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Arizona Convention Live Stream

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I'm in the Delegate Section, hoping to be seated (I'm an Alternate).
Ed in Phoenix
(I'm on the 'Constitutional Conservative' Slate!)
************UPDATE - THE MORNING AFTER********************

Ok, here we go…

As an Alternate Delegate for Arizona Legislative District 15 the first thing I can report to you is that I remained in the ‘Alternate Delegate Section’ of the Convention for fourteen hours without being seated. By the ‘end of the night’, there were only five of the fifteen seats of my LD occupied, but repeated attempts to have me seated by several Delegates were denied. The reason given was that after Credentialing was closed, the set amount of Delegates seated could not rise above that number; in order for Alternates to be seated in the vacated seats, their credentials must be turned in. Of course my LD was stacked from the beginning, and there was no way that they wanted anyone but ‘one of their own’ to vote at all. And I wasn’t alone. Jill Ballard also sat for the duration without being seated (her slot was higher than mine and she would have been seated before me, but that wasn’t happening either).

There is so much info, I have a hard time trying to piece it all together. Let me address the Lamestream Media OUTRIGHT LIE that I saw generated right away, and was picked up by the National feeds, and have been run away with in just a very short time.

MITT ROMNEY’S SON WAS NOT ‘BOOED OFF THE STAGE’. This is a complete fabrication. They crowd did give him some grief because he made the mistake of waving the ‘Unity Slate’ the Romney people were pushing (there’s not supposed to be direct electioneering from the floor), he right away mentioned Ron and was given great applause. The mix-up occurs when the FOLLOWING SPEAKER, a Native-American whose name escapes me for the moment, started calling for everyone to unite under the Romney banner – HE got mercilessly booed to the point he didn’t know what to do, but kept on and was shouted down. Once again the Lamestream Media says something and commenters come out of the woodwork with their armchair opinion of ‘Arizonans’. When are you going to turn that thing off and ASK THE GRASSROOTS what happened?

As for ‘Delegate Count’, I had my slate and kept close attention to any changes sent us. I say this because when we arrived yesterday, after getting Credentialed, we all stood in this loooong line that went out the door to get to the Ron Paul table, just inside the far right-hand door of the hall entrance. Contrast that with a puny 4’x4’ pop-up canopy and a couple of signs and bumper stickers on a table manned by two people (this is all Mitt wanted to pay for I guess). Anyway, when we got to the RP table, our e-mail addresses and cell phone numbers were put into an automated system that text-messaged everyone with any additional information we needed (special instructions and changes to the Slate). In the afternoon, with the Congressional District Caucuses completed, names on our Slate that were elected as Delegates were replaced with others in line. That said, I show eleven Delegates from our Slate elected at the CD level so far: Jill Skayfel, David Guthrie, Richard Gaydosh, John Laurie, Razi Berry, Deb Wells, Patricia Lewis, Gianluca Zanna, Annette Freeman, David Fitzgerald, and Franklin Fiedler. My notes do show a change of substituting Pam Webe (possibly Pam Weber? Text truncated) for Easton Kelsey, but I don’t remember if that was due to his being selected as delegate or not – that is highly possible).

When we were ‘shown the door’ the tallying was not yet complete, and we do not know what the results of the At-Large Delegates or the Alternates yet, and we possibly may never find out. I say this because when the ballots were handed out for these races, it was two pages long. A lot of names. The pages were differentiated by marks on the face the scanners used would recognize. Problem here is, there was nothing on the ballots that would ‘marry’ the two documents in the system! There was no way to tell Delegate #1’s first page of votes from Delegate #2’s second – thereby creating a system allowing any Delegate to make 31 marks on the first page (the maximum number of votes allowed in that round of voting) AND 31 marks on the second page. If the computer can’t tell the difference between Delegate’s pages, it can’t determine an overvote. I believe that due to this error (intentional or not) the results of this round will become null and void.

We’ll see.

