There May beTwo Reasons Ron Paul is Not Doing Better Than 4th or 5th.
Submitted by cactus1010 on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 21:37
One we have a country filled with ignorant morons or two the votes are not being counted correctly.
I prefer to believe the latter. Because if it's not, than our country is truly lost, due to the fact that you will never be able to reason with ignorance. They always think they are right, even if the world around them are crumbling.
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Absolutely vote fraud
So all those people donated MONEY to a presidential campaign in NH then just decided they couldn't be bothered to go to the polls today? Didn't we get most of our donations per capita there? Anyone know how many meet up members are in NH? It wouldn't be proof in a court but finding out would at least tell us something is rotten and we should support the efforts of the people trying to prevent voter fraud.
People, voter fraud in America is NOT conspiracy theory. It has been documented and people are in prison right now for their parts in the 2004 election rigging.
That is not to say
That is not to say we should not be canvassing door to door being friendly, positive and professional. We can always use more people -- the more we have, the harder for them to cheat. As I understand it, in America the rigging is by just a few percentage points. Just enough to put Paul in 4th or 5th instead of 3rd.
I mean, get real. Our man is threatening to abolish the FED. THE BANKS. You think they play fair? And it's been proven they can easily corrupt the machines.
Sorry, back on my fraud rant.
Anyway, yeah. Anything we can do to draw more people in we should be doubling our efforts. And enough of the berating Fox news d-bags on -- it makes us look like friggin' lunatics. Even some of our rallies, as great as they've been, I'm sure come across as a circus to a lot of people.
Get serious. Place local newspaper adds, put a bumper sticker on your car and be a courteous driver, go door-to-door with slim jims and be friendly.
That is not to say
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Any Guess
Does anyone have any idea how many people work in government vs the private sector? Once the balance tips past 50 percent in favor of govt. employees, its all over. I have several friends who recently got jobs in government at various levels and it seems to me these will be the only jobs left.
not necessarily
my friend works for the post office and we joke about how he may be out of work if Ron Paul gets elected. (Legalize competition!) He is a die-hard supporter and has been for years.
Politicians sell their souls for a paycheck - but your neighbors may be more principled than them, and than you might expect.
We just need to open their eyes!
All over
I'm pretty sure that Jim Willie has reported that over 50% of Americans are either directly employed by the government or primarily contract FOR the government for most of their work. Yup....it's all over.
"Luctor et Emergo" - Struggle and Emerge
This is why we must keep the
This is why we must keep the $$ coming into the campaign!!!
Other will drop out because they are broke. Imagine RP in a debate with only three others!! Maybe two others!!!! This is what we'll get if we keep supporting him!!!!
C'mon people, don't be discouraged. That's exactly what "THEY" want us to be!!!!
sadly there is proof of the first one but not of the second one.
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Option 3: We focussed on war, not serious lost civil liberties
None of those so-called "morons" who voted for McCain knew that McCain voted for IMBRA, which forces Americans to be background checked before being allowed to say hello to foreigners online.
Why?
Because, especially since nobody echoed my concern for these kinds of laws on Daily Paul, the HQ was apparently too frightened to discuss Internet regulation...fearing that New Hampshire residents would side with McCain in his battle to stop American men for being all sex offenders until proven otherwise.
But the only way to get through on our loss of civil liberties is to expose all the laws that assume American men are sex offenders until proven otherwise.
This is not just some minor point. Nobody cares about laws designed to stop actual terrorists. I live in Europe and, when I call my parents in the USA, we expect that several nations are wiretapping us passively (but not forcing us to have background checks in order to talk).
So while HQ apparently considered this Neocon preoccupation with hating American men was "too hot to handle" or "not something too many people are concerned about", HQ thought it was "safe" to say that the US needed to close its huge air base in Germany and project no more power around the world (an extremely, extremely radical position - seriously).
As a result, there seemed to be no serious message of "We have seriously lost civil rights at home and here is a list of them".
Hugh Hewitt hit the nail on the head when he started interviewing Ron Paul supporters asking "What civil liberties have you really been losing that really affects your life"?
