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Stop looking at the primary, that isn't what really matters here. Ron Paul is not losing.

We have been through this, forget the primaries (straw polls). Winning delegates at the convention is all that matters, if you have been paying attention.

Forget the media when they say Romney has this locked up and forget what they are reporting as the delegate count.

The delegates decide the nominee folks, and we are winning the majority of delegates all over the country.

The media wants everyone to believe that Romney has the nomination locked up to try and discourage people from getting to their conventions. The problem is that this has a negative effect on Romney rather than Ron Paul. We are motivated. Romney's people aren't.

Ask yourselves, if Romney has this locked up then why the need to send lawyers to Nevada or to challange delegates in Maine and other places? The reason is he knows he has not locked up a damn thing and the establishment is running scared.

Stay focused there is still lots of work to be done and delegates to win, let's show these bastards that we will not go quietly in the night but we the people are here to take our country back and declare our independence.



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not one size fits all

It's inaccurate to say or suggest primaries don't matter.

In some places, yes, but in others, they matter a whole lot.

For example, one can't ignore the California primary and expect magically to win the majority of delegates.

Kill list?

What is he going to do with this information? kill them all? That wont work because we own the alternates..

a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat

oops wrong thread

oops wrong thread

a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat

awesome

screw the GOP. Take their convention, take their party. Enough is enough with these narcissist and the sheep that follow them.

Repeating and Expecting

This mirror post was created by me after the last primary in which we did not win the straw votes. Around and round we go. FIGHT ON!!

http://www.dailypaul.com/228722/repeating-insanity-stay-focu...

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." -Benjamin Franklin

Little Elm, Tx

We Need a Revolt at the National Convention

Rule 38 or no Rule 38 if we command a large percentage of delegates in Tampa we cannot afford to hope for a 2nd ballot. The rules are set by those in attendance and if we have a huge presence we won't be ignored. We may even have a majority.

I just can't fathom the wasted opportunity if Ron Paul supporters vote Romney 1st round and he secures the needed delegates. We have the gun in our hand and can't be afraid to use it. We very likely may have only one shot at this. Like it or not the media WILL say that Romney has 1144 delegates at the time of the convention.

We Need a Revolt at the National Convention

sorry, dupe removed

You are so right! The

You are so right!

The mainstream media said American troops would be out of Iraq in 6 months while Ron Paul was saying the plans and desire was no less than six years plus policing the world was also in the books back in 98. The Iraq war was fed to the sleeping public and accepted, now the public are awake and do question their wannabe slave masters! They won't get away with it anymore! Even Romney knows his support is no where good enough! when the general election comes around Ron Paul will be the man that beats Obama simple as that!

As a believer I pray for victory and believe we have won.

In the run-up to the April 24 elections I engaged in specific prayer for these primaries. I was sure that we would see a turnaround in the votes because I had been shown that after April 3 the tide would be turning in our favour. I was therefore extremely disappointed when the polls turned out pretty much the same low numbers as before.

I therefore prayed and asked why this was the case since it is important for me to understand the mind of the Spirit in all things. He then told me that the battles would be won in the delegate votes not in the straw poll votes.

Since that time we have had one victory after another and I have begun to see the fear in the hearts of the opposition. In fact since April 3 I believe we have won every delegate contest. There is a reason for this and I will be explaining it in a post at a later date.

"Do not be afraid of the king of Babylon whom you now fear. Do not be afraid of him because I will be with you to save you and to rescue you from his power. I, the Lord, affirm it! " (Jeremiah 42:11)

["Babylon" is today a symbol for the powers against which we are fighting.]

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

sorry but we are not winning,

sorry but we are not winning, we migth do way better than media is saying, but that doesn't change our sittuation much.

http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/

ron paul 192, romney 703

it's sad but it's better to face reality, only once we do that can we move forward.

Well, if we weren't winning,

Well, if we weren't winning, then the establishment wouldn't be so worried. You wanna know how it works? DELEGATES!

States still aren't finished counting delegates, we grab as many delegates as possible in the primary states and we also have our "shadow" delegates in Romney's camp. So here's how it goes. We get to Tampa, Romney doesn't have the required delegates, all the delegates become unbound on the second ballot, a final push from our delegates help persuade Santorum, Gingrich and Romney delegates to go over to Ron Paul, WE WIN! We will not be challenged on legal grounds because we play by the rules.

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government." - Thomas Paine

(╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯┻━┻ "RON PAUL 2012 DAMNIT!"

LMFAO, You have made one post

LMFAO, You have made one post in your entire 12 weeks here talking about WE LOST!, Go back to papa Romney and tell him I personally said to Fuck off because we the people are not going away.

Everyone DOWNVOTE his comment.

Please Stop

Stop with the assumptions that "registration" with the DailyPaul is somehow the litmus test of a persons dedication to the cause and their support of Ron Paul. It's foolish. Also cursing is childish and won't win any converts. If that really was someone on the fence you just pushed them away.

