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Ben Swann Confirms: Delegates Are NOT Bound, Anywhere! New Reality Check

Ben Swann's Reality Check may have cleared up our bound delegate question.

The take away is...

The RNC does not recognize a state's ability to bind delegates!!!

Take a look below:


"(FOX19) - One week ago, Reality Check told you about one reason why the Republican Presidential nomination is far from locked up.

But one blogger says Ben got it wrong claiming "Urgent, Ben Swann and Matt Larson are wrong about Rule 38 and delegates being Unbound based on RNC rules."

So, was Ben wrong after all?

The answer in a Reality Check Reply All."


LETTER QUOTE from Jennifer Sheehan, Legal Counsel for the RNC:

“[The] RNC does not recognize a state’s binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose.” And, “The national convention allows delegates to vote for the individual of their choice, regardless of whether the person’s name is officially placed into nomination or not.”

Read here: http://utahcountygop.com/blog/mr-jenkins-goes-to-st-paul/

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Even if they change the

Even if they change the "rule" it doesn't matter. Your vote is YOUR VOTE. No one takes a gun to your head and forces you to vote for someone. Always vote your conscience!

The thing is there will be HUGE peer pressure, especially in the states where we only have a few delegates...HUGE peer pressure to "fall in line" and "unite the party". I read blog posts that many in 2008 were bribed and promised things in order to change their vote from Paul to McCain.

BUT the good news is that peer pressure goes both ways!! People for Romney can be swayed to go the other direction. If our numbers are strong we can put pressure on other delegates to vote with us as well. Keep fighting! Ron Paul will have huge support at the RNC!

"If you put a gun to my head and said vote Romney/Gingrich/Santorum...I would say pull the trigger!"

At NV convention, there was

At NV convention, there was no real meeting until we adopted the rules, or kept last years rules. This took a few hours. It seemed as though they were voting on THIS years rules. Once things were changed, they were changed then.

So it's possible they can change the rules, but not if we have a Paul majority.

the convention

As I understand it the rules get set at the convention. In other words, the rules for this convention were voted on in 2008. And the rules for 2016 will be voted on in 2012.
So the short answer it, I don't think so :)

I didn't meet all the Nevada delegates

but I do know that they are dedicated and will do what is deemed to be the right thing...but not by coercion of any campaign! That's the beauty of Ron Paul's supporters. By believing in liberty they leave it to each of us to do what we believe is the right thing. That message was made clear at the Nevada State convention. That being said, if the lines of communication remain open with the Rob Paul supporters like they were in Nevada, we can look forward to victory and a strong showing of support. I seriously doubt that any Paul supporters would be swayed by the Romney campaigners...we've been swimming upstream for quite a long time!

I hope you are right but

I hope you are right but there were Ron Paul supporters swayed in 2008. I read we should have had 25+ votes at the RNC in 2008 and we got 8......This time will be different because there will be HUNDREDS of Ron Paul delegates and the peer pressure will go both ways.

"If you put a gun to my head and said vote Romney/Gingrich/Santorum...I would say pull the trigger!"

We need more journalists like Ben Swann around.

Glad to know true journalism still exists. Other journalists would probably just play ignorant and repeat the same things other news outlets posted.

We got a plan for doing exactly that.

35 Times!



is there such a thing as a romulin

i wasn't sure that he had any supporters at all. i haven't found ONE romney fan, and i've talked to ALOT of people.

Super Ben! :)

Excellent news! A MUST SEE!

Thanks for posting.

Keep this BUMPed!

Pres. Ron Paul 2012!

This is really great *but*

Just a word of caution.. I fear all the Ron Paul delegates may not be informed. Some, may choose to vote for whoever they are bound to by their State through peer pressure. And I'm sure like the bunch of thugs they are (the gop establishment) will exert some pressure in Tampa.

So all the delegates need to be on the same page. If they all know legally they can not be bound to vote for somebody they don't believe in. Then their should be no need to "abstain" in the first round or anything. They should cast there vote for Ron Paul.

It seems now these delegates have done the hard work, they have to step up when the time comes. I do so hope this happens.. But I'm not counting my chickens till they hatch as I know the bitter taste of disappointment.

When delegates go to National they have more than one State

staying in the same hotel...most states. I'm sure people will be informing others.

Once people get to Tampa, do stealth delegates stay stealth until voting?...or does it matter once you get there?

