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URGENT Warning to DELEGATES: Do Not Accept ANY Contributions from Foreign Sources

UPDATED....

In 2008, I helped to form a PAC in support of Ron Paul. As part of that process I had to become intimately familiar with the Federal Election Commission rules regarding accepting donations from foreign nationals. This information was all confirmed by an attorney who specialized in election law.

There are NO circumstances under which a Ron Paul Delegate should accept any funds from a foreign source, either directly or indirectly. Foreigners are NEVER allowed to spend money in connection with U.S. elections. It is also against the law for U.S. Citizens to accept foreign funds in connection with U.S. elections.

Read that wording again: "in connection with any federal state or local election...either directly or indirectly."

Some have said that because the GOP is a private organization, this prohibition on foreign money does not apply, because the elections that happen at GOP events aren't real "elections." However, common sense indicates that GOP caucuses and conventions are held IN CONNECTION WITH federal, state or local elections. It's absurd to state otherwise. Local caucuses and Presidential Preference Polls, and District and County and State conventions are an integral part of the process of nominating a candidate for President of the United States.

This was clarified in an August, 2011 ruling by a a three-judge panel whose opinion was that a federal law banning foreign donations is constitutional. As reported in Politico,

"The Supreme Court has drawn a fairly clear line: the government may exclude foreign citizens from activities 'intimately related to the process of democratic self-government,'" Circuit Judge Brett Kavanaugh wrote in an opinion joined by District Court Judges Ricardo Urbina and Rosemary Collyer. "Politicial contributions and express-advocacy expenditures are an integral aspect of the process by which Americans elect officials to federal, state, and local government offices."

The judges noted that the Supreme Court has approved laws that allow only citizens to serve as schoolteachers, police and probation officers. "Spending money to influence voters and finance campaigns is at least as (and probably far more) closely related to democratic self-government than serving as a probation officer or public schoolteacher," Kavanaugh wrote.

So, as a fellow Ron Paul supporter and Patriot, I'm begging Foreign Nationals: PLEASE do not give Dr. Paul's enemies any ammunition that the government, Romney campaign, RNC and corrupt media can use against him! To those lucky enough to be Delegates: PLEASE do not give the RNC or your State GOP any reason to disqualify you, or worse, send you to prison for breaking FEC regulations!

Foreigners, this means...

Do not donate to the Ron Paul for President campaign, local or state parties, individual delegates, canvassing, advertising, products, services, handouts, flyers, Superbrochures, blimps, products sold by the Campaign, chip-ins for gas or hotel rooms or food for delegates, hospitality suites at conventions, pizza donations or anything else "connected with the process by which Americans will elect officials to federal, state and local government offices."

Rule of thumb: if your are NOT a U.S. Citizen or Permanent Resident, and your proposed donation is intended in any way whatsoever to help Ron Paul get elected, you should assume it's against the law.

Here are excerpts from the relevant sections from the Code of Federal Regulations:

Title 11: Federal Elections

CHAPTER I: FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION
SUBCHAPTER A: GENERAL
PART 110: CONTRIBUTION AND EXPENDITURE LIMITATIONS AND PROHIBITIONS
110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (2 U.S.C. 441e, 36 U.S.C. 510).

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

(f) Expenditures, independent expenditures, or disbursements by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

(g) Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

(h) Providing substantial assistance. (1) No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the solicitation, making, acceptance, or receipt of a contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d), and (g) of this section.

(i) Participation by foreign nationals in decisions involving election-related activities. A foreign national shall not direct, dictate, control, or directly or indirectly participate in the decision-making process of any person, such as a corporation, labor organization, political committee, or political organization with regard to such person's Federal or non-Federal election-related activities, such as decisions concerning the making of contributions, donations, expenditures, or disbursements in connection with elections for any Federal, State, or local office or decisions concerning the administration of a political committee.

You can find the "Cliff's Notes" version of CFR Title 11 in the Federal Election Commission Foreign Nationals Brochure

The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.

