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May 10, 2012 Ben Swann Reality Check: All GOP Delegates Unbound at Tampa Convention

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That May Be What's Happening in Massachusetts

The Boston Globe at http://bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2012/05/10/romney-rules-b... is reporting that delegate abstention is a concern in Nevada, but that Massachusetts delegates are likely to vote for Romney. They quote a Worcester businessman and delegate who helped lead the pro-Paul movement:

“We like Ron Paul a lot, but Mitt Romney is our nominee," the delegates says. “We’re not going to abstain. I’ve had conversations with most of the delegates, and I’d say we’re of the same mind that it would be a horrible thing to show disunity at the convention."

Let's hope he's pulling a bluff.

Please give me a break

And you believe that right? Let's see if I have this right. Well I am a Romney delegate but I am a RP supporter. Now I can go to the National Convention and abstain from voting and there is nothing wrong with me doing that because the RNC says I can do that. But darn even thought I am a RP supporter I will still vote for Romney on the first round. Now stop and think at just how dumb that really sounds.

Ya' Think???

It's gotta' be a bluff tactic.

I hope so

But they will just get Obama for 4 more years. No one will vote for Mittens. The Paul people should have made sure all the people getting the delegate positions were hardcore supporters. Not wishy washy we are afraid of Obama for 4 more years types. Oh no the Obama 2nd term will be so awful blah blah blah. If it is Romney and Obama? I say bring on the second term and lets sink this ship full of rats. No to the neocons! lol

it's also at least partly..

because it's not just a GOP rule but Massachusetts state law that states that the delegates must vote for Romney. The state GOP also has rules that any candidate can challenge his/her own delegates. They have likely had to make a very strong commitment to the state committee to vote as required by state law, otherwise they would very possibly be replaced as delegates. Other states have different rules with different penalties (or none at all), but in Massachusetts it's extremely unlikely that the roll call vote in Tampa is anything but 41-0 for Romney, even though at least 16 are currently Paul supporters.

Pure garbage

I am a delegate from GA. I had to sign a form saying I would vote for Newt on the first round. I will go to the National Convention and vote RP on the first round and I would have done that even if Newt was the front runner. Why would I have done that? Because I know that my state can not do one thing about it if I did. Oh but they would just replace you at the National Convention. No they will not because I am at the NC and my state has no power there and the RNC says it is my vote and I can use it any way I see fit. What people need to get into their heads is the absolute fact that there are no "LAWS" there are no state laws period. It you still think so then go find me some case law where some one was prosecuted for jumping the tracks. Trust me you will be looking for a very long time.

In MA it is a state law

I don't know what the law is in Georgia.

It amazes me that the entire basis of the Ron Paul strategy at this point is to have people sign contracts with no intention of keeping them, and that somehow you think this is going to help your movement grow. The backlash is going to be massive and the GOP is going to close a lot of the loopholes that you're trying to take advantage of. Once delegates can't be trusted to keep their promises, states will just start to directly elect them or to have winning candidates pick them, and you're never going to be able to try this strategy again. Next time you'll have to get voters to come out and vote for your candidate. If I were a delegate and was bound to vote for Ron Paul, I'd vote for Ron Paul, because that would have been the commitment I made to my state, to my party, and to the voters I was representing.

You may be right on the President vote, Shazad...

... but it will be a different story on the procedural, Platform, and VP votes. Would you agree, Shazad?

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Yeah, certainly

All the other votes are open.

A national delegate

cannot be held to state party rules.

Vote your conscience.

he/she can when returning home

and he/she can absolutely be punished for breaking state law. In Massachusetts, it isn't just a club rule but a state law for them to vote according to their binding.


but you cant break a Massachusetts State Law in Tampa baby!! LOL

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

jurisdiction is not the same

jurisdiction is not the same as physical location

Normally, however, a state cannot have jurisdiction...

... over crimes committed outside its borders.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

normally? jurisdiction is not physical location, period.

what crime? there is no crime here.

there is a state chartered legal entity bound by state legislature statutes and people acting in capacities though that legal entity.

but this side issue has already taken too much time. thanks for the discussion.