I fear Ron Paul delegates may not be informed

You must be new here.

The most important thing

to Me that Mr. Swann said is that the GOP is a club/organization, by the time we reach Tampa it will be our club, the "New Old Republican Party", a party that intends to restore the Republic. Nice going Ben, you are the man!

The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it-Andrew Jackson

Can anyone say, first ballot

Can anyone say, first ballot victory!?


Hey, do you guys remember that time that OMFG WE JUST WON?!?!?!!





This is huge!

Maybe this is what Stossell, TMOT and Wead were trying to warn us about.

When this gets out, all Hell's gonna break loose with the MSM. Limbaugh, Levin, Orally, Hannity = #FREAKOUT!

Man, this is exciting!

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

O..M..G!!! It IS huge! We, if

O..M..G!!! It IS huge! We, if we can get to National, are going to be in a pressure cooker. Bring drills. I am so excited!!!! :)

They sure can try to leave this rule out, though, or rewrite it now it is exposed...

So... I'm gonna go ahead and start this now: BEN SWANN FOR PRESS



At one libertychat q&a

Ben was asked if he would like to be Paul's Press Sec... he replied that it was a nice idea, but he likes it better just reporting the news where no one else will.

So unless you got a darn good replacement for Ben, he wants to stay where he is and keep telling the truth.

Tales of Vesperia - Resolution of the People ~ from 'Ring a Bell'

Fair 'nuff. Then I just need to make a billion dollars and make

my own national Liberty News Network to compete with and eventually devour Faux and CNN, all with Ben as the main anchor. Done. :)


Good job, Ben. This is incredible news. Your research skills are second to none. How lucky we are to have your voice.

Someone from the DP got SLAMMED!!!!

hahahahaha.... Great Job Ben.

the Romney trolls are pinched

the Romney trolls are pinched tight....


Verification by RNC legal council? Helllloooooo President Paul!

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin


Don't you just love it when the RNC with neither foresight or hindsight keeps handing us these little gems. It is going to be an absolute joy watching them try to squirm out of the words of their own lawyers. I will not be at all surprised if they try to pull the "Oh, Um, Uh that was last time. This is different."


Utah in 2008...ohhh the irony runs deep on this one!

Utah delegates were not bound to McCain

Ben Swann is wrong on that issue and takes the comments of the RNC legal counsel out of context. Utah delegates were bound to Romney based on the primary vote (Romney got almost 90% there in the primary). The RNC recognized that and accepted that binding.

However, once Romney dropped out there was a question as to what would happen with the state's delegates. The state GOP committee decided to require the delegates to vote for McCain. This re-binding was protested by 1 or 2 delegates. The RNC responded to tell the Utah GOP that they weren't able to force those delegates to vote for someone else besides the person to whom they were originally bound. The RNC effectively overruled the state committee's re-binding. At the convention, there were still 34 of the 36 delegates that voted for McCain - but they were allowed to do that since they were actually unbound at that point. 2 voted for Romney, and they were allowed to do that.

Don't extrapolate from the RNC's comments to take them to mean that no delegate can ever possibly be bound. The RNC rules talk extensively about the rules for binding and how states can bind delegates. Rule 38 isn't a magic "ignore everything that we said in this entire document". It just makes it so delegates or state committees can't force otherwise unbound delegates to vote for a candidate that the majority of the delegation prefers or to automatically vote as a unit.

Shazzad is a Troll

He has publicly endorsed Romney, and I doubt he will be honest about his statements. Certainly hasn't showed any credible sources either with his statements. While we can see that Ben did show some credible sources....

Well, even if Shazzad

Well, even if Shazzad endorsed Romney that does not mean automatically that he cannot be right on this issue or at least have something important to be considered on this issue. At least he is right about the fact that Romney won Utah 2008 Primary with a landslide.
Source: http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/stat...

It's important to remember that even if Ben Swann is truly great journalist it does not mean that he cannot make mistakes.

I don't know if Shazzad above comment is true, but at least I would say it is possibly true or it might have some truth to it.

I hope that Ben Swann is right on this, but let's not follow him blindly before this issue has been well researched.

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

Ben said that McCain won Utah with 64% of the vote

That was the general election, though, and entirely irrelevant (so Ben was wrong). Romney destroyed him in the primary there and received all the bound delegates. The RNC told the state that they couldn't force them all to vote for McCain after Romney dropped out.