Most Ron Paul supporters cannot answer that question.
At least neither they nor HQ will discuss the issue (instead they think they have to mimic the McGovern campaign of 1972):
And we are calling the public morons? We are not morons either, but we are a confused bunch for not stressing actual loss of civil liberties as the main issue.
Does anyone realize how "I will destroy the IRS and replace it with nothing" sounds to people who listen to the MSM? You cannot be so blunt. You have to say "Replace it temporarily with a flat tax"...showing that you know how to compromise at least temporarily.
By far the last message that was needed to place well was "I will deconstruct the military and use the funds to pay for health care." This is considered to be the most left wing position possible. It shrieks of McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis.
Furthermore, the "youths" who harrassed Luntz and Hannity in the last news cycle failed to identify themselves as Republicans, thus giving the impression that they were left wing anarchists
Hair cuts would have helped for some of them. Hippies were left wing in the 60s. It won't work in 2008 to go that route. Believe me.
Now let's recount those votes. Then let's see HQ expose McCain's voting record.
Clearly more people are
Clearly more people are willing to sacrifice the amorphous notion of 'personal liberties' for 'personal security'. What's the appeal of Ron Paul for that crowd?
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
But IMBRA is about "protecting foreign women" from American men
The American male population would definitely go into shock if at least one prominent politician (Ron Paul) told them for the FIRST TIME that a law like IMBRA exists that does not seek to protect Americans from terrorists, but seeks to protect foreign women from American men.
Keep in mind that we are talking about you and me, people who cannot be suspected of having criminal records, being forced to have background checks in order to just say hello to a foreigner.
A Republican judge declared "There is no fundamental liberty interest in an American contacting a foreigner" to uphold this law (until someone in the US finally challenges it again),
But nobody with any public standing has spoken out about this and the MSM will not report about IMBRA except to whitewash it as a good law that requires "disclosure of criminal histories of prospective American husbands for mail order brides" (translation: background checks for innocent Americans who only want to say hello on a dating site to foreigners - there is no such thing as a mail order bride).
If Ron Paul cannot expose lots of laws like this, but insists on just being George McGovern redux, he will get 5% in the general election as a 3rd Party candidate.
I am beginning to wonder......
if Ron Paul needs a new campaign manager to spiff up his image. I loved his speech on C-SPAN. He is inspiring, but perhaps he should start accenting the positive and eliminate the negative for a change.
Also there have been suggestions that the Ron Paul Meet Up Groups should take out small ads in their local newspapers on Ron Paul. These ads reach thousands of people - more than we could cover otherwise. RP won Jefferson County in Iowa because they took out newspaper ads and would change them weekly. Worked for Ron Paul there!
ignorance
My vote is for "ignorance."
The controversy over Lincoln is a perfect example. The man was indeed a "monster," yet how many New Hampshire voters would agree, or are even aware there's a controversy in the first place?
We have been indoctrinated so thoroughly, and for so long, a rapid awakening is almost unthinkable.
"As long as the Matrix exists, the human race will never be free." - Morpheus, from The Matrix
"As long as the Matrix exists, the human race will never be free." - Morpheus, from The Matrix
From exit polls
" Exit polls found 64 percent of Tuesday's Republican voters still support the conflict (Iraq) -- and Romney, whose criticism of President Bush's management of the war has been muted, outpolled McCain in that category.
But among the 34 percent who said they disapproved of the war, McCain had a wide advantage over the GOP field -- even over Texas Rep. Ron Paul, the sole advocate of a U.S. withdrawal in the Republican field. "
If Ron Paul cannot get more of the anti Iraq people than McCain then we are in trouble. Lets face it most Republicans like war and big government. The Republican party is a lost cause.
I agree with McCain on the war, but McCain belongs in prison
Our problem is that we connect the Iraq War with big government.
That might be logical but I personally see a difference.
Obviously, so do most of my fellow Republicans.
What these morons in NH did not know, BECAUSE WE DID NOT TELL THEM, was that they have seriously lost civil liberties at home, many of them dealing with Internet regulation.