Couple of points

1) Maybe we can get Ben Swan to review that?

2) If the penalty is a fine, I wouldn't be surprised if Ron Paul supporters donated to help that delegate who voted his/her conscience pay the fine.

It's very Likely to be Challenged..

..In the courts,and I don't believe it's EVER been done before.
Can a DWI Charge in Arizona result in a loss of a NYS Driver's license?
My Hunch:NO...it's based on previous experience with an insurance regulation..NJ & NY...and you can't be punished for offenses ocurring in another state.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

A similar situation like this occurred in 1976....

Though not exactly the SAME situation. This was with respect to Electoral College votes. One of the Electoral College delegates from the State of Washington cast his vote for Ronald Reagan instead of for Gerald Ford (to whom he was committed to vote).

As a result of this, the State of Washington passed a law making it a FELONY for any Electoral college elector to vote contrary to the candidate to whom he is bound to vote.

That being said, this so far as I know, only applies to Electoral College electors, and not to RNC delegates. And only those in Washington. I doubt if any states has CRIMINAL statutes against voting contrary to our "bound status" at the RNC.

However, if we wish to live in a world where people will trust us, those of us who are bound should keep our pledges. To do otherwise would discredit Ron Paul and the R3volution.

We can still gain a lot of mileage by swaying the multitude of unbound delegates.


Where do I donate

I would help that cause in a hot minute

41-0 for the Bully Crook???

Ha! I'm originally from Massachusetts, and I'm going to bet that the Bay Staters have it in them to buck the system. By the time they get to the convention, breathe a little of that warm, sunny Florida air, intermingle with other RP delegates from all over the country, and get a few pointers from the RP Committee, my hunch is that there will be options available that render Massachusetts either for RP or, at worst, split closer to the middle. After all, Massachusetts was one of the original revolutionary states. The Spirit of '76 runs deep in those parts.

considering that more than half of the delegates...

Considering that more than half of the 41 in the delegation are going to be true Romney supporters, and the Paul delegation will be somewhere between 16 and 18, it's going to be quite hard for there to be a majority for Paul at the national convention.

What's that phrase..

I can't quite remember. Knowledge is energy? Knowledge is strong? Knowledge is something...

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"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government." - Thomas Paine

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I just beamed a smile that

I just beamed a smile that may end up bringing about world peace. And it has nothing to do with this news.

A liberty-oriented journalist who doesn't kowtow to MSM foolishness is actively engaged in the dialogue presented on this liberty-oriented community of Paul supporters and informers. When we use DP (amongst other sources) like this, we really get to the bottom of this shit. Use of this site alongside independent research TRULY allows us to refine our arguments and reach an understanding of how to make big things happen in this race. After seeing this collaboration, my faith in our power as a grassroots movement has been reborn (not to imply that it ever went away!). Keep it up, we have an unbelievable amount of momentum right now!!! Nothing can stop this "brushfire of freedom in the minds of men" we have created.

It's time to work even HARDER. You know they're getting worried, as exemplified by their sudden change in attitude towards our candidate. The behavior change from ignoring us to fighting us is so telling in how this election is going, and it means we're on the verge of bringing this thing home. This is OUR fight, and it's our fight to win.

The...change from ignoring us to fighting us is so telling...

Let me repeat your key phrase for emphasis:


Bottom Line

At the end of the day, we can have Mickey Mouse as the GOP candidate. The delegates can vote for ANYONE, no matter what.


voting for micky
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Delegate Momentum.

"Delegate Momentum." Perfect. Thank you, Mr. Swann.

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This just confirms to me we live

This just confirms to me we live in America, a representative Republic, and not a mob-acracy run by the media elite and money.

God save America! God bless. Amen.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Hold that Thought!

We still have a way to go, and -- until we get the nomination and then the While House -- anything can happen to blow the "Republic" paradigm outta' the water. You are wise to hold a positive outlook. The nature of our Republic is delicate and special. It is definitely OURS to cherish and protect.