is that:
Democracy: the people vote on everything directly, from laws to anything else
Republic: the people vote for representatives that make the laws and anythings else

Obviously, you can go more indepth than this, but this would be the simplest and easiest to understand for anyone.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Our system of government was

Our system of government was never intended to be a democracy. Although many believe that we live in one, they have never been asked to vote on the decisions made by said government. Yet they believe that they are empowered just the same. We are not.

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

republic

A republic places limits on what is allowed to be voted on. In a republic the government has only the powers listed in the constitution, therefore if people vote for socialism, the government is powerless to enforce it.

The trouble is that, in a republic, the government has a monopoly on interpretation of the law and constitution. The incentive is to interpret the law in a way which grants the government more power and in a way which limits our rights.

So what's the solution?

You described a Democracy...

In a Republic, for the purpose of establishing constitutionally limited government, is designed to put into practice the principle of the Declaration of Independence: that the people form their governments and grant to them only "just powers," limited powers, in order primarily to secure (to make and keep secure) their God-given, unalienable rights. The American philosophy and system of government thus bar equally the "snob-rule" of a governing Elite and the "mob-rule" of an Omnipotent Majority. This is designed, above all else, to preclude the existence in America of any governmental power capable of being misused so as to violate The Individual’s rights--to endanger the people’s liberties.

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

The American philosophy and

The American philosophy and system of government thus bar equally the "snob-rule" of a governing Elite and the "mob-rule" of an Omnipotent Majority. This is designed, above all else, to preclude the existence in America of any governmental power capable of being misused so as to violate The Individual’s rights--to endanger the people’s liberties.

Only under the circumstances that the "people" acknowledge and dutifully utilize their responsibility to maintain the Republic; as is the case now, the people have failed to live-up to their civic responsibilities to maintain the "Republic." This is why Ben Franklin -stated to the woman outside Independence Hall, in response to her question as to what form of government he has given them- said, "A Republic, if you can keep it." We do not have a Democracy, but nor do we have an operational Republic; we have an Oligarchy, with the pretenses of a Republic -for the purposes of fooling the naive electorate into believing that nothing has changed.

republic ---> oligarchy

How did the original republic become an oligarchy?

I propose that it's because the government has a monopoly on the interpretation of the law. The incentive is to interpret their delegated powers more and more broadly and our rights narrowly.

They are empowered to act on their incentive because they are given a coercive monopoly on law. (See Marbury v. Madison - Judicial Review).

When the monopoly holders (the government) claim that a socialist law is constitutional because of the General Welfare Clause -- they get the final say -- you don't.

But it is you, the person who believes in a republic -- it is you, the person who thinks that it's okay to grant one institution a coercive monopoly -- that created this monster.

Can't argue with that!

Well done!

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

Actually...

Actually, they're both right. We live in a democratic republic. They're not mutually exclusive. A republic is a type of government while democracy is an electoral system. We democratically elect our representatives to our republic.

Alright

Ideally, that is.

I hear where you are coming from.... but

ok....

It is important to keep in mind the difference between a Democracy and a Republic, as dissimilar forms of government. Understanding the difference is essential to comprehension of the fundamentals involved. It should be noted, in passing, that use of the word Democracy as meaning merely the popular type of government--that is, featuring genuinely free elections by the people periodically--is not helpful in discussing, as here, the difference between alternative and dissimilar forms of a popular government: a Democracy versus a Republic. This double meaning of Democracy--a popular-type government in general, as well as a specific form of popular government needs to be made clear in any discussion, or writing, regarding this subject, for the sake of sound understanding.

In Liberty,

RP_Matrixxx

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

Both are correct

It is still correct to say that we live in a democracy because it involves free and fair voting. The difference is we vote for representatives. In a traditional democracy, the people would vote for every piece of legislation; every issue is handled democratically. We surrender our political liberty to our representatives and allow them to use our influence in government and vote on legislation on our behalf. So, yes, both are correct.

Free and Fair Voting?

You are kidding right?

You are correct that we have been fooled into this vile form of government called a Democracy. However,Democracy, as a form of government, is utterly repugnant to--is the very antithesis of--the traditional American system: that of a Republic, and its underlying philosophy, as expressed in essence in the Declaration of Independence with primary emphasis upon the people’s forming their government so as to permit them to possess only "just powers" (limited powers) in order to make and keep secure the God-given, unalienable rights of each and every Individual and therefore of all groups of Individuals.

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

I'm not exactly sure what

I'm not exactly sure what your point is. Are you claiming that democracy is opposite of the American Republic? Or are you saying that we don't have free and fair elections? It is democracy that allows "the people's forming their government." And our form of government is a republic. Pure democracy does not work and is not a desirable form of government, at least with the size of the population we have. If every issue were voted on democratically, the majority would have the ability to oppress the minority and no progress could be made. But that does not mean that we don't have a democratic republic. Our elections are democratic. Our government is a republic. Plain and simple.

Yes

but the government is not a republic. A republic never had international bankers controlling the strings. No case law and the individual was at the top of the pecking order. We live in a Mob Rule (Dems Cracy) system. And the Mob really is the Mob. lol

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

Theoretically

Of course, everything I'm saying is theoretical. Obviously, schools aren't going to teach children how corrupt our system is, at least not public schools, as it would be against their interests.

Do We?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JESZiLpBLE

nuff said.

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

there is no difference

it's naive to think that any kind of state just organized differently is gonna make a difference.

huh?

Please explain your comment in further detail. Not sure if you understand what liberty is. Please correct me if I am wrong.

In Liberty,

RP_Matrixxx

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

what's there to explain?

both tax people, taxation is theft. read Franz Oppenheimer's origins of the state the government, all governments originated as a band of marauders exacting TRIBUTE/tax from their captives.

Taxes?

States tax... not federal government. The buildings in Washington were built before any federal income tax. End the IRS. ;)

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

Proud brother

That's my brother and my niece! So proud of them BOTH.

awwwww

Thank you Bro!

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

What's really going to make you proud is when she asks why

we stand and recite words penned by a socialist that pledge allegiance to a government and its symbols.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/whats-conservati...

New here...

with an account been lurking for years! Question, how do you embed the video? I looked at the help page but it did not say.

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

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I believe the Mods decide which videos will be

embedded; every day there are so many links to choose from. Partly it's chance, and partly forum support to catch the attention of the Mods.

You are doing great work educating your daughter to live as a knowledgeable, logical, good communicator. Preparing children to live in a free world is among our most important works.

Thank you

and thank you so much!

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

Excellent Video!

It disgusts me everytime I hear Obama talk about our democracy. Clearly what we are doing by "spreading democracy" throughout the world is just spreading evil.