We did not tell them that McCain is a Democrat in the Senate. We allowed the MSM to paint McCain as a war hero who was supposedly a conservative.
Hunter
is Hurting us. I think that is why he is still in the race. he is seen as a true conservative.
That and people don't like cults. Ron Paul supporters are portrayed as cult members.
Some of it warranted, most of it not
Also, keep in mind that as
Also, keep in mind that as Hunter and Thompson drop out, their supporters will probably endorse McBain, not Paul. Paul stands alone as a singular candidate, all of the other Republicans are pretenders.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
Are you serious?
How is a guy who can't muster 1% hurting anyone???
That 1%
That 1% would have put us ahead of Rudy.
Neither - the campaign's image turns people off
NH voters are the most politically involved in the country. They are the best we've got. But the majority were unimpressed by Dr. Paul's style. We may love him, but he does not inspire confidence in many people.
Image is very important: Take the NH after-party speech - Dr. Paul had several minutes of CNN live coverage and what did we hear? A call to abolish the Fed and the crowd chanting "Ban the Fed!" After CNN cut away I saw him deliver some compelling lines on C-SPAN - but why weren't those delivered when the national cameras were rolling? Where was the polished speech they had weeks/months to prepare? Adding to the image problem: a cheap hotel backdrop and sign (above the camera frame) and no supporters surrounding him. His wonderful family was off camera. These things matter! Image that most viewers took away?: lonely and low-budget fringe candidate with an inscrutable message and some loud supporters.
That speech earned exactly zero new votes in Nevada, SC, and Michigan.
I love Dr. Paul's message, but if the campaign and the candidate don't understand that their image problem compels people to tune them out, they will not expand our national base, which polls (do we believe them now?) show to be 4%.
It does make you wonder.
How Hillary and Obama and others can get a gymnasium with bleachers set up behind them with a wide array of people behind them cheering, yet we have a conference center at the Holiday Inn. It would seem to me that some money would be well spent on renting a decent place where we could use the MSM to muster/broadcast real excitement.
www.ronpaullibrary.org
Where is the Rudy Library and the Mitt Library. Has anyone found them? Do we even know if they can write?
I gotta be with this too
You cannot dismiss a need for image in choosing a President. No, we obviously don't want someone with all style and no substance (sorry, I think of Obama as that), but if they look inept. are you kidding? It's the gd presidency of the United States.
The campaign is simply over its head, uncreative and in need of immediate overhaul or you can forget any expansion of interest in our candidate. Period. But it's really up to Dr. Paul to see that, bite the bullet on his loyalty to his friends currently running things and turn it around.
Also, mob like behavior by certain elements in this campaign scares people...it SCARES them. That is not how one attracts voters, sorry.
Dr. Paul's message is getting lost amid the noise of the theater. Again, though, the campaign has miserably failed to work with all the energy these spontaneous folks bring.....it can be harnessed effectively and it is not.
You response, while probably
You response, while probably correct falls under category 1: the people are morons. Anyone basing their vote on any other than substance is a moron, plain and simple.
Welcome to democracy
Everyone's a moron except for you. Unfortunately you have to get them to support your candidate.
It's The SURGE, stupid
It's 'working'. Bush is vindicated! America wants to WIN!
It's The Economy Stupid!
Instead of focusing on the oncoming financial crises, the campaign was busy with anchor babies. If the campaign focues on the Tancredo voters, it will get the Tancredo numbers. They have stifled The Message.
3rd reason
Some of the stupid stunts some of Dr. Paul's supporters pulled this week.
Beware of Stupid People in Large Greoups!
The United States of America is no more. We as a nation have become to d*mn stupid for representative government. It is that simple. No vote fraud, no irregularities. People have voted for their slave masters, their tyrants. They deserve the government they get.
E-voting machines are NOT
E-voting machines are NOT transparent. Paper ballots and observers watching the count and taking photos of the count sheets BEFORE they are called in to some secret "middleman" tabulation service and then put on some stupid pie chart on CNN. Now that TRANSPARENT process would leave little room for questioning the gosh darn results!!
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