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What would happen to Congress, if we did this?

Not too big of a Buffet fan, but someone sent me this and I think there are more than a few valid points..what do you think?

Warren Buffett, in a recent interview with CNBC, offers one of the best quotes about the debt ceiling:

"I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC. "You just
pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more
than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible
for re-election.

The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds)
took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple!
The people demanded it. That was in 1971 - before computers, e-mail,
cell phones, etc.

Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took one (1) year
or less to become the law of the land - all because of public pressure.

Warren Buffet is asking each addressee to forward this email to
a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask
each of those to do likewise.

In three days, most people in The United States of America will
have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed
around.
Congressional Reform Act of 2012

1. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no
pay when they're out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social
Security.

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the
Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into
the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the
American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all
Americans do.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise.
Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and
participates in the same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the
American people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void
effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this
contract with Congressmen/women.

Congress made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in
Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers
envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their
term(s), then go home and back to work.

If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will
only take three days for most people (in the U.S.) to receive
the message. Don't you think it's time?

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This list has been circulated several times on DP and it

doesn't get any smarter for doing so.

Please search here on DP for it. You'll find my thorough debunking of it. It looks good on the surface and sounds good over the water cooler, but a mere cursory glance will show it was initially thought up by someone who doesn't know what is going on.

Buffet's idea sounds great at first, but there are many potential problems with it - most importantly, it would be an unconstitutional law. You'd have to make it an amendment, and then why the arbitrary 3%? We'd be stuck with perpetual 3% deficits for all eternity!

72 ÷ 3 = 24 - that means the debt will DOUBLE every 24 years - GUARANTEED. (do you really think Congress would run a LOWER deficit if they don't have to?)

This is a banker and debt buyers DREAM.

No, you bring an end to profligate spending by putting a penalty on violating the oath of office, and by electing intelligent people who understand the limitations of Article I § 8 to office.

It wouldn't hurt to add an amendment to require a super majority 3/4th's vote to spend over revenue though like the Articles of Confederation had.

As well, a shift to direct apportioned taxes would squelch the impetus for largess being doled out of the public treasury. Direct Apportioned taxes are also a simple - pay-as-you-go scheme without debt financing.

what happen

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lbtbruce

Great.

Diminish congress and privatize the Treasury by assimilating it with the Fed and change the name of the Fed to “The US Treasury” and there’s your smaller government.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...

How about the state

How about the state governments chose who to send to Congress instead of having socialism and democracy? Why do we vote for these offices directly when they could be delegated to the states?... we are "The United STATES" afterall.

Would this be too unrealistic. I'm aware that there was a time when U.S. senators were appointed, and George Washington was appointed...

It used to work that way. The House was elected publicly. But

the Senate was selected by the State Legislatures.

The problem here is the 17th amendment.

As well, apportionment of Representatives is all out of whack.

We need to adopt a revised Article the First and set an upper cap on how large Congressional districts can be. The Founders determined something in the 50,000 to 60,000 range was the proper upper limit to preserve liberty and good government. We are currently in the 500,000 - 1million+ range now.

The arbitrary limitation of the SIZE of the House membership at 435 has been an unmitigated disaster.

The issue isn't how many representatives there are, the issue is how small are Congressional Districts?

The previous Amendments occured prior to

the brainwashing operation, aka the right vs left false paradigm matrix, that has Americans divided more than ever. Until, this Matrix is broken with the election of Dr Paul as President, there is no chance of anything like this being passed. No Unity, No Amendments! Haven't you noticed all the anti-Romney radio-CONS are now his personal attack dogs? It's now any body, except Dr Paul of course, than Obama.

The "two" party system

Here is a great short video to show people who are not aware of how they are being played by the "two" party system http://www.dailypaul.com/232752/the-jones-plantation

I think you will enjoy it!

What would happen?

Congress might would actually get something done!

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

The only problem is...

that the Congress will ignore the people, knowing full well that most voters are 'sheeple' and will not actively try to vote them out of office. Of course Liberty party people will, but until we have the numbers (who knows how long that will take) Congress will keep on draining the coffers.

Well

They were. But I think the times are a chagnin.