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May 10, 2012 Ben Swann Reality Check: All GOP Delegates Unbound at Tampa Convention




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Is this actually good news? What about Santorum?

I can't say whether this is actually good news, since now Santorum and Gingrich delegates might also vote for Romney.

Therefore making it more difficult for Paul.

Or not?

I think it's good news. Here's why:

Let's face it. We at the DP are awakened, and for the most part have removed the veil of deceit from our eyes.

But most of the delegates (as well as great masses of people) are still brainwashed by the media.

But that is rapidly changing thanks to the Internet, and Dr. Paul's success.

My point is that compared to Nov 2011, there are millions more awakened Americans. I would venture to say that there has been a significant change in people's hearts and minds, towards Ron Paul, over the last 90-120 days.

What this means is that lots of Romney, Gingrich, and Frothy delegates have figured out, "Hey, now that I've looked a little at what Ron Paul is saying, he makes sense!"

As time goes by, SHIFT HAPPENS.

So right now (not to mention wait a few more weeks and months), many "bound" delegates have gotten wiser, and will vote for the champion of the Constitution.

And IF the Grinch's and Santy's delegates stick with their guy, that is STILL good for us, as it will prevent Romney from getting the magic number.

Anybody agree with my analysis?

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

If they really have many delegates it might

I doubt Gingrich and Santorum actually have many delegates who actually support him. They might have a lot of Ron Paul supporters who think they are only bound to vote for them just like the majority of Romney delegates in Massachusettes.

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It doesn't matter, imo

If we keep doing our job and fighting on teh state level, the numbers will take care of themselves.

I've been wondering about

I've been wondering about their delegates! But on the otherhand, whose delegates are they?

A MUST WATCH FOR ALL THE SLEEPING SHEEPLE!

THANKS FOR THE EXCELLENT 'REAL' STORY!

FRONT PAGE -the week prior to the National RNC and during it

This need to be the TOP video on DP in my opinion. By doing this, the people at tampa can directly point "non-paul", "on the fence" and the ignorant delegates to the reality of thier actual ability.

***Can you imagine seeing all the ipods, ipads blackberries and all the other mobile media devices on the floor looking at the DAILYPAUL for the TRUTH of the matter?***

Wow - in the RNC's own words

This is the best weapon to use - taking someone's own words, actions, books & records, minutes, etc against them. What can they say ?

It looks like the delegates are unbound after all

When Mass as a state delegation votes against Mitt Romney at the convetion - that's going to be a moment

LOL

Bump

Thumbs up for Benn Swann - the guy has done awesome work throughout

I Hope...

I am not the only one doing a Happy Dance!

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

My pick

Ben Swann for Press Secretary

How about John Stossel?

Maybe Secretary of State?

Freedom is my Worship Word!

What about the 1144?

We won't even have a chance for a brokered convention if Romney gets that number right? By my calculations, there are 638 delegates left in states that have yet to vote. Romney has AT LEAST 825. So, if we win HALF of the 638, 319...Romney will still, on the exact digit, get 1144. So we have to win more than 50% of the remaining delegates, this isn't including delegates from previous states that Romney could still win as well.

I'm NOT being a debbie downer...BUT I WILL NOT get my hopes up for some B.S.

What say you?

I'm at work...and I can't watch the video...HELP?

WRONG

Here is the count - ROMNEY 312 | PAUL 110 (as of this moment and it is about to get better this weekend!...read on...)

http://www.thereal2012delegatecount.com/

THE NOTE FROM BEN SWANN (WXIX) ABOUT THE COUNT PROCESS ON THIS SITE...

"Actually it is really not that complicated. ..." go to the site for the rest...

Being at work, you can't read all the posts and comments, so

I'll repeat it for you. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the numbers are before the convention. It still has to happen in Tampa. As someone else has said, we should push through to get as many delegates as we can. The larger the majority, the smoother the convention will go. (and we can elect our own chairman)

Nice one smart ass. See when

Nice one smart ass. See when I posted that, I was the ONLY one asking this question. Furthermore, I said we need to push and get as many as we can, and that this news shouldn't, yet could deter our efforts. I'm just hoping that you aren't all breathing in the rainbows and sunshine and overlooking something that's going to sink our movement.

I'm looking out for US. So people need to stop being rude. Or, I've got an idea, let's be like Romney's people and be blind to what's really happening. I'll leave the tough questions alone.

I HOPE this is as good as it seems. I'm just looking for some answers. The real delegate count yesterday said he had 825, now it says 324 or something. The change wasn't my fault and was accurate when I asked the question, and is likely still accurate. How much influence do we actually have in PRIMARY states??? It's not like we've seen with the caucuses. And there are only 2 of those left.

Wake up people. This may be closer, and farther than you think, all at the same time.

Was the 'smart ass' for me?

I know sometimes the posts don't line up the way we intended. I'm lost as to why you thought I was being smart with you. I know how it is to read these boards at work and you said you were at work and couldn't see the video. I also don't remember who asked whether it would grant Mitt the nomination if he had 1144 delegates simply by the media or party's numbers. If it was you, so that I gave you the same answer twice, then excuse me.
I was in no way trying to insult you. I regret that you seemed to think I was.

I had SEVERAL smart ass

I had SEVERAL smart ass responses from SEVERAL different people. When you said since you couldn't READ the post, when I put "watch the video", it seemed smart ass...especially when followed with I'll repeat it for you, like you had to tell me once.

Rough day for me, so I'm a little impatient right now. Sorry for being so jumpy.

Another frustrating thing is that I feel like I'm asking a good question...and I'm not getting an answer. I understand the delegates are not what the MAINSTREAM media says, but Romney is beating us in delegates. From what I gathered originally, by quite a bit.

I'll admit I'm uneducated when it comes to state conventions in primary states. So, I'll ask...How does that process work? My understanding is that it's not NEARLY as easy for us to win big in primary states as it is in caucus states....

If someone can reasonably show Romney won't have the 1144, then please do. If that wouldn't matter, please explain....

Furthermore, I think those are different circumstances than what we are dealing with...I highly doubt they will let us "vote our conscience", even though THAT is what a republic is. It would restore my faith in this country to a very large extent if we made this happen.

No

You are assuming that his current count is real. That is a HUGE assumption, and is more likely not true.

All of those delegates are assumed to be voting for Mitt based upon popular vote. Poll "Mitt's supporters" on the RNC floor in August and see the truth!

Delegates are more savvy than...

...most of the Sheeple.

Of all Americans, they are infinitely more politically astute, and it is my hope that many of these will have lights coming on and converting to Liberty, or at least many of them voting for candidates other than Romney.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

Stop getting caught up with numbers

Nobody has anything. Our job is to get as many RP leaning delegates to the convention. Let the campaign handle the sticky legal/rules stuff - and have faith that they know what their end game is even if we don't. This is but one battle in a much larger war. RP getting the nomination is but one battle in the larger war. Yes - a big battle - but only one none the less. Look at ME, NV, Iowa - liberty minded people have taken over the party in these states and others. These changes in the fundamental structure of the party will endure much longer and effect more people than the presidency can. Perhaps Ron understands this - he has been around long enough. Nobody comes to a fundamental change in ideology because of a president - if anything the presidency polarizes people against an ideology - just look at the mess we are in now in Washington. Obama has tried to ram socialism down our throats - and even his supporters have rejected it and rejected him.

It is about getting people to NOT be afraid of openly supporting liberty. To NOT be afraid to stand on true moral fiber - not the BS PC morality being shoved down our throats. Just think of the personal ridicule Ron has endured over the course of 30 years. The jeers, the laughing, the open hostility. Look back at 08 when the MSM hacks and his opponents openly laughed at him in debates.
He never wavered, he never faltered - he always stood by his beliefs - and he did it with class and dignity. That is true courage. He is truly on of god's shepherds here on earth. I think he understands that he is but a shepherd - not a savior -and he is humbly growing his flock.
This is what you should get your hopes up for - the oval office is not the end game. Freedom and Liberty are. Restoring this once great nation - that's what I get my hopes up for.

