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Overheard A Conversation About Ron Paul At A Restaurant...

Today, I was at a rather empty restaurant with my dad and brother (I'm only a senior in high school) and I don't know how the conversation started, but right before we were getting up to leave I heard the waitress tell a table of 2 elderly couples she voted for Ron Paul in the Indiana State Primary the other day. One of the men made a comment along the lines of, "He's a nutjob."

The waitress, obviously unsure of her opinion gave in and made an excuse that would get her off the hook, "Oh ya you know aren't they all? I voted for Bush in 04' and then Obama so I don't know..."

My RonPaul-o-meter immedietly went crazy and I interjected myself. The following is what occured.

"Who Ron Paul?" -me

"Yes," said the man. -old man

"Oh he's my man!" -me

"He is a nutjob son." -old man

"Why do you say that?" -me

"He is a Tea Party lunatic!" -yelled his wife.

"He is the only consistent and principled candidate in the race, or even in the country." -me

"Look I don't care how consistent he is son, the man has no idea what he is talking about...and if you support him then you are a lunatic as well." -man (now very worked up and raising his tone)

"Well I am sorry for you sir, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and that is what is ruining this country." -me

I then left with my dad (a democrat & judge) laughing and chastizing me for the last bit. Anyway, I just wanted to vent and share the difficult situation we have with the baby boomer generation.



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Great job!!

You are the man!!!

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Here's a technique to use in

Here's a technique to use in that type of conversation. Instead of saying He's the most consistent because at that point the other person isn't listening. Ask them "Why do you think he's a tea party lunatic?" Then answer with something like, "I've heard that bad information from other people as well. It's a common misconception." Why do you think "Ron Paul would do that" or "he supports that"?

The purpose is to first understand the other person.

Don't be too hard on the waitress

She depends on her tips for a living wage. She knows by the way people say things whether they are willing to hear a different point of view. These customers were not. So why argue with them and put your tip in peril?

For a young man like yourself it is a different matter. From the account you have given here there was nothing improper in what you said and it may give them food for thought.

Their issue is undoubtedly foreign policy and they have been so conditioned by the TV they are genuinely afraid of terrorists. They believe Dr. Paul is ignorant of the threat facing the nation and this causes them to relegate him to the fringes of sanity. For them it is inconceivable that anyone could be against the war on terror. Their emotional reaction was symptomatic of their conditioning. It is a case of impenetrable prejudice.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I usually find one question stops them in their tracks.

"Exactly what part of the constitution do you think is crazy?"

If their answer is silence - Then in the silence that follows I add, "Don't confuse Cagey with Crazy. Never under-estimate a Cagey Old Man."

If their answer is "Nothing" - "Then you need to vote for the only candidate defending it."

Now it's about the Constitution and the fight to defend it.

I'm not sure how accurate

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but while looking at the demographics of viewers on the Money Bomb videos I was pretty surprised to see that 64% of the views came from people over 45.

45-54 = 38%
55-64 = 23%
35-44 = 20%
25-34 = 11%
18-24 = 4%
65+ = 3%

Those percentages might be totally off if they only count people logged in to Google or Youtube, but I thought it was interesting that there are at least a good number of people over 45 searching for Ron Paul.

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Hey now, be nice.

I love your enthusiasm, and welcome your participation.

Baby Boomer here, voted for Ross Perot back in ‘92’ (before some of you were born). Don’t count us out just because of our age.

If maybe you asked pointed questions like did you know that the income tax law was never ratified in 1913, or that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank, wait for the answer, and then politely countered the old farts argument you may have made him think.

Instead he still thinks that Ron Paul is nuts and he has added you to the nut list.

You had a teachable moment there, next time try to educate instead of fight.

Just saying ;-)

Generational Warefare

could come and that would be disastrous to see groups like black bloc attack nursing homes and drag folks out and kill them and if things got bad enough that could happen, that could be the next divider the elite uses against us.

The Boomer Generation

Total incompetent lunatics that for the most part are to busy watching dancing with the stars to get a clue about anything. These are the nutjobs that have brought on this nightmare and let it get totally out of control, make no mistake about it! I deal with them on a daily basis, they are brainwashed and hopeless. For the smart ones out there who support Paul, please disregard but for the rest of the worst generation in American history and the worst leadership in American history i have NOTHIN for you.... NOTHING!.. You have bankrupted this country and sadled your kids and grand kids and their kids and grand kids with unsustainable debt and continue doing it to this very day.... unforgivable!

