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May 10, 2012 Ben Swann Reality Check: All GOP Delegates Unbound at Tampa Convention



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Delegates:

Do not be afraid to vote for Ron Paul. Don't be scared to make your voices heard! I know that none of you will go through all that you have gone through just to get to Tampa and then clam up. I know that you are braver than that.

We are not going to fold up due to the underhanded tactics of the mafia GOP. There are questions about whether the required 1144 delegates will decrease if not everyone votes. Then don't abstain! Vote for Ron Paul! You are not bound. This is just a tactic to keep you from voting for Ron Paul on the first ballot. You will be cursing yourself for the rest of your life if you help Mitt Romney to defeat the honorable statesman we support.

Please don't let them scare you into not voting for the candidate you have passionately supported from the beginning. This is a revolution. Vote for Ron Paul on every ballot!! Vote for Ron Paul!

John F

PREPARE FOR BATTLE PATRIOTS!

So here it is. You've all heard clearly, and you've all heard plainly. According to their own party rules, Not a single one of you who are delegates are bound to vote for anyone. Contrary to what the media tells you. What we must do is continue to get the delegates from the state conventions and bring them all the way to Tampa. DO NOT fall for the intimidation from the establishment. This is a Democracy we're using and abiding by the rules in order to restore our Republic and end this Empire!

There will be threats towards you all. They will try to keep you from entering the convention. Do what you must, but MAKE SURE you get into the National Convention! Wear your Ron Paul buttons, and caps and whatever else. They cannot neglect you a seat at the convention! The fastest way to destroy a dictatorship is to force it to behave as a dictator.

Everyone who will be in Tampa Bay supporting Ron Paul who are not delegates, be sure to MAKE A LOT OF NOISE outside the building... With GUSTO! They will have no choice but to cover the huge crowds (and may have in fact planned to do so), so bring LOTS of Ron Paul signs so the media can't use your massive numbers to spin and make the public believe you are there supporting Mitt Romney!

This is a game of kings' chess, let's show them we know how to play it!

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government." - Thomas Paine

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As a delegate from GA

i will be at the National Convention. I will wear so much RP stuff that I will probably not be able to walk. Here is the good thing. If we get a feeding frenzy started then we may be able to pull the real Romney supporters away from Romney. I mean after all they are not truly satisfied with him in the first place.

Nice one, Gandalf

The Siege of Gondor is about to commence.

Gandalf = Ron Paul!

Gandalf = Ron Paul!

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government." - Thomas Paine

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no computers

Since this is going to make it much easier to win the nom, I think we need a nation wide push to ban voting machines and only use paper ballots and have supporters from both candidates count them

Occupy Bilderberg 2012 Arrest em all

I think

We should go caucus only hand raising vote, with required floor time for candidates and open debate from select voters.

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One thing is for sure...

If in any way, we are cheated out of anything to where it's blatantly obvious at the convention... This revolution that we've been a part of... It's gonna get F'ing real and quick. Our peaceful demeanor will no longer be a peaceful one. I could honestly see rioting in the streets if anything fishy transpires.

We all know that nobody wants that, but if we have gone through the process (especially those going toTampa) are slighted in any way, I foresee bad things happening.

that wont happen

because I foresee us winning 14 more states this month!!! LETS GO RON PAUL!!

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

Just a reminder.....

Remember, Tampa, Florida is going to be 95 degrees during the convention and a good 70% humidity. People are already going to be hot, sweaty and cranky. Keep your cool. Make sure to dress in business, but breathable attire. You northerners need not bring your winter suits. We will be picking you up off the pavement and sending you to the ER for hydration if you do. Always have a water bottle. We don't want to burn through alternates because you collapse on the street in downtown Tampa.

Good thing

Good things there will be A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE! WOOT WOOT

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"When peaceful protest is

"When peaceful protest is impossible, violent revolution is inevitable" - JFK

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government." - Thomas Paine

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WHAT IS THIS???!?!?

This guy is investigating and reporting on facts?

This is certainly not "news" as I have known it through my lifetime.

I don't know what this is but I like it.

The rnc could just overule

The rnc could just overule the delegate's votes. I'm pretty sure that their rules aren't legally binging.

"Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear." - Benjamin Franklin

if this were possible, one

if this were possible, one thing is for sure. if they do it there's absolutely ZERO chance of them winning against Obama. Romney would become the laughing stock of the general election and a perfect target for Obamas sarcastic antics. Also, who would trust a party that would cheat someone out of a win? Anyone who was even considering voting for Romney would be scared away. so it wont happen. they may try to pull some shenanigans. but they wont overrule a Ron Paul victory.

Possible

It is possible and it is not cheating! It is a republic. http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawaken...

And they do this

how?

You have got to be kidding me

that we are in the middle of a revolution, one that challenges thousands of existing laws, procedures on a global scale no less...And people are concerned about "getting in trouble." Make no mistake, NO ONE CAST THEIR VOTE for Romney. Also why would anyone be concerned about being thrown out of the convention as a reason not to do what is best for paul? If the GOP starts kicking out delegates to deter the Paul vote then you know what? Ron Paul supporters leave the GOP. So who would care if you got thrown out? Comeon people, get a grip. We are fighting for individual freedoms to do what we choose, so it would be a pretty bad start if we let someone else dictate our votes. GOP made these rules so they can dictate who is elected, now that they have lost power over that the only chance they have is to scare people. Oh and by the way when the GOP says if they don't vote for who they are supposed to they will go to alternates. Who has the most of those? Yes, Ron Paul.

Lastly, finally got the daily paul login to work and I am very happy to be able to join the great people on this board I have been following for months.

You have got to be kidding me

Sorry duplicate message, double click

Wouldn't that be sweet justice?

Someone may have mentioned it already - but the clarification that delegates can't be bound was made because a Mitt Romney supporter from Utah demanded to vote for him! And, now it will bite him in the ass?! Classic!

right in the ass!

right in the ass!

JB4LBRTY!

Looking good!! :-)

There is no obligation (or legal right!) on the RNC to enforce rules of local State parties regarding bound or unbound delegates. That much is clear. Ms. Sheehan's and Ben's pieces back that up.

There may be a moral or possibly more quasi-legal obligation on delegates to obey State party policy. But as there seems to be no rule in any State Party that sets out a penalty clause (except maybe in a very vague "acting against the interests of the party" sort of line??) then I can't see how any State will be able to enforce a "bound delegates" policy.

Yet even then it is not a criminal matter. It would not affect the final Tampa result. Looking good for the Good Doctor!!! :-)

Wrong breber

The State Party is not affiliated with the state government.
The Federal government is not affiliated with the RNC
So this is not a states rights issue

Edit: added breber, this was supposed to be a reply to that post

I was making an analogy

About how "Conservatives" tout States' Rights. The concept of the RNC rules trumping State GOP rules is akin to our federal government trumping State government.

You did good

.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Pretty sure

He was just using an analogy. If you ask me, it worked perfectly.

Clarification on Abstaining please!

I believe this was mentioned (although somewhat loosely) in another thread. Abstaining on the first round is not an actual vote. To secure nomination you need 50% + of the total vote. 1144 delegates are needed assuming that all delegates actually vote.

If all the Paul supporting delegates abstain from voting then Romney would command greater than 50% of the actual votes. This means he could win on the first ballot by getting less than 1144 votes.

Is this correct? Or is the 1144 a hard number that must be acquired, regardless of the percent of votes acquired?

I believe

that the 1144 number is the majority threshold if all delegates show up. Maybe this is just typical assuming by the MSM which just would be saying there are supposed to be 2288 total delegates so someone has to get 1144 to get half. So while, I am not 100% positive, if a few hundred don't show up then maybe that number is lower?

From what Ben says, it doesn't matter

If a delegate can't be bound - there is no reason to abstain. You vote for Paul from the get-go. To me, this means there is no counting of delegates before the convention. (but, of course, there is some rule about having a plurality of delegates from 5 states - so they would have to be counted somehow)

(I didn't read all the comments in the thread - so, not sure if other points have been brought up)

Rule 40d requires a majority of the votes entitled to be cast,

not a majority of the votes actually cast.

http://www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf