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May 10, 2012 Ben Swann Reality Check: All GOP Delegates Unbound at Tampa Convention

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Isn't it pretty much up to the Committee on the day of?

I mean that's what I would think anyway. Even if they flip flop on this, they can't force you to vote for Romney. Abstaining is as good as voting for Paul, essentially, unless they report accurate numbers from Texas, in which case we have a real chance to turn this into a first-round win if this is upheld. Only time will tell though, vote for Paul if you can but keep abstaining in the back of your mind if that fails.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

So

Now here is a question. Suppose that the RNC gets hung up on say one and can't make a choice. Would the states be able to call out their delegates overnight and recall them to switch more faithful delegates into their place for having broken the state rule?

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Well Damn, it looks like if I

Well Damn, it looks like if I make it to Tampa I will need two plane tickets. One for me and one for my lawyer cuz NO WAY I am voting for anyone but Paul...

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." -Benjamin Franklin

Little Elm, Tx

Better to use specialists in this area.

You would be better off with a Professional parliamentarian.

In my opinion, it would be a good idea find out if the Campaign has parliamentarians available for delegate consultation. If not, it may be worth organising something at grassroots level.

https://parliamentarians.org/professionals.php

No crime involved

So save your money on that lawyer

"...And to the REPUBLIC, for which it stands..."

Thanks. An enlightening and heartening report.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Ron Paul needs to bring a group of experts

and lawyers to the convention.I'm sure big buck Romney
will have his people there.

Is It Possible Ron Paul Knew This All Along....

I suspect Dr. Paul and his advisors, attorneys and staff may have known about this months ago and as a result formulated the current "Delegate Strategy" knowing his grassroot support would have a "BIG ADVANTAGE"..

If this is true, not making this information public may have been the play of all time.

I'm not going to give anyone credit just yet, but, weather or not it was known back then or not, this strategy just may work and sink Romulan in Tampa..

Hopefully, all those committed Ron Paul delegates bound to Romney, Santorum and Gingrich must be made aware of what is in Ben Swann's Reality Check video...and come out supporting Ron Paul..

We shall see how it all plays out..

The delegate process is one way of neutralizing any amount of vote fraud committed during the primaries and caucuses. It is designed to ensure that delegates representing "THE PEOPLE" are in control of the election process and not any political party or special interests..

Go Ron Paul!

Peace..

Actually it's designed to

Actually it's designed to make sure that delegates representing the hard-working PARTY MEMBERS, including both rank-and-file and persistent functionaries, have control of the NOMINATION process. THE PEOPLE get their turn in the general election.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Is It Possible Ron Paul Knew This All Along....

I suspect Dr. Paul and his advisors, attorneys and staff may have known about this months ago and as a result formulated the current "Delegate Strategy" knowing his grassroot support would have a "BIG ADVANTAGE"..

If this is true, not making this information public may have been the play of all time.

I'm not going to give anyone just yet, but, weather or not it was known back then or not, this just may work and sink Romulan in Tampa..

Hopefully, all those committed Ron Paul delegates bound to Romney, Santorum and Gingrich must be made aware of what is in Bens video...

The delegate process is one way of neutralizing any amount of vote fraud committed during the primaries and caucuses. It is designed to ensure that delegates representing "THE PEOPLE" are in control of the election process and not any political party or special interests..

Go Ron Paul!

Peace..

Yes, that's what it looks

Yes, that's what it looks like to me. This information has been buried and kept secret for a long time. Ron Paul probably didn't want to let it out of the bag too early, because look what they're doing now, and it would have been far worse at the beginning of the primary season before Ron Paul had been at least somewhat vindicated. They are trying to make it sound like this is just a relic, like this system is bad and he is abusing "arcane" laws to sneak in. But that's not true! The system was designed to work EXACTLY like this! It is NOT a democracy! It's a republic! And mob rule is a bad thing, not good! Luckily, as even the WA times admitted recently, it is too late to stop the delegate strategy!

Ron Paul has a great shot at this nomination. There is a very real path before us. Don't give up :D

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

Yep

Hopefully we didn't screw it up! I think that there is enough legal precedent and verbiage in the rules like rule 38 to say delegates can vote their conscience.

If delegates are bound then why even have them?

on the flip side...

If delegates can't be bound, then why is the entire RNC rules document about how/when delegates can be bound? They could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by turning in a two line document:

"States, you have a certain number of delegates - do whatever you want in order to pick them. Delegates, vote however you want."

Unbound Delegates!

Yea baby! I was told as im a delegate in Michigan that I HAD to VOTE Romney! by my republican hack.. anywho, our Convention is May 18th! and im hoping all the other DELEGATES SEE THIS@! GO RON PAUL!

Let's be careful. Don't tell

Let's be careful. Don't tell them you might vote Paul, or else you may be unseated before you get there.

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FACTUALLY INACCURATE

I would think Ben Swan would do some homework before he reports. I have no idea where he got that McCain got all but one delegate in Utah or that he won with 60%, that is ABSURD and COMPLETELY INACCURATE. He can NOT have been talking about Utah. Mitt Romney won Utah 264,956 to 15,931 (yes, even after Romney had dropped out...so don't get your hopes up for Paul in my state of Utah lol)... Romney took all 36 delegates with absolutely no contest. Mitt Romney had almost 90% of the vote. To think McCain even came close is a hoot. WHERE did you get this completely bogus info? WHY did not you check the basic, BASIC facts before publishing to the masses? THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Republican_primary,_2008

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

general election results?