We are actually winning big,

We are actually winning big, I don't care about polls and straw-polls, counting delegates have just started, if you want the real count then start counting now.

It is About Both Delegates and Honest Voting

There are both some encouraging and scary elements. There is so much to do. There has been wonderful help, but still today I saw comments from people who went to vote and didn't know their slate etc.. It is clear that the vote is being stolen. We need to put more emphasis on this! Even if we can win Tampa there is no practice before November and that is not delegates. We need to fix and practice on the voting before the last big two - TX and CA. It is 3 weeks to TX! Get busy!

I believe this is called “blowback”

The media has painted themselves in a corner. If they continue the “presumptive nominee” agenda Romney supporters go to sleep thinking it is in the bag. If the media says it isn't in the bag they help us and Ron Paul. The blackout has helped as well because people don't trust the media and don't listen to the nightly news.

However

Sadly a lot of people still believe the garbage MSM feeds them
I was just talking with someone who said well, this sucks it looks like its going to come down to Romney v Obama and i hate them both, i said what about Ron Paul, And they said oh he is still in the race? isn't he running as a 3rd party? I was like wtf no he is running for republican

Is this really true, though?

Is this really true, though? According to the most recent rules published by the Republican Party of Texas (RPT), I do not think that this is true. See Rule No. 38 on page 21 (http://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2011RPT...):

"... the delegates and alternates to the National Convention for that year shall be selected and elected, in the manner and at the times set forth in this Rule."

For the "Election of District Delegates and Alternates at State Convention", it says:

"Each Congressional District shall meet and shall elect three delegates and three alternates.
Elections of delegates and alternates shall be from persons nominated from the floor at the said
meeting, provided however, that said nominee agrees to adhere to the pledge in the candidate
commitment requirements under Section 10 hereof."

For the "Election of At-Large Delegates and Alternates at State Convention", it says:

"The at-large delegates and
alternates shall also be bound by the pledge provisions of section 10 of this Rule. At-large
delegates and alternates nominated and elected from Texas in accordance with this Rule shall be
certified as the delegates and alternates from Texas in accordance with The Rules of the
Republican Party for the National Convention."

Moving onto Section 10, it says (note that the state convention is after the primary):

"Commitment to Candidate: In the event a presidential primary is held prior to the State
Convention, the SREC will conduct a canvass of the presidential primary no later than Noon the
Saturday of the State Convention. Following the canvass of the presidential primary by the
SREC, the National Nominations Committee shall, in a manner directly proportional to the
statewide presidential vote, as well as the presidential vote by congressional district, if possible,
assign each delegate to represent a Presidential candidate (or uncommitted), and upon that
assignment each delegate and alternate representing a Presidential candidate becomes pledged to
the Presidential candidate on whose slate the delegate and alternate is nominated in accordance
with subsection b of this section."

and

"Commitment to Candidate: In the event a presidential primary is held prior to the State
Convention, the SREC will conduct a canvass of the presidential primary no later than Noon the
Saturday of the State Convention. Following the canvass of the presidential primary by the
SREC, the National Nominations Committee shall, in a manner directly proportional to the
statewide presidential vote, as well as the presidential vote by congressional district, if possible,
assign each delegate to represent a Presidential candidate (or uncommitted), and upon that
assignment each delegate and alternate representing a Presidential candidate becomes pledged to
the Presidential candidate on whose slate the delegate and alternate is nominated in accordance
with subsection b of this section."

and

"Uncommitted Delegates: Uncommitted delegates and alternates may vote as they choose on all
questions and candidates presented at the National Convention."

With that said, it seems pretty clear that the delegates are bound according to the vote totals from the primary for the first round, but not for the second round. That means we have to get to a second round, which is going to be very difficult (especially considering the results today, along with polls I've seen for the remaining states).

And you are a member of 2

And you are a member of 2 entire weeks here made only 5 comments and ZERO posts and every fucking one of your comments are negative.

Like I said above to the other new member go tell Romney to Fuck off we the people are not going away.

You need to take a valium

Or take a couple of deep bong rips to take the edge off. Relax man

My comments aren't negative,

My comments aren't negative, they are realistic. I have been a Ron Paul supporter since 2007 and have been reading this website for several years. I have contributed to other Ron Paul associated websites (I was a blogger for YAL for a year or two). I have also written several libertarian articles that have been published in the newspaper. And, I've personally converted over 10 people to our movement in the past few years.

To be honest, to come in guns blazing on me with all of the negative insinuations is a bit ridiculous and disrespectful. You have no idea who I am, or any idea about the contributions I have made to the revolution over the past five years. The reason I have zero posts is because I have been in Australia for the past 9 months, and it's also the reason I became a member of this website (to stay up to date and maybe to write a post or two about how the people where I live now seem very receptive to Ron Paul).

The problem I have is when I see people posting information, without facts to back it up, that could damage the campaign in the long run. Have you seen me complaining about our victories in other states? No, because accurate information is available that confirms that the delegates will be able to vote for Paul in the first round.