While on the subject of ballots, the Delegates were extremely distraught when they got to their CD Caucuses and found out that not only were the ballots not listed in alphabetical order, there was an asterisk next to the names listed first, and a notation at the bottom stating that these Delegates were recognized by the Romney Campaign. This created such a problem that it set back business at least two hours as many of the CD’s demanded that the ballots not be used. Runners had to be sent to Kinkos to print new ballots. By the time it was over, the reason given why some were marked was that supposedly both the Romany and Paul Campaigns were offered to ‘endorse’ (I don’t know if that is the term used by them, but it’s what I perceive) their Delegate preferences on the Ballot Face, but only the Romney Camp took them up on the offer! I can hear it now: “Do you want your people marked? No? Ok, we’ll just mark everybody else then…”

Next, “Robert’s Rules of Order”. The book was waved as a magic wand to create order. That’s about all it was used for. The Chairman was obviously clueless regarding this document, but after many National Conventions and the Continental Congress 2009, where I have had ‘the rules’ used to beat and berate those I stand with to the point that I had to study these rules, I can confidently state that this is not uncommon. Just recently at the Libertarian National Convention, former Chairman Bill Redpath (who has been at it for years) actually promised the Delegation Seated that he would read RROR cover-to-cover in the following year.

Please Mr. Morrisey, I beg you to do the same. If you still hold the Office of Chairman, that is. You see, when the people in charge couldn’t make up their minds as to whether they wanted to declare a quorum (50% + 1 of the Delegates seated) or not, they gave two different interpretations of the rules. At one point, it was stated from the dais that once a quorum was established after Credentialing was closed, the Party could complete all business listed on the Agenda no matter how many Delegates vacated the floor. Then, I guess they decided that was a bad tact, and I saw the Chairman, a former Chairman, and a third individual speaking together, and then the two went around and down off the dais, and went to the front row in front of the podium. One raised his hand and said “Mr. Chairman, I move to adjourn!” which was quickly followed by a second from his cohort, followed by the Chairman ‘proclaiming’ that the Convention was adjourned, and he ran off the stage as quickly as he could. Problem here is, the rules specifically state that adjournment is motioned from the floor, seconded, and voted on by the delegation.

This was not done.

Because this was not done, pandemonium ensued. The Convention was still live. Then, and unnamed individual sprang into action, stepped to the podium, and declared that the Chaiman had abandonded his position (at which point the mike was turned off, and he started shouting to be heard), and entertained motions from the floor to have him removed, and nominations were taken. Matt Papke and LD Chairman David Fitzgerald were both nominated, and nominations were closed, and David Fitzgerald was elected by voice vote. Now all during this action, there were people on the stage actively trying to prevent all this from occurring, but the floor was having none of that. As the New Chairman was starting to speak, three ‘Campus Cops’ from the University came on stage and menacingly approached David, who smartly knew what was happening, and said “Ok, let’s take it to the parking lot” – where we proceeded to as the lights were being shut off.

At this time I wish to point out to the ‘Armchair Brigade’ that it wasn’t ‘the Cops’ and it wasn’t ‘Sheriff Joe’s Goon’s’ sicced on us at the request of the Establishment. When all of this occurred, it was 9 p.m. and the County Officers had left long ago. There was no ‘police presence’ at the City level – we know this because Joe and Bryan (both Delegates and RP Supporters) were physically assaulted on the Delegation Floor earlier that day – but when reported to the County Officers present, we were told that it ‘wasn’t their jurisdiction’ and that Phoenix City Police had to be called in if law enforcement was needed.

Once we were in the parking lot, we proceeded to an area included on the Campus of Grand Canyon College that housed a Church that we had gotten permission from to use their portion of the parking lot for a Ron Paul Hospitality Area (that we had parked a large RV and set up tables with food and drinks). It’s a good this we had this, because the Campus Police tried to chase us off the entire Campus. Not happening. David climbed up on the RV, and spoke candidly to those in attendance. He said that we would be fooling ourselves if we tried to conduct any business there, but we definitely made our presence know, and that we were on track to populate the Republican Party Leadership with American Patriots that believe in and follow the ‘Rule of Law’. There were plenty of videocameras in play, and I’m sure you will see a lot more than I am able to relate here.
Many untold thanks to all who came to our spot in the desert to restore Representation of the PEOPLE instead of the Good-Old-Boy Network that has had a stranglehold on Arizona Politics for far too long.

Let it not be said we did nothing.

Good job.

Ed in Phoenix



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With all the problems AZ has

With all the problems AZ has it seems ridiculous to me there aren't more liberty minded people there. Then again they have voted for John McCain for the past so many decades now and the governor is some kind of circus freak so I shouldn't be so surprised.

Arizona

I lived in AZ for over 10 years before I left. It is safe to say AZ is one of the most ignorant states in the country. Although I watched the stream with every bit of hope for Dr. Paul, I knew it was too good to be true. For years I watched as Arizona laughed in the face of logic; this is no different. Arizona is a state built on misinformation, disorganization, and intolerant ignorance. If the GOP tells them Romney is their guy, they will fight to the death to defend him because: (a) he's a Republican (and thats all that matters) (b) they take everything theyre told as fact (unless its anti-god or pro-mexican) and (c) because he's not that MUSLIM from KENYA who wants to reduce America to a post-apocalyptic pile of rubble (I mean, have yew even heard of this "Hawaii" before Obama claimed to be from there?). The real sad thing is that if AZ was an informed state they would love Dr. Paul, but they're not, so they don't. Their ignorance is their Achilles Heel. If you don't believe me, ask them. 90% will say all of their problems come from Mexicans and Obama, instead of acknowledging the fact that they elected (and re-elected) a governor who doesn't even have a high school diploma. But here's the good news: if us Paulbots can get 25% of the delegates in a state like AZ (i may be wrong, but thats what I've been hearing) then other states will only be easier -- and I'm sure that scares the hell outta romney.

Hawaii is the 50th state in the USA.

FYI

"Freedom is never easy in a world of tyranny" - ME

Sorry am late to the party

So what shenanigans from the Romney camp did I miss this time? Can someone give me a quick review of what's been happening here please? I know there was shenanigans from the Romney camp. Not because I heard or read about it. I know because it's the Romney camp.

I'd really appreciate a quick recap

thx

Can someone give a quick

Can someone give a quick overview of AZ results?

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Cheaters Never Prosper

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If we were outnumbered, why the shennanigans?

It makes no sense to me that the establishment GOP would make their convention an obvious farce unless they were facing defeat otherwise. If they had enough delegates to dominate, they'd be crazy not to follow the rules to a T.

It's because

following the rules to "them" is unthinkable.
They have made the game plan to their suiting and rules are nothing, just like the constitution is nothing to the majority of the congress and senate.

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Was it Adjourned?

If not nobody should have left.

Their choices were leave or

Their choices were leave or be arrested. The cops are in the GOP pocket. Time to realize that. We really ARE in a Mr. Smith goes to Washington moment here and the GOP really IS that thugish. They use lies and intimidation even worse than the DNC does.

Wiped out, but alive

Good to be home, and change clothes.

By my count at this point I believe we have at least eleven Delegates, and the tallies for the last rounds hadn't been made public yet when we left (from them turning out lights and hustling us out the doors). We should have more by the time it's all said and done.

There were so many videos being shot from so many angles I won't try and do it any justice here until I get some sleep, and reflect some on all that has transpired.

It was a good day.

Let it not be said we did nothing.

Ed in Phoenix

Rights are like muscles; you must exercise them to keep them fit, or they will atrophy and die.

Thanks

Thank you for all your work in AZ. I am trying to figure out how many total delegates and alternates were being voted on out of the 29 total. Like is 11 half or less than half? And are most 11 alternates?

Convoluted process

We voted on 58 delegates and 58 alternates yesterday. 18 were voted on in Congressional District Caucuses. So the total I'm hearing for that is 11 of 18 (2 delegates, 9 alternates - I suppose).

The remaining 40 at-large delegates (and alternates) were voted on, but the results were never reported.

Yes, AZ will only seat 29 delegates in Tampa because of the RNC penalty for early Primary, but the full total was voted on in case the penalty is lifted and we are allowed to seat all 58.

The whole process was so confusing I'm not sure how anyone will accept the results of the election.

That does sound like better than expected news

If Arizona managed to grab half the delegates that is much better than what was expected by many.

We are like the mechanism of a watch: each part is essential.

We will see

The only election results that were announced from the podium were the congressional district caucuses, and we only won 2 of 9 there. The remaining 20 at-large delegates were voted on but results were never announced. The at-large alternates, I do not believe, were even counted before the convention was adjourned.

Half seems very optimistic to me, but I'll hope for the best.

I can confirm this. 2 of the

I can confirm this. 2 of the 9 CD slots (22%) were filled by Ron Paul delegates. To win one of those positions, the state delegate had to be the #1 vote getter in that election. Delegates who were the #2 and #3 vote getters won positions as "B Delegates". B Delegates are of the 50% of delegate slots that were eliminated by the RNC as a penalty for moving the AZ primary date up.