Foreign donors, you're free to disagree with me and interpret the law in your own way, of course. But I have to ask you...if there's any chance at all that your donation can get Ron Paul or his delegates in trouble, why would you take that risk, when so many are working so hard and sacrificing so much? Why give our opposition any help?

U.S. Citizens and delegates, same question for you. If there's any chance that your encouragement of foreign campaign contributions can send you to jail or get Ron Paul or his delegates in trouble, why take the risk?

If you have any questions after reading this, please do not argue with me or ask me for clarification. I am not an attorney and this is not legal advice. It is my opinion formed as a result of my own research and advice from an attorney in 2008. Contact the FEC in Washington, D.C., at 1-800-424-9530 or 202-694-1100 if you have questions.

In liberty,
Kathleen

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Rules must be obeyed even when they are wrong...

This rule is wrong because many many foreigners suffer from bombs and devastations which are the result of US foreign policy. Yet they do not have right to vote, or give donations. This is wrong. But of course, rules must be obeyed until they are changed.

Kathleen Gee's picture

Got official confirmation from the FEC this morning.

Delegates (local, state, National) CANNOT accept foreign campaign contributions. Nor can they accept money or in-kind donations from corporations, non-profits, labor unions, or Federal contractors.

FEC Rules for National Convention Delegates

To Whom Do These Rules Apply?
These rules apply to any individual who is seeking selection as a delegate, or who has already been selected as a delegate, at any level of the delegate selection process (local, state or national)

Who is Prohibited From Contributing to a Delegate?
Individual delegates may not accept any contributions from sources prohibited from making contributions in connection with federal elections. 11 CFR 110.14(c)(2). These sources include:

• Corporations (including banks and nonprofit corporations);
• Labor organizations;
• Foreign nationals or businesses (except "green card" holders--those admitted to the United States for permanent residence); and
• Federal government contractors (such as partnerships and sole proprietors with federal contracts).

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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You are abusing these forums by making multiple threads

So now I'm really dubious about your concern for rules and your agenda.

Me, too. AND a gift is not a

Me, too. AND a gift is not a contribution, anyway. This whole thing is mostly irrelevant..

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Yes, this is part of my secret hidden agenda

...to keep foreign campaign contributions out of the U.S. political process and elect Ron Paul the next president of the United States of America.

Except, I suck a LOT at hiding my agenda. It's pretty much 100% out in the open. :)

I don't know what they told you at the FEC. I don't know how you phrased your question. I can only speak from my experience working on the board of a PAC in 2008, and what the election lawyer told us, and my ability to read regulations. The language from the Statute is:

(g) Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

Though I'm not a lawyer, when the regulation says, "No person shall knowingly solicit, accept or receive" a prohibited donation, it seems to me that the regulation does indeed apply to individual persons such as Delegates.

Listen, I'm only trying to help. I can sleep at night knowing I did my best to inform people. That's what matters to me.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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This is bad advice I am down voting this

Delegates are not elected, they do not have to register with the FEC or State Election Offices/

Conventions are private events, they elect nobody, they nominate.

There do not even need to be primaries or caucuses or state conventions to get elected, those are products of the party, not the government.

The FEC has no power over a state convention or delegates. State Party Political Organizations are NOT PART OF THE ELECTION PROCESS WHATSOVER!!!

CANDIDATES ARE--- a candidate registers with the state and federal governments - regardless of party or independent. Once they do that, they are under the rules of the FEC.

A committee man and woman of a party are elected via precinct voters - they could NOT get money from foreign sources.

Do delegates to a convention elect senators, US House Reps, State Senators, State House Reps or even the local dog catcher, anything? - NO

A Delegate gives his or her preference for somebody to become a nominee, his or her vote is not binding in and way whatsoever. There is no mention of state political party conventions at all in state laws, because they are PRIVATE events and it is not necessary to have them.

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Why take the chance?

Seriously, why take the chance? Why even leave space for enemies of Ron Paul to QUESTION this?

I'm not in jeopardy. I've done nothing but encourage clean elections. You, however, are advocating for the use of foreign money spent in connection with U.S. elections. You have more to worry about than I do.

If you're willing to accept the consequences of advocating this, it's your funeral. I just wish you would stop for a moment to consider the broader implications. What if you're wrong?

What may happen to the Daily Paul if you're wrong?
What may happen to your family's finances if you have to pay the $10,000 fine and go to prison?
What may happen to Delegates who accept illegal foreign donations or things of value based on your advice? What may happen to their families?
What may happen to Ron Paul's campaign organization?
What may happen to Ron Paul?
What may happen to the Liberty Movement if you're totally wrong, and the FEC's website, Code of Federal Regulations, election lawyers, and a string of federal judicial decisions are right?

Just think about it. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm trying to make sure there's NO REASON WHATSOEVER to question the legitimacy of any expenditures made to elect Ron Paul.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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If Oklahoma taught us anything

Its that knowing the rules will empower us to victory. We -must- abide by them, however, or we become what we have been working so hard to overcome.

Keep up the good work friends.

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Shameless self-bump

A reminder because of the Delegate Chip-Ins that are popping up.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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I'm troubled with this

How are we supposed to know? It's not like I know anyone in China or Israel or Japan and I'm contacting them and placing an order and then selling it here on Daily Paul to delegates.

Wouldn't the vender be the one breaking the law?

It seems like more bad law or corrupted law, because a delegate is having to protect themselves from their own government and not the vender from another country who lied.

This is a great example of why too big government hurts more than helps.

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If I were a Delegate

If I were a Delegate accepting funds in connection with any U.S. election, I might protect myself by consulting an election attorney and the FEC and including language similar to this in my Chip-In or whatever mechanism I'm using to accept money. This based on the statement from the RonPaul2012.com website:

Federal law requires all online contributors to confirm that the following statements are true and accurate. If you cannot confirm each statement, you are not eligible to contribute to my "Send Me to Tampa" Chip-In.

1. This contribution is made on a personal credit or debit card or PayPal account for which I have the legal obligation to pay, and is made neither on a corporate or business entity card or account nor on the card or account of another.

2. I am a United States citizen or a lawfully-admitted permanent resident.

3. I am making this contribution with my own personal funds, and I will not be reimbursed by anyone for this contribution.

Contributions from corporations, national banks and federal government contractors are prohibited. Employees of these types of entities are still able to contribute using their own personal funds.

By clicking “Make Donation” you agree to the terms above.

Just an idea. I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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You continue to disinform in spite of being shown proof.

The law ONLY applies to groups, NEVER individuals that hold no office. I confirmed this with the FEC.

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I confirmed it with the FEC and here's the official brochure....

Weird, because when I called Friday morning, they sent me directly to this online version of their handy brochure called

FEC Rules for National Convention Delegates

...which clearly states that local, state and Federal Delegates, and those running to become Delegates, are bound by the same FEC rules that govern all Federal election activity, including prohibitions against accepting donations from foreigners:

Individual delegates may not accept any contributions from sources prohibited from making contributions in connection with federal elections. 11 CFR 110.14(c)(2). These sources include:

* Corporations (including banks and nonprofit corporations);
* Labor organizations;
* Foreign nationals or businesses (except "green card" holders--those admitted to the United States for permanent residence); and
* Federal government contractors (such as partnerships and sole proprietors with federal contracts). 11 CFR 110.20; 114.2; 115.2, 115.4 and 115.5.

Anyone who is trying to become a Ron Paul delegate (or who already is one) should read this brochure:

FEC Rules for National Convention Delegates

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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This would seem correct to me

But what seems and what is, is hard to know what is right. I have not seen any Romney campaign signs, stickers.. nothing, so what's up with that? I compete for places to put up Ron Paul signs, grassroots vs campaign vs jobbers