Deceptive Story: Paul campaign condemns 'underhanded' grassroots efforts to take over Idaho GOP, award Romney delegates to Paul
Submitted by ralph hornsby on Thu, 05/10/2012 - 18:03What John Tate REALLY said: From Ron Paul 2012
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/05/10/ron-paul-campaign-stat...
IDAHO NEWSPAPER GOT IT WRONG ABOUT WHAT MR. TATE SAID
Ron Paul's presidential campaign manager, John Tate, on Thursday condemned the effort by Paul supporters to take over the Idaho Republican convention by capturing precinct committeeman posts in Tuesday's primary.
Tate said the activity in Idaho — following a binding caucus that gave Mitt Romney 62 percent of the vote among 45,000 GOP voters — is not in keeping with the Paul campaign's practice of chasing delegates in other states with non-binding "beauty contests."
"In Idaho, isolated instances of grassroots activists working toward an ostensible ‘hostile takeover’ of the GOP are not sanctioned by the Ron Paul national campaign," Tate said in a news release that came four days after an Idaho Statesman account of an effort led by Ryan Davidson, an Ada County GOP Central Committee member.
Davidson declined comment Thursday.
Davidson said Paulers are aiming to capture enough precinct committee posts to dominate county organization meetings after Tuesday's primary. There, Davidson said, they aim to elect two-thirds of the delegates to the June 22 State convention and move to suspend the rules and award Idaho's 32 delegates to Paul rather than Romney. Romney's victory was big enough to ensure him all 32 delegates.
“I’ll do the scorched earth if I have to,” Davidson told the Statesman last week.
In a training video, Davidson says, “If two-thirds of the delegates to the Idaho State Convention are Ron Paul supporters, they can vote to suspend the rules, overturn the results of the caucus and award all the national delegates to Ron Paul."
Added Tate: “Therefore, the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign condemns efforts to expand its influence in the Republican Party in Idaho and beyond when these activities are couched as vengeful, underhanded, or markedly distasteful."
Republicans, including former Gov. Phil Batt, are working to fight back, sending 20,000 post cards to Ada County Republicans listing precinct committee candidates loyal to Romney.
Said Batt: "I'm happy if they're getting their internal affairs in order, but it was disruptive to Idaho to begin with."
Read more here: http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/05/10/idahopolitics/ro...
Please explain exactly what John Tate means by
***"Therefore, the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign condemns efforts to expand its influence in the Republican Party in Idaho and beyond when these activities are couched as vengeful, underhanded, or markedly distasteful."***
If you don't have 2/3, your vote does not count. So let's say 62% is for Romney. Ron Paul fights for 38% of the delegates. But if you do not have 2/3, 100% could go to Romney.
Taking about "underhanded"?! - What about the underhanded vote flipping? What about underhanded electronic voting machine control?
What about the collaborate criminal act by the media and the establishment against Ron Paul campaign? What about the damage the media has inflicted with their claim that Ron Paul can't win, with their "boss" (YES WHO IS REALLY CONTROLLING THE MEDIA?) telling them how to misguide Americans in this election?!! What about all of that open "underhandedness"!!! What about the shenanigans pulled by the GOP establishment in EVERY state, at every level?
What is so underhanded about winning by following the Robert Rule of Order?
Not a thing
And does anyone think the elites and corporations will support RP as GOP nominee? Heck, no. So contributions are bound to go down...at least from the Establishment.
Do anything to win
we will make his platform any way we can and keep doing what were doing play hard nasty and within the rules, who cares if he is condemning it, we will happen, occupy the GOP, just remember our enemy is evil and it must be destroyed.
Take over the GOP, Take over the general election process and take back our country, be ruthless and lets win this.
"....when these activities
"....when these activities are couched as vengeful, underhanded, or markedly distasteful."
DO IT! Just be nice about it! Smile more, less talk of "scorched earth", more talk of "olive branch". BUT GET IT DONE!!!
I don't get it....
This statement in particular from John Tate from the campaigns website sure doesn't sound like we're on the same page...does someone want to help me out here.
“The end game of those who responsibly represent Dr. Paul’s winning message is to strengthen and expand the Republican Party so that it is better equipped to curtail Washington intrusion into the economy and our daily lives, and to prepare the party for a resounding defeat of incumbent President Barack Obama. These are values all Republicans can share and our hope has always been to have our involvement be viewed as a sort of olive branch to Republicans who are occupants of what party members often refer to as a ‘big tent.’
I thought the end game was to win this thing and get Ron Paul elected as the Republican nominee.
Well
Maybe it's just me but saying:
"These are values all Republicans can share and our hope has always been to have our involvement be viewed as a sort of olive branch to Republicans who are occupants of what party members often refer to as a ‘big tent.’"
Is better than "We're going to get Ronpaul elected!"
LOL, joking aside, I think the way Tate stated that is not bad in anyway.
Yes, we are trying to get the Honest Dr. Paul into office, but we're getting Dr. Paul into office BECAUSE Dr. Paul is the ONLY politician who stands for what we believe in... in other words, Tate stating what we believe in rather than plainly saying "getting Paul into office" is a better way of putting it ^^
IMO
"Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed."~Mahatma Gandhi
Quick Humorous Satire course on Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_65316&...
Completely agree. We are not
Completely agree. We are not even really trying to take over. We are trying to change the party from within, back to its roots. We don't care what candidate you support, we want to save this country from unsustainable debt and Constitution trampling..
Let's be realistic here.
That's the only way you're going to change anything in a corrupt system like we have is to take it over. It's time we change out the old and put in the new.