The RNC "may" seat the B Delegates at the convention with or without the ability to vote. My question is, do you think they'll seat the B Delegation if it's filled with Paul supporters? Probably not. If it's loaded with Romney delegates, they'll be seated. After all you must reward those good little sycophants for ignoring the fact that Romney isn't conservative.

We got 6 of the 18, B slots. I'm not sure how many are B Delegates and how many are B Alternates but it probably won't matter in the end as they most likely won't be seated.

Hi Ed, Thanks for all you do.

Hi Ed,
Thanks for all you do. Two girls were keeping notes on our wins, one was backstage most of the day where the counting and observing was going on and they came up with 15 Paulites who became delegates. I don't know if that is accurate or not, but they both thought so.

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You are a Patriot. We all are.

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What Happened

Can anyone post a link to an article or video showing what happened? I couldn't find anything via a Google search - thanks.

Collection of video clips INSIDE the convention

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I'm actually REALLY curious

If anyone hasn't mentioned yet WHY the convention was shut down and when and by who were the Sheriffs called? Assuming they were the ones called.

Was it a money thing? A rental agreement thing?

What started law enforcement getting involved in the first place?

Friend to Minarchists, AnCaps, Voluntaryists, Agorists, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Paul Supporters, Free Marketeers, Jeffersonians, Status Quo Buckers, and Ron Paul Fans.

Pax Libertas. Semper Veritas. Semper Res Publica.

Did we have the majority of

Did we have the majority of delegates and if we did not is it because of no-shows or Ron Paul delegates were not elected in the first place to attend the State convention? THANKS to all RP participants!

We have our State covention coming up and it is helpful to hear/watch other conventions

yea, this was their scam...

The Romney delegates began to leave the building. THEY DID NOT PROPERLY CHECK OUT, thus walking out with their credentials. Well, what does this mean? Since they did not check out, and they walked off with their credentials, they refused to seat many of the Ron Paul Alternate Delegates. Ed V. was shut out! Shameful tactic...

...and, I was corrected on the convention floor that we did not need a quorum count because the delegation was never properly adjourned. The GOP Chair improperly adjourned the AZ delegation. In the end, we delivered under very harsh circumstances. Ron Paul 2012!

Wow

Wow

Apparently we were actually outnumbered 2 to 1

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Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

How do you figure? I think we

How do you figure? I think we had them but got beat by the corrupt system. I was above watching it all and the Paulites on the floor looked about even with the Romnoids, or even a little larger. But because we are not cheaters and most of the Paulites are new to this scam, we got beat because the scum at the AZ GOP are VERY skilled at their unethical ways.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Book of mormon picture?

Book of mormon picture?

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

And your point is?

Treg, who was at the Convention, posted that the margin was more like 3 to 1 against us. There are too many people here on DP that are very quick to question motives whenever someone posts something that they disagree with; please don't be one of them.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Play by your own rules

Should we really be so concerned with following the rules? Is that even a winning strategy? I tend to think not.

Things to consider:

  • If you play by the rules, the rules will be changed when it looks like you're winning
  • If you don't play by the rules and you'll be disqualified
  • If you shout because the rules are being broken...you will be labeled a rabble rouser...a rude dude with an attitude
  • And lastly...the media will never give you a fair shake no matter what you do

I for one do not need the approval of these old thugs clawing to hold on to power, or the media whores, or the apathetic dumbed down part of society...all of whom really don't care what an abomination our nation has become.

I see AZ2012 and OK2012 as a HUGE SUCCESS. The emperor continues to be stripped each time a convention is convened in the parking lot.
Technology is empowering people to become the media and the ideas continue to spread like wild fire. You can't stop these ideas because they are righteous.

These wars are wrong and killing hundreds of thousands

The drug war is a racist failure and imprisoning our own fellow Americans by the millions for the profit of private companies

The un-manned drone assassinations that occur every month are the most disgusting type of activity I could ever imagine being a part of...This is my country?

I say bend the rules. Be creative. The world is watching and they need us to deliver to stop this madness. Playing it so safe out of fear the media / establishment will label us loons or rude is a huge mistake that will lead us directly to defeat.

Sorry about the rant but I just can't stand reading some of the pessimistic & negative portrayals of what went on today. This is a day that should be celebrated. Harold is articulate, well spoken and a courageous leader who was THE ONE who made the AZ convention possible. Imagine AZ without Harold and his camera and you would have nothing but business as usual with a major loss for Paul.