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Maybe I'm wrong

but I don't ever recall any generation that bankrupted the country. I do recall many Presidents and other members of government failing to heed advice from some of the founding fathers about a centralized banking system. I do recall many of these same government officials spending money like they had a money tree in their backyards. I also remember every generation having issues that they stood up against and tried to change, and I recall history of a time when there were more Statesmen than Politicians. (I don't imply that i lived back then but i researched history through other means than a public school system textbook) The "Boomers" made the mistake of trusting Politicians to be Statesmen, my generation did the same, to a degree, those of us who didn't tended to not stay informed about politics, and thus our error was to be complacent. This is where the problems started taking root. Yes some of us have allowed abuse from the government because we did not hold them accountable. My father (may he rest in peace) could not understand that the Democratic party that he supported had changed, he still thought that they were of the JFK "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" mindset. I argued this with him continuously, not realizing that though I believed i was right to support the extreme right, we both had been duped by non loyal Americans both moving toward a global government, using marxist type ideals to pave the way. When I realized what my vote for the neo-cons had helped to do I felt stupid and betrayed, and worst of all I realized I had myself to blame. Then I remembered something that I did while working security for the 2nd "W" innaugural, a protestor had made his way into the seating area I was responsible for, one of the other neo-con Bush supporters (I say other because i was at this time, one of them) jumped up to try and prevent the protestor from voicing his displeasure. I stopped the Bush supportor and informed him that we all still had free speech and a right to peacefully voice it. I fought that day for another Americans right to free speech, and it later would make me wonder why the protestor had been so determined to speak out for the President who was gonna protect us. This was day one of my journey to here. I "heaven forbid" found out that their were many things i didn't like about the truth of my choice to support the establishment. I realized there was a Constitutional party and a Libertarian Party. I also found the hard truth that I had been willing to support a president that felt Secrecy from the public was okay, and I actually accepted it. I also did not act against or speak out on the Patriot Act (Real good one there, now Obam man has gone even further) I served 8 years in the Army because I believe in America, I was against group rights over individual liberty, and I certainly believed I was doing the right thing in fighting against America moving towards becoming the new United Nations puppet. I could not fathom that In supporting the establishment parties I had actually helped move closer to this outcome. I left service because Clinton actually insisted on a continued "World Police policy" In short I had been blind enough to let myself believe in the lies the Politicians spewed on a daily basis. The Boomers and myself no doubt had one thing in common, we still do, we believed we were right, we believed our Government cared about us. That does not make them or I Incompetent lunatics, It makes us misguided maybe, fooled by liars for sure, Passionate that we believed, as some still do, that we were doing the right thing. Nutjobs we are not, corrupted from day one to believe and trust in our teachers and the social experiment that is public school systems, to trust in the Law Officers who are supposed to protect us, to listen to every so called Professional who knows better than us, and to be taught from day one that we can count on the people we elect Yes. I am glad there are people like the Libertarian I once worked with who helped me to see other veiwpoints (Jeff if your'e out there Thanks)and I am glad that I ended up here. I also hope that once you read this you will understand, that the majority of the Boomers, Democrats, and Neo cons are not Nutjobs or Lunatics, but people like you and I, who are very strong believers in what they feel, and that just as we feel we are right, they too feel that they are and we are the Nutjobs. To look inside and see the truth that maybe just maybe we are wrong is an option none of us like or want to see. It is never easy to admit mistakes, it is always easier to blame others, instead why not try to help and have Something to give to those who need us, to help them like Jeff helped me? Everyone makes mistakes, let us as Americans fix those mistakes or in the worse case scenario die trying.

The first of my ancestors arrived in 1687, Indentured to serve another for 4 years, we fought in the Revolutionary war, Civil war, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and Served during Desert Shield/Storm, Now my Family and I serve The "Revolution"

Respectable post

Everything you say is indeed true but every generation is governed by its peers. I realise this started 100 years ago. I was awake in my early 20's! Didn't take long at all after paying attention to see the fake right/left hoax being played on Americans and the fleecing of America happening. I am now 43 years old while we still have these head in the sand Boomers . I feel at this point their is no excuse for it any longer and they are VERY aware of what they are doing to future generations and have been for a long time. No generation could be this freakin blind on accident, SORRY, i don't buy it! You made my point with your post if you go back and read carefully. The signs of this outcome were there and have been for decades, the Boomer generation wilfully turned a blind eye to it and were paid very well to do so...i could go on and on for hours about this but it is the Boomer generation of leaders that have escalated this agenda 10 fold. Their parents handed them the richest most powerful nation in the world and they stood by and watched it get dismantled. They traded a real economy for a paper folder and now your grand kids have no way to get ahead...no seed corn and 100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities for Medicare and SS for the elderly alone! Vote me down for being honest, i don't care, i realise the truth hurts...so be it...No excuses for what they and their elected officials have done to this country NONE and the ones that still stay the course know very well what they are doing, they just don't care....just DONT MESS WITH MY SS....Whah Whah....spoiled brats!....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

There is no need to vote you down

Free speech, and I am not the thought police.