McCain did win Utah in the general election (vs. Obama) with 62%, maybe he's looking at those numbers for some reason. It is a bit strange

"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him?" -Thomas Jefferson

I can see that being a

I can see that being a mistake you made in a first draft :/

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

"Unwilling to abide the will

"Unwilling to abide the will of the delegates they did an end run, called a meeting of the State Central Committee and and passed a rule such that Utah’s national delegates were now bound to vote for John McCain in the first round."

http://utahcountygop.com/blog/mr-jenkins-goes-to-st-paul/
The Story of the man referred to in the video.

Did you actually read your link?

The 2008 Utah Republican primary took place on February 5, 2008, with 36 national delegates.[1] Polls showed Mitt Romney leading at up to 85% of the vote.[2]

On August 23, 2008 the Utah Republican party adopted a standing rule effectively binding the delegates to John McCain for the first ballot at the National Convention (as Romney had withdrawn).

ROMNEY WITHDREW SO ALL WERE BOUND TO MCCAIN.

"The world is a dynamic mess of jiggling things, if you look at it right." - Richard Feynman

I understand that occurred,

I understand that occurred, how that has anything to do with what I said is beyond me. He quoted completely bogus numbers about the primary. He said that McCain won with over 60%.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

You're right.

Ben says McCain won with 62% of the vote (at 2:45 in the video) which is correct if you're talking about the General Election.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elec...
But not true in the primary (Mcain got 5.38%). The screen says "McCain won 62 percent of the vote in the Primary..." Which as you pointed out is false. Thanks for pointing out this inaccuracy. Maybe Mr. Swann will correct himself in the next video.

"The world is a dynamic mess of jiggling things, if you look at it right." - Richard Feynman

You are correct this is

You are correct this is inaccurate. He needs to be accurate in his reports. He usually gets the bulk of the information right with one gaff. This one can't even be claimed as misspeaking because he had text onscreen saying McCain took 60%. Where did he get that from?

The problem is....

Even if Paul amasses 500-600 delegates plus a few more stealth delegates, there's no guarantee the Santorum and Gingrich folks will side with their guy or the Revolution to block Romney on the first vote. If Ben Swann is right, the other camps delegates would also then be "free agents" as well on the first vote, and we know in sports they tend to go to the highest bidder. So Gingrich and Santorum delegates may cave to the pressure and or to the incentives offered to help Team Romney in the end. The Paul camp has to get as close to 1144 as possible on its own, because you can't count on Santorum and Gingrich camps with full confidence that they'll help block Romney on the first or subsequent votes on the floor of the convention.

I'm not worried about Ron

I'm not worried about Ron Paul getting 1144. He probably won't first round, but that's okay. Think about how hard it will be for Mitt Romney to get his required delegates. They say he has 900, but that is a blatant lie, because by those numbers they are giving him a majority of delegates in states we KNOW Ron Paul won. There are only about 8 or 10 states left, not exactly sure, but only a few of them are winner-take-all. So Romney has no chance to take all the delegates from most of them. He has a long way to go.

Texas and Cali will be huge. I think Ron Paul could have a real chance in Texas, and that momentum would almost certainly give him huge numbers if not a win in Cali as well. Thing is, even if they cheat him or he legitimately loses, Paul should see a good amount of delegates from each, thereby denying them to Romney.

There's very few states left for Romney's brute force plan while Paul's less direct strategy is still racking up more and more, which only take away from Romney's supposed delegate count.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

Most of the remaining states

Most of the remaining states are primaries, only 2 caucuses. So, we need to watch that. There may not be as many available to win as we think. I hope all this is 100% correct, but I'm worried that we have to do VERY well in the remaining states to win...not just at conventions...If I'm wrong, someone clear this up...

on the current trajectory....

If future state voting results are at all in line with recent results (Romney has won 100% of the counties in the 8 states voting on 4/24 and 5/8, and all by significant margins, with an average win of around 65% to 15%), then based on the states remaining and their binding rules, Romney is on a trajectory to gain between 400 and 500 BOUND delegates from the states that have not voted yet. His bound delegate count, by itself, will be over 1144. That doesn't factor in the many unbound who will choose to vote for him, and the many superdelegates that will as well. It also doesn't factor in Santorum and Gingrich voters that may vote for him.

Without changing the course of future primaries and Ron Paul starting to win them, it will be pretty much physically impossible to keep Romney below the threshold (or really even that close to the threshold). There will, by necessity, need to be a very large number of stealth Paul supporters placed as Romney delegates. There's just no other way to make the math work without winning primaries and Paul getting these delegates bound to him and not Romney.

Yes, we do have to do very

Yes, we do have to do very well in the states that are remaining....so I hope everyone will donate what they can today!

Wow

Now that's nice to wake up to on a Friday morning!

Happy Friday!

Nothin' like Ben Swann's good news in the morning. This man's status needs to be upgraded. If only we can get Ben a permanent position to replace O'Reilly...

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