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Does anyone truly understand the rules of bound and unbound delegates?

Does anyone here truly understand the rules of bound and unbound delegates?

I hear many people say that if Romney doesn't win the first ballot, then Ron Paul has the chance to win instead.

But if delegates cannot abstain and bound delegates have to vote for Romney regardless of their preference for Ron Paul, then how would they make Romney lose the first ballot and have more voting rounds?

The Paul campaign said that they would follow the rules in voting in the first round without abstaining. But how can they win, if the bound delegates have to vote for Romney.

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i dont care

I dont care if people on the dailypaul know whats up with the whole bound/ abstain thing. Our delegates are better prepared than theirs. I think we should trust the campaign. But of course i dont downvote threads about it because you know that the romneytrolls are lurking so its good that they see our confusion over here at the unofficial braintrust that is dailypaul. I dont even care that Romneyttrolls are here either flaming or spreading disinformation...

There is nothing they can do to stop an idea whose time has come - i dont care who promised romney the nomination in 2008. We the people will decide this one ourselves.

Besides, Romney will not have 1144 anyway... dont jump to conclusions, this is the revolution.

another question

why are Rick Santorum and Newt still on the ballots in Indiana, North Carolina, and West Virginia if they "suspended" their campaigns - and i suppose what is the meaning of "suspension" - can they still get delegates?

there is no left or right, only system and anti-system.

Brunce said it himself,

We will follow the rules for the primaries and caucuses but we have no control or say in what delegates do at the national level.

Read between the lines, fair and square all the way.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

How is voting conducted in

How is voting conducted in detail?

It cannot be secret voting, because then it would be impossible to impose rules on bound delegates. So each delegate gets a paper slip with his own name pre-printed on. And the names "Paul" and "Romney". And those who draw their cross at the "wrong" name because they are "bound", are to be thrown out for "breaking the rules"?

Or is the cross pre-printed next to the "right" candidate's name as well? Then why should bound delegates at all be present at the first round? It's ridiculous!

Of course delegates are free to vote as they wish. If there are state "rules" restricting the authority of their delegates, and the state thinks that these authorities have been over reached, then that's an issue between the state and each delegate to deal with after Tampa is over.

heres my question: what about

heres my question: what about all the supporters of the other "anti-Romney" candidates, speaking mainly of Santorum - do they have any delegates and would they be able to vote for Paul as the only remaining guy? If Paul can pull a miracle off and continue his momentum getting delegates, especially with victories in Cali and Texas, is it mathematically possible for him to equal or surpass Romney in delegates? Was there a rule in all or certain states whereby delegates had to be appointed proportionate to the primary/caucus winners percentage - obviously there couldn't be otherwise Paul wouldn't have been able to beat Romney in delegate counts despite his win in the straw poll beauty contest.

there is no left or right, only system and anti-system.

They CAN abstain!

They CAN abstain!

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

You have to consider....

...what the blowback would be from trying to abstain on the 1st ballot. If we did this, and then nominated Paul on the 2nd ballot, can you imagine what the MSM would say? They'd be screaming at the masses non-stop for months on end about how Ron Paul and his radicals hijacked the democratic process. We might win the nomination through abstention on the 1st ballot, but we could very well lose the battle for hearts and minds. I think the campaign understands this, hence the comments recently about accepting the rules on bound delegates for the first round.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

This is a REPUBLIC

If msm and the masses scream months on end, then maybe the next time they will learn and become active in the political process of which they know little about. THIS is STILL a REPUBLIC!

If it is within the rules to abstain, then so be it.

Ron Paul to the end.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Use your own frame for discussion

As opposed to the radicals of the Mormon cult hijacking the GOP party?

There is still all summer to the convention, but I expect people to get more and more unhappy as they see all the spots being taken over by Mormons in the GOP, and then as suggested by Romney, the VP is a mormon as well.

You don't have to keep accepting someone elses spin as the frame of the debate, especially when it's dead wrong. Use your own frame.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

But if Romney has 1144 votes

But if Romney has 1144 votes on the first round, he would win because of the bound delegates, even if half those delegates were actually RP supporters.

Since the campaign doesn't encourage abstaining, the problem of bound delegates voting for the candidate they are bound is difficult to overcome.

Exactly. Either there needs

Exactly. Either there needs to be a vote to unbind all delegates once in Tampa, or RP supporters must abstain, or.......i'm missing something. if i am, please tell me what i'm missing.

IF we lose because of this

IF we lose because of this there will be blowback on our end
after all the hard work that people all over the country and world have put into this

This is a Republic and THIS is why!!!

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

I know that they can abstain.

I know that they can abstain. But I have read reports and interviews from Ron Paul and delegate leaders, that they will follow the rules of the convention and vote within the rules.

The choice to abstain is something that could be bad, but I dont see any other way for RP to beat Romney at the convention if the bound delegates have to vote for Romney no matter what.


someone knows, but it ain't me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


btw, i basically asked this question a couple times on here and i'm still not sure.