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.
Okay guys, I understand that...
I think I'm just a bit testy this week. It seems like the campaign let the genie out of the bottle though and are now trying to figure out how to get it back in so to speak. I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks to play the politics angle. I just get the sense that they really did not expect us to be doing so well, and by "they" I mean the campaign. With this and the Doug Wead stuff if also seems like there's somewhat of a gender gap. You have all these enthusiastic idealistic new people coming into the party, ready to do what it takes and not entrenched in the game of politics and they seem a little worried now about how to get them under control.
Herding cats
From the beginning, the whole idea of grassroots is that it is not centrally controlled. Saving ourselves means taking specific actions that are critical from your perspective. Perhaps the folks in Idaho are doing what they must because of what they see. Because other areas are different, they are likely to see things in a different, possibly negative way; therefore, the campaign takes appropriate steps as they are the symbolic head of the grassroots effort.
Decepticons
Swindle and Starscream could learn from these guys.
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Thing is.. these guys in Idahoe
are well within the rules..
Look at what the Dems did in 2008..
xxxx://www.wnd.com/2012/04/hillary-supporters-untold-obama-horror-stories/
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.
ugh, LOL like a dork, I jumped the gun, too.
I stand corrected.
http://www.dailypaul.com/232450/paul-campaign-condemns-under...
Tate's words were skewed intentionally by the Idaho MSM rag.
Thanks Hornsby for the update!
Slap me twice!
I apologize to Mr. John Tate for not checking facts before commenting.
I apologize to Mr. John Tate for not checking facts before commenting.
I apologize to Mr. John Tate for not checking facts before commenting.
- that's my Bart Simpson mea culpa ')
Predictions in due Time...
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"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul
"In Idaho, isolated instances
"In Idaho, isolated instances of grassroots activists working toward an ostensible ‘hostile takeover’ of the GOP are not sanctioned by the Ron Paul national campaign..."
wink, wink
I love politics....
Never be afraid to ask simple questions.
The establishment Neocon Rethuglican Party
if full of these cheaters.
R3VOLution
I'm down for some...
scorched earth!!! The only way the GOP can keep its claws in the system is by lying and cheating. It's up the Grassroots in us all to take out the trash! Rock-on, Idaho!
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Condemn
*wink* *wink* there is nothing we can do to STOP them. lol
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screw that
Take it over and axe them all neocons out. They can join the DMC
Go Get em Grassroots!
Comments like these from the out dated GOP in charge just upsets me to no end! Is every state that is left to nominate delegates going to go this route and complain about the grassroots people taking back their country? We are winning by using the rules THEY put in place!
As they always say...."Hate the player, not the game!"
Relax Mr. Tate
It's Mitt Romney's convention. Ron Paul is just trying to get a speaking slot. Go back to sleep and stop worrying. There is no planned take-over of the GOP.
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For those that think Tate's
For those that think Tate's statement was just PR . . . why did they not suspend the rules and unbind Romney's delegates in Nevada?
I don't have the answer, but here are some thoughts:
- they wanted to honor the previous conventrion rules created for the current year.
- It appears delegates in Nevada can legally abstain.
- Will the first ballot be the first order of business at Tampa or will Ron Paul's majority of delegates be able to set rules before hand?
- If the various state delegates cause as little of a stir as possible while gaining a majority of delegates, then it may be easier in the end when Rule 11 or Romney's fraud investigations bare fruit.
- Related to the above point ... Doug Weed was talking about combating the meme about "take overs", "stealing delegates" etc.
Anyway . . . my thought of the day ... walk softly and carry a big stick.
I'd say..
..yes, GO FOR IT!!! Turn it around where it really counts.
My thought is
If a candidate can get enough people to take it upon themselves to get a lot of people to the precinct caucuses, then such candidate shows that money doesn't buy his popularity, his principals do. Mitt has only money, no principals, that's why he doesn't get the real sweat and tears support that Ron Paul gets. Therefor, we are earning these wins with far more work than Mitt has ever known.
We are the real republicans, taking our party back!
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TX
F--- THAT! TAKE OVER IDAHO!
I say F--- THAT! They probably hijacked the polling there. We need to take it back. We need any win we can get, and as many delegates as possible if we're serious about winning this thing! TAKE OVER IDAHO!
This is how they have been
This is how the GOP has been operating for years. Get a majority then make up their own rules. If you run the table, you can do about anything you want with the party rules, including making them up as you go. The National GOP might have a problem with it, but it is one I am sure they will get over when they realize there is true passion for a national candidate who can actually win.
The governor is using tax payer money for Wrongney?
Yes then, by all means, take over! Take the gov out of office too. It doesn't actually sound "underhanded" to me. Rules Rule! Now talk about underhanded... how about that 8.5 billion dollar ponzi scheme and the 25 million medical fraud incidents. Now that's what we call underhanded.
Deceptive Article
What John Tate actually said is;
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Someone need to
Post the ACTUAL full statement on that site...
Thanks for the full statement by the way. ^^
Can't believe how low MSM is going to sink...
"Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed."~Mahatma Gandhi
Quick Humorous Satire course on Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_65316&...
I thought it was deceptive and I kept tracing it back
It is going all around. The story is on about 6 different sites. I finally traced it to the original article from the newspaper. I don't like what it says, I'm just putting up what the newspaper wrote. And I didn't know John Tate said anything about The Idaho Statesman. I would like to read the article where he says the correct quote. Do you have a link? Thank you for finding that. I would like to send the correct article to the people who posted all the other ones.