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Does The United States exist in two forms?

I've done extensive research into this matter and it seems to me that The United States exists in two forms: The original United States that was in operation until 1860; a collection of sovereign Republics in the union. Under the original Constitution the States controlled the Federal Government; the Federal Government did not control the States and had very little authority.

The original United States has been usurped by a separate and different UNITED STATES formed in 1871, which only controls the District of Columbia and its territories, and which is actually a corporation (the UNITED STATES CORPORATION) that acts as our current government.

The United States Corporation operates under Corporate/Commercial/Public Law rather than Common/Private Law.

The original Constitution was never removed; it has simply been dormant since 1871. It is still intact to this day. This fact was made clear by Supreme Court Justice Marshall Harlan (Downes v. Bidwell, 182, U.S. 244 1901) by giving the following dissenting opinion: “Two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and Independently of that Instrument.”

The Constitution of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION bypasses the original Constitution for the United States of America, which explains why our Congressmen and Senators don’t abide by it, and the President can write Executive Orders to do whatever he/she wants. They are following corporate laws that completely strip sovereigns of their God given unalienable rights. Corporate/Commercial/Public Law is not sovereign (private), as it is an agreement between two or more parties under contract. Common Law (which sovereigns operate under) is not Commercial Law; it is personal and private.

Here is a Timeline of events that lead to the current United States.

•In 1788 (January 1), The United States was officially bankrupt.

•In 1790 (August 4), Article One of the U.S. Statues at Large, pages 138-178, abolished the States of the Republic and created Federal Districts. In the same year, the former States of the Republic reorganized as Corporations and their legislatures wrote new State Constitutions, absent defined boundaries, which they presented to the people of each state for a vote…the new State Constitutions fraudulently made the people “Citizens” of the new Corporate States. A Citizen is also defined as a “corporate fiction.”

•In 1845, Congress passed legislation that would ultimately allow Common Law to be usurped by Admiralty Law. The yellow fringe placed at the bottom of court flags shows this is still true. Before 1845, Americans were considered sovereign individuals who governed themselves under Common Law.

•In 1860 – Congress was adjourned Sine Die – Lincoln could not legally reconvene Congress.

•In 1861, President Lincoln declared a National Emergency and Martial Law, which gave the President unprecedented powers and removed it from the other branches. This has NEVER been reversed.

•In 1863, the Lieber Code was established taking away your property and your rights.

•From 1864-1867, Several Reconstruction Acts were passed forcing the states to ratify the 14th Amendment, which made everyone slaves.

•In 1865, the capital was moved to Washington, D.C., a separate country – not a part of the United States of America.

•In 1871, The United States became a Corporation with a new constitution and a new corporate government, and the original constitutional government was vacated to become dormant, but it was never terminated. The new constitution had to be ratified by the people according to the original constitution, but it never was. The whole process occurred behind closed doors. The people are the source of financing for this new government.

•In 1917, the Trading with the Enemy Act (TWEA) was passed. This insightful video from [link to movielocker.com/4084)] states the following: “This act was implemented to deal with the countries we were at war with during World War I. It gave the President and the Alien Property Custodian the right to seize the assets of the people included in this act and if they wanted to do business in this country they could apply for a license to do so. By 1921, the Federal Reserve Bank (the trustee for the Alien Property Custodian) held over $700,000,000 in trust.” Understand that this trust was based on our assets, not theirs.

•In 1933, 48 Stat 1, of the TWEA was amended to include the United States Person because they wanted to take our gold away. Executive Order 6102 was created to make it illegal for a U.S. Citizen to own gold. In order for the Government to take our gold away and violate our Constitutional rights, we were reclassified as ENEMY COMBATANTS.”

•In 1933, there was a second United States bankruptcy. In the first bankruptcy the United States collateralized all public lands. In the 1933 bankruptcy, the U.S. government collateralized the private lands of the people (a lien) – they borrowed money against our private lands. They were then mortgaged. That is why we pay property taxes.
From a speech in Congress in The Bankruptcy of the United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993, Vol. 33, page H-1303, a Representative addressing the House stated:

“…It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: “The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States…

Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free and clear of any liens of mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913) “Hypothecated” all property within the Federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, in which the Trustees (stockholders) held legal title. The U.S. Citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a “beneficiary” of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the Federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties, assets, and labor of their “subjects,” the 14th Amendment U.S. Citizen to the Federal Reserve System. In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend the federal United States Corporation all of the credit “money substitute” it needed.

Like any debtor, the Federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the Federal United States didn’t have any assets, they assigned the private property of their “economic slaves,” the U.S. Citizens, as collateral against the federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks, forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the international bankers.

Unwittingly, America has returned to its pre-American Revolution feudal roots whereby all land is held by a sovereign and the common people had no rights to hold allodial title to property. Once again, We the People are the tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in the guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. We the People have exchanged one master for another.”

•In 1944, Washington D.C. was deeded to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) by the Breton Woods Agreement. The IMF is made up of wealthy people that own most of the banking industries of the world. It is an organized group of bankers that have taken control of most governments of the world so the bankers run the world. Congress, the IRS, and the President work for the IMF. The IRS is not a U.S. government agency. It is an agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

HOW CAN WE REPAIR OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW?

“The Supreme Court has said the De Jure Government offices still exist but the people have failed to occupy them.

Remember Downs v. Bidwell and the dissenting opinion of Justice Marshall Harlan? He said that two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions. This is one that We the people need to force our elected public officials to occupy – De Jure rule.

We need to change that by organizing Grand Juries and putting our officials back under De jure rule and out of the Corporate (or Military) Rule that they are currently operating under.

Our elected officials will then have to operate under the limits of their Oath of office to uphold the U.S. and State Constitutions, circa 1860. When they violate the Oath it’s a capital crime.

The reason we go back to 1860 is because that is the last time we had lawful laws in this country.

Where do the people get their power to convene a Grand Jury? The Magna Carta, 1215. Our Founding Fathers looked back to history for precedent when they decided they wanted to change their government. What they found was the Magna Carta Liberatum, the Great Charter of Freedoms. It set a precedent that changed the face of England forever, by establishing that the King was not above the law.

King John of England signed the Magna Carta after immense pressure from the Church and his barons (the people). The King often lived above the law, violating both Feudal and Common Law, and was heavily criticized for his foreign policy and actions in England. The Barons, with the support of the Church, pressured King John to spell out a list of their rights and guarantee that those rights would be enforced. The Barons provided a draft, and after some negotiation, King John put his seal to the Magna Carta in Runnymede, in June of 1215.

Section 61 set rules for establishing the Grand Jury. It states: Since we have granted all these things for God, for the better ordering of our kingdom, and to allay the discord that has arisen between us and our barons (people), and since we desire that they shall be enjoyed in their entirety, with lasting strength, forever, we give and grant to the barons the following security: The barons shall elect twenty-five of their number to keep, and cause to be observed with all their might, the peace and liberties granted and confirmed to them by this charter. If we, our chief justice, our officials, or any of our servants offend in any respect against any man, or transgress any of the articles of the peace or of this security, and the offense is made known to four of the said twenty-five barons, they shall come to us.”



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MUST READ! Our Schizoid Country: Common vs. Corporate Law

I just had a discussion with someone who's also looked into the subject of COMMON LAW vs. CORPORATE LAW. It's a complex issue - and a sorry one. "We was robbed!" The conversation was spurred by my forwarding the video of the rural Irish homeowner defended by his neighbors against a sheriff lackey who'd come to evict him. They defended that the action violated their (Common Law) Constitution; the server said he was only following standard operating procedure in place for generations. The PEOPLE said, yeah, well, now that we've been EDUCATED, it's time for that to STOP. (http://www.dailypaul.com/232630/constitution-halts-sheriff)

WE need to become educated as to the same: our Constitution and the distinction between common and corporate law; how things evolved to the current state of affairs; how we're affected; and what needs to be done to restore America to what our founders intended. We need to raise awareness. Forward this info! Thanks so much for the post!

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
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false interpretations and quotations:

Re: Supreme Court Justice Marshall Harlan (Downes v. Bidwell, 182, U.S. 244 1901)

The full quote begins with

The idea prevails with some -- indeed, it found expression in arguments at the bar -- that we have in this country substantially or practically two national governments...

and continues from there. Reading the conversation in full reveals plainly that this was not what he was saying existed, but rather was a misinterpretation. Further, the notion of territorial incorporation in that context is wholly different from the incorporation of a business.

Re: Your "speech in Congress in The Bankruptcy of the United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993, Vol. 33, page H-1303" is widely attributed to James Traficant, but never occurred as you've copied. See:

http://www.dailypaul.com/184445/rep-james-traficant-jr-on-th...

Most of your statements have no connectable citations, and can be taken as no more truthful than the rest of the internet sites that like copying and pasting whatever sounds interesting to them. I would not call this research "extensive".

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Thank you for clarifications

This post, your comments, and my own discussion with someone who's looked into the subject of common law vs. corporate/comm'l/maritime law convince me it's rather complex and filled with ambiguity & technicalities. Some things pointed out were that, for one, not all states are under common law. There's also the issue of whether we were "forced" or not to enter into civil relationships w/the gov't. Also, we're "allowed" to make contracts voluntarily giving up our rights (a grey area); and one could argue that some scenarios cause us to, in effect, be forced to (e.g., "choosing" to have a driver's license). Apparently our S.S. numbers themselves have a bearing on the nature of our legal relationship to gov't. For some of us, RP was the one to enlighten us that such issues even existed. Others know more about such things than me and, I'd say, most. Maybe someone can direct us to good resources, summarized in laymen's terms. If any circumstances would supersede Constitutional rights & obligations, Americans should know.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

"RP was the one to enlighten us that such issues even existed"

This was the main reason I posted the article. If there is some truth to ANY of the things addressed in the article, I'd like to know WHY these things have not been brought up by RP or "legitimate" sources.

Clear as mud

At the time I hit "send" re my initial comment, I hadn't yet read Jon's post. Perhaps I'd have titled the comment differently, although I'm sure of this: this is one confusing subject! After subsequent discussion with the friend referred to, what I'm beginning to learn (I think) is that there are different issues. One has to do with something that happened as of the Civil War, some change re the corporatizing of the country viewed by some as a conspiracy theory of sorts that, technically, wouldn't change anything anyway. Another has to do with rights some claim we have "without" getting gov't approval (e.g., owning and driving a car). And then there is the issue of quasi-governmental organizations - government-owned corporations or enterprises the gov't created to act on its behalf. And I don't know that the Federal Reserve System fits there; but, in any event, Ron Paul feels it's unconstitutional. He has thought, too, on the IRS! How these issues are related (or not) is beyond me.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

If this would get more views and feedback

...it might help clarify which position we are working to get RP elected to...President of the Corporation or the President of the Republic? Are they one in the same? I don't think so but it's still fairly new to me.