I have looked at ALL 5

I have looked at ALL 5 comments you have ever made here, you agree with every post that says RON PAUL can't win and Romney will be the nominee.

You have your propaganda cough, I mean facts WRONG.

Answer these 3 very simple questions :

# 1 : How does someone become the presedential nominee for the republican party?

# 2 : When and where does that person become declared the nominee?

# 3 : Explain actual delegate vs virtual delegate.

#1: By getting 1144 delegates

#1: By getting 1144 delegates to vote for them at the national convention
#2: The national convention
#3: I would consider an actual delegate to be someone who is pledged to support a candidate and is able to vote for that candidate in the first round. Really, I wouldn't like to call them actual delegates because I think there are probably a lot of people (based on the reports I have read) that are Ron Paul supporters who will be forced to vote for Mitt Romney on the first ballot. I know this is not true for every state (e.g., Iowa), but for some states, even if the delegates are Ron Paul supporters, they will still be forced to vote according to the primary results (unless if it is a caucus state, etc). I know Mitt Romney has quite a few virtual delegates (e.g., media gave him a bunch of delegates from caucus states that he didn't actually win), but if you look at a lot of the state rules (e.g., Texas), my opinion is that for a lot of states, these delegates will be bound to Mitt Romney in the first round, even if they are Ron Paul supporters.

Great, now you have just

Great, now you have just answered what are actaul facts. You wanted facts and you have them.

Yes, I'm aware of the facts.

Yes, I'm aware of the facts. But, I'm also aware that the facts aren't exactly what we want them to be, namely that there are many delegates who will be forced to vote for Romney in the first round (even if they prefer Paul). The rules for every state convention are published and the rules for the national convention are published. For my state, according to the rules, it appears as if this is the case. Nobody has challenged this assertion in a meaningful way.

My opinion is that if we want to win, we have to get to a second round of voting. And, I have made the point before that if we want to get to a second round of voting, we need to win California and perform extremely well in Texas.

Those are rules on state

Those are rules on state level. It doesn't follow that the RNC can replace delegates because they think they break those rules. I think that the delegates' votes on the convention will count, whatever they are. (That's why there are delegates, and not pieces of papers!) Any conflict with state level rules is a matter for the delegate and his state organization to deal with afterwards.

And as you note yourself, section 10 is about the case when delegates are elected BEFORE the primary. I'd say there's room for interpretation!

Okay, if that is the case,

Okay, if that is the case, then that is fantastic, but it would be nice to see some proof (e.g., links, quotations from rules). Clarification is important.

I don't know if you've read the RNC rules from 2008, but here are a few relevant quotations.

As far as the 'before' and 'after' the primary question, according to the rules I posted in my previous comment, the delegates are still apportioned according to the results of the primary (it doesn't matter if it is 'before' and 'after'). To me, what this means is that delegates could become unbound if the delegate totals are different from the primary results, and then rebound after the primary results (according to the primary results).

Here is the link to the rules from 2008: http://www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf

My interpretation of these rules is that the delegates in Texas will only become unbound in the second round of voting. This is based on my reading of Rules 15 and 16. If anybody would like to have a discussion on whether or not they think delegates from Texas can vote for whoever they want to (go Ron Paul) on the first round, then I'd be happy to do so (within the context of the available rules).

To the point

Let me rephrase succinctly:
Those rule say that state conventions may bind some of the delegates. They do not say that delegates on the national convention must respect being bound.

Not laws of nature

One can raise several issues about the rules. I'm a libertarian, I don't like rules :-) And there are several ways to challenge almost any rule.

First of all, they seem to be rules about what the state conventions may and must do. State conventions may bind delegates. It doesn't say, I think, directly what the individual delegates must do.

Second, what do the rules say about how they are to be enforced? Do they describe that the chairman of the national convention may kick out delegates who vote against their state's rules about being bound?

Third, the entire state of Florida, for example, obviously broke rule 15. Will all those delegates be refused to participate in the national convention? No, they sorted it out some other way, by halfing the number of delegates allocated to Florida. It goes to show that being expelled from the convention is not necessarily the consequence of breaking these very rules. Instead, the consequence could be that states whose delegates do not vote according to the rules, will be punished by having fewer delegates four years from now.

Four, will it be technically obvious which delegate votes for what candidate during the convention? Will the voting slips carry the name of the individual delegate, or how does it work? Normally, voting is secret. Is it at all possible to identify who breaks the rules about being a bound delegate?

Finally, the hullabaloo of having delegates kicked out in Tampa because they didn't vote for Romney, and then having some of the alternates replaced too for the same reason after the re-vote, won't look good for Romney. Not even his delegates want him for president! So even the worst case scenario of breaking these rules is a win for Ron Paul, he always wins...

Wrapped up in court

Even if they send lawyers, this will be so wrapped up in court that it will still look Terrible if the public got wind...

Egg on Face...... Fail

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