1144 votes in the first round

That's the key point about 1144. The media will tell you he has it all wrapped up if he wins every primary and caucus from here until the end. But until those delegates actually do a vote at the RNC, the media is just blowing smoke. They can only guess based on allocation of primary and caucus votes, but the reality is in the actual delegate process.

So, in theory, if Romney had won 100% of delegates based on the primaries and caucuses from January to June, but Paul has his supporters selected in over 50% of the delegates sent to the RNC, then Paul, based on what Ben says in the video, can actually win.

SERIOUS research needs to be done to confirm 1144# doesn't hold

I hope you are right...but I'm not holding my breath until I research this more. This would mean ALL the bound and unbound talk we have heard...for so long...has NO bearing. Do I put it past the media to manipulate that fact? No. Does it make MORE sense to have the delegates vote their concious...yes...It's a republic. Idk. Way too good to be true.

The numbers I presented are not guesses...They are the final numbers, not including what is STILL up for grabs. That's how many BOUND delegates he has.

Correction

The media is attributing to Romney many delegates that are not bound. Maine delegates were not bound, yet Romney was attributed far more than the one he actually received.

Romney lost 11 delegates (if I remember correctly) from Maine. If only half of that applies as an average to the other 35 states, subtract another 150 delegates from Romney's posted totals.

The question is whether Ron Paul grassroots has been strong and active in ALL states. If we haven't heard from them in a particular state, however, thats a bad assumption.

Given the total number of people attending his speeches, I wouldn't be surprised if he has widespread support in states like California, Illinois and Texas. Whether they are delegates we won't know until the state conventions. Remember there are ALWAYS establishment delegates ready to fill a state delegation. They comprise the local, county, district and state GOP members, and they generally are filled with the lust of getting a sweet job in Washington (like the former GOP chair in Alaska).

The solution is more canvassing, soliciting more donations, and in the states yet to vote, canvass, canvass, canvass and canvass some more! Get the feet on the street and garner votes for Dr. Paul. That is the path to the nomination!

The sources I used to figure my point didn't give Romney....

The delegates he hasn't won absolutely. Only what he has 100%. The unbound and the delegates still to be won were not included. Which is why I'm worried.

SERIOUS research needs to be done to confirm 1144# doesn't hold

I hope you are right...but I'm not holding my breath until I research this more. This would mean ALL the bound and unbound talk we have heard...for so long...has NO bearing. Do I put it past the media to manipulate that fact? No. Does it make MORE sense to have the delegates vote their concious...yes...It's a republic. Idk. Way too good to be true.

The numbers I presented are not guesses...They are the final numbers, not including what is STILL up for grabs. That's how many BOUND delegates he has.

Here You Go

http://ivn.us/2012/05/16/a-first-ballot-rebellion-in-tampa/

If the RNC says that delegates can vote for whomever they choose irregardless of state law, and the Supreme Court has held state laws unConstitutional that attempt to do otherwise, the binding seems to have no enforceable effect.

But

If the delegates are not bound then can Romney really say if he has 1144 or just 11? Will they have to take a 'delegate vote' to see if he has the 1144 or would they just SAY he has the 1144?

They have to take the roll call, regardless of the estimates.

They can't just say, "Welcome, Delegates. Now join me in greeting the Republican nominee, Mitt Romney with 1145 delegates". Even so, we need to elect a good chairman. If we can't do that, we won't have the numbers to nominate Ron.

BIG QUESTION

Who really knows. I don't like you all getting your hopes up about this...does no one else feel like this is TOO good to be true? We need to maximize our efforts to win the rest of these delegates...not celebrate and get sloppy...which I fear this may do...I'd still like to stop Romney from getting 1144...to be safe if nothing else. You know they'll "say it" and it will become so...

I've seen stories recently of it happening in the Democraps

ranks too. It is true.

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