The first of my ancestors arrived in 1687, Indentured to serve another for 4 years, we fought in the Revolutionary war, Civil war, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and Served during Desert Shield/Storm, Now my Family and I serve The "Revolution"

Hey thanks

and i liked the post you made even if you dont like mine ... very fair....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Careful

Most have not realized that the parties have changed since they last looked into things and decided who/what was right. Things have changed and they are none the wiser. I am thinking that the way to reach them is to continually point out the glaring similarities between the actual party platforms, not the platforms that they fancy. For instance, ask them why they support X -- then compare and contrast appropriately.

been there done that

i have had people call me crazy and call ron paul crazy but then when you ask them about how much they know of him and what he wants to do/ while asking them what there candidate whats to do i try to show how much i know of there candidates to show them i know everything about the corrupt statues establishment romney/santourm/obama/gringrich while explaining that ron paul is different and being ignored by the media/establishment simply by only telling them the truth. we live in a world that no one wants to listen any more there always right and we ae alway wrong they must have it there way keep your head up this first is not over!

ron paul 2012

Wrong!

Many WILL listen, if you speak with compassion (as opposed to passion) and with some intelligence. Not all but, many will listen and AGREE. I know. I've done it, with great success.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

ditto

Only after I start understanding the person in front of me, can I communicate the ideas that they just told me are missing.

Maybe try to gauge the person

Maybe try to gauge the person and talk in their language. Plant a seed of truth and do not be obnoxious. The people willing to talk then straight out talk, but those calling him a "nut job" are not in the mood to debate.

Don't you just love the irony?

The same people that will teach you to LIVE by good principles & values will in the same breath somehow tell you not to vote for them, but to ALWAYS vote Party, and compromise on those principles and values.

I check out the Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Independents, etc. now.

After the field of Republicrat candidates for president that we've had in 2008 & 2012? Why would I EVER vote blindly, All R's down the list ever again?

I want representatives that have and/or will take their oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution seriously from now on.

Truth is, those same people can't tell you why they like Rombama.

It is sad that too many people have made Fox News their "Church", and their couches their "Pews".

You said

a lot right here.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

you cant say baby boomers..

need to differentiate a bit..
name them: "fox watching baby boomers"

They are out there in masses and outnumber the sane and informed "baby boomers" for sure.

They move in drones to the polls and think they did everything right.

How about you

take your "age warfare" bullsh!t and shove it where the sun don't shine.

I agree 110% and second that.

I am so sick of being insulted by people on this site. Obvious disdain for older people, or for any group, only reflects badly on us all and on Ron Paul. If they want to know why we don't win the beauty contests, they can look to themselves because they are part of the problem.

Blessings )o(

The kid is a senior in highschool.

You two jackwagons need to chill the fuck out.

I'm so scared of down votes...

Please grow up. You are illustrating how generations above me {age 46} totally put us in the hole we are trying to climb out of.

Mending bridges

Mending a bridge is not accomplished in the way that you have responded. Instead of responding defensively (which exposes some level of guilt), you should be assessing what it is that you/we can do to reestablish communion across the generational gap.

It is correct for the younger generation to blame the previous generations for failures, as it will be the case for generations to come ad nauseam. The wool was pulled over the boomers' eyes, and this was facilitated by the depressioners, so to treat this young man as though he is incorrect is disingenuous. However, remind him that, unless he stands up where previous generations sat down, and also, unless he stands up where previous generations also stood up, his blame will only serve to bind his own conduct.

I hope you are old enough to appreciate what I am suggesting. While partially justified, I do agree that blame should be the lesser issue on our minds than rectification. So then, let us place blame so that we can fix the problem, let us accept blame for our failures so that we can fix the problem, and let us fix the problem so that there is less blame to be placed, or the cycle will continue and our "body" will continue to rot.

Negative vote

Voting down my post, which is advocating verity and anabasis, does not bode well for our movement. If we cannot be united in upright progress, then we deserve to lose our liberties.

I'm not here

to "mend" any f*ckng bridges.

Not helping? Then you need help.

Then I fully understand that you are one of those that needs the most help.

Multiple down-votes...

Do you intend to disparage those who wish to see us all become more healthy? Or are you under some kind of delusion? Maybe you are simply a troll.

Divisive.

The elders blame the kids for not voting.

The kids blame the elders for the way things are.

And if that isn't enough we have gays, immigrants, rich people, poor people, the greedy and the shiftless not to mention all the colors and creeds: Pick your poison.

TV gave us the "Generation Gap" and the "Family Feud".

Jerry Springer brought us the Blame Game.

And who get's voted off the Island.

But through it all we have heard the message through long and short years: Our rights come to us in a natural way. Each has a right only to their own liberty, their own property and their own privacy.

In real life we do prejudge instinctively. We are ever on the lookout for threats to our liberty, property and privacy. This can be used against us.

"Freedom is popular! It can bring us together." ~Dr. Ron Paul

Free